Best Neurology Programs

[darkhorse]

What are the Best programs in Neurology?

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[kasimagore1]

partners(harvard), neurological institute (columbia), hopkins, u penn, ucsf in no particular order

 

[Ross_neuro]

I've been on two interviews which have all discussed their programs with others like the top ones. I've spoken to other interviewees who are interviewing at Harvard and what not....they all seem to be more on the academic side whereas some of these "lesser" ones are more clinical. I would rather be at a good place like UMDNJ where they stress clinical research and have those to go on to do fellowships at Mass general than go to Harvard and worry about all the snobs walking around.

That;s just my opinion.

 

[tofurious]

I think it's shortsighted to call the academic programs less clinical. I have rotated through these academic programs and a significant number of cases come from the "more clinical" programs in the northeast as a result of poor initial diagnosis/management. An academic hospital/institution is academic because of the additional effort they put into research, not because they are lacking in clinical training. While many smaller programs pride themselves in clinical training, very often it is just a sales pitch or self-justification.

 

[darkhorse]

Thank you guys for your replies.. I noticed that those programs with have a lot of residents from their respective medical schools are 'in-house' though or neighboring Ivies. Is this just a coincidence?

 

[kasimagore1]

yes and no. Many people want to stay in a region where they felt most comfortable with, hence you would see many people in the midwest tend to go to strong neuro programs in the region despite their excellent credentials that would easily land them at one of the top coastal programs. This is true for people at the northeast....not many new yorkers I know want to move to the midwest. There are indeed lots of "lateral movement" among the residents at these programs. One fellow I know went to college at columbia, med school at penn, residency back to columbia, and now moving to mgh for his fellowship. It is indeed a semi-inbreeding phenomenon. However, for whatever reason, significant of chairpersons were trained at one of these programs. If academic medicine is what you want to do, and you have the aspiration and leadership skill to become a chairperson, you should definitely consider these programs.

 

[panch]

i agree w/ tofurious (cool name by the way).

those of us going to those strongly reputed academic programs do so for a myriad of reasons: i aimed for it because i know that any program that can sport top clinican-reaserchers in the subspecialties will allow me a HUGE spectrum as far as presentation of neurologic disease. at a top medical center like the ones listed (and a number of others) on a daily basis you'll be exposed to patients and problems that many residents will only see once in their training. not only that, but you have an incredible selection of projects to work on w/ the international specialists in each subspecialty.

BUT, the major drawback at many of these program is that your continuity clinic will be skewed towards certain types of patients. the risk is that you will not see the typical "general neurology clinic patient". i haven't started yet, but that's something that i am concerned about. (in this regard, i would suggest looking for a program that has a substantial County/VA hospital presence)

ultimately, you have to look to where you project your career after residency and fellowship. all of these programs are looking to train the future leaders in the field. if that's for you, you're for them.

-p

 

[Megalofyia]

What about for pediatric neurology?

 

[Charlie83]

There are probably 20 great neurology programs in the country. Some of them are listed above but there are some programs less known mainly due to the fact that they do not have medical school. One of them is St. Joseph's Hospital in phoenix. I did not know much about it and started did some digging. The program is actually Barrow Neurological Institute (BNI) but it is listed under St. Joseph's since they merged many years ago. Suprisingly, BNI has a great reputation and every attending has many great things about that program. I did not know but one of our best teaching attendings was trained at BNI. BNI was also ranked in Top 10 consistently over 8 years (probably longer but I only found 5 year worth of the data) and some years, it is ranked higher than UCLA (3 years ago, it was ranked #7 and UCLA #8). Looks like BNI's ranking is going back and forth with UCLA's ranking almost every year. They also have a pretty big residency program with 6 adults and 1 pediatric per year. I was told that residency program with less than 5 per year is the program I should avoid due to many reasons (teaching programs, stability, funding, opportunity, reputation, faculty quality, etc). If anyone know more about Barrow program, I'd love to hear. I think it is definately a porgram that should be looked at for residency program if you are a highly competetitive applicant.

 

[mmmcdowe]

Barrow is a highly respected program. It is, in part because of no university affiliation, considered a little less research oriented than some of the other top programs, but I've heard nothing but great things about the training that you receive there. One recent concern is that apparently several of the physicians that made so reputed for neuro/neurosurg are on their way out of the door into retirement.

 

[Charlie83]

US News and World Report

#1 Johns Hopkins Hospital
Baltimore, MD

#2 Mayo Clinic
Rochester, MN

#3 Massachusetts General Hospital
Boston, MA

#4 New York-Presbyterian University Hospital of Columbia and Cornell
New York, NY

#5 University of California, San Francisco Medical Center
San Francisco, CA

#6 Cleveland Clinic
Cleveland, OH

#7 Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA

#8 St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center
Phoenix, AZ

#9 NYU Langone Medical Center
New York, NY

#10 Barnes-Jewish Hospital/Washington University
Saint Louis, MO

 

[PhakeDoc]

Having interviewed at many of the aforementioned programs, I'd say some don't merit being on that list along with the fact that some other programs currently not on the list should be on it. But hey, that's the way rankings go.

 

[Acherona]

Having interviewed at many of the aforementioned programs, I'd say some don't merit being on that list along with the fact that some other programs currently not on the list should be on it. But hey, that's the way rankings go.

Yea that list is garbage. First of all it combines neurology and neurosurgery departments which is silly.

 

[NeuroDocDO]

Thomas Jefferson University Hospital

 

[Nerdologist]

UCSF, UPenn, Hopkins, Partners, Columbia, Stanford, Mayo-Rochester, WashU, Cornell, BIDMC, UMiami, Emory, Yale, UMich, UWash, UVa, OHSU, UCLA, Duke, Georgetown, UPitt, Vanderbilt, Baylor, Mt. Sinai, UAB, Cleveland Clinic, Northwestern, Rush, UCSD, UNC, UT Southwestern, UCDavis, Thomas Jefferson, UChicago, URochester, USC, Case, UFlorida, UColorado, NYU

 

[medsRus]

UCSF, UPenn, Hopkins, Partners, Columbia, Stanford, Mayo-Rochester, WashU, Cornell, BIDMC, UMiami, Emory, Yale, UMich, UWash, UVa, OHSU, UCLA, Duke, Georgetown, UPitt, Vanderbilt, Baylor, Mt. Sinai, UAB, Cleveland Clinic, Northwestern, Rush, UCSD, UNC, UT Southwestern, UCDavis, Thomas Jefferson, UChicago, URochester, USC, Case, UFlorida, UColorado, NYU

This is a joke of a list. Sure, UCLA, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, UPenn, Partners, Columbia, and some others are great, BUT UCDavis, USC, and Baylor. You really must be joking.

 

[BrianUM]

if I may ask what is wrong with baylor?

I heard that they are dealing with some changes but i was under the impression that it is still a top notch program for neuro

i am interviewing with them later and am interested

 

[bluntdissector]

This is a joke of a list. Sure, UCLA, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, UPenn, Partners, Columbia, and some others are great, BUT UCDavis, USC, and Baylor. You really must be joking.

To be fair, it's a list of 40 programs, not in order, and not all in the same class. Since it contains 30% of programs, the idea was to illustrate which programs are 'towards' the better end. There are no REAL rankings.

 

[ReformNot]

if I may ask what is wrong with baylor?

I heard that they are dealing with some changes but i was under the impression that it is still a top notch program for neuro

i am interviewing with them later and am interested

The problem with Baylor is they accepted this ungrateful, self-hating, and IMG-hating IMG (yes, medsRus is an IMG too but thinks he is better than everybody else). Read this thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=9416266#post9416266

 

[Buddhi]

The problem with Baylor is they accepted this ungrateful, self-hating, and IMG-hating IMG (yes, medsRus is an IMG too but thinks he is better than everybody else). Read this thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=9416266#post9416266

I am applying this year and relatively new to the forum. In scanning through this other thread, it seems the criticism is quite harsh. One action doesn't define a person or an institution. Are there any other incidents or information about Baylor/medsRus? In the absence of other facts, I am willing to give benefit of the doubt to both Baylor and medsRus.

 

[typhoonegator]

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[Charlie83]

Believe it or not, nuerosurgery is important component of neurology training. For example, Barrow neurological institute has highly intergraded program with emphasis on neuroscience. More and more intergration between two specialties is becoming crucial for program quality. Based on my visits so far, programs like Barrow can benefit both neurology and neurosurgery programs

 

[LocusCeruleous]

Ususally they hate each other.