BEST DENTAL SPECIALTY LIFESTYLE

[Tooth_spectator]

Hey tooth-lovers—

I wanted your honest opinion on what dental specialty has the best lifestyle to income ratio out of ENDO, PEDO, ORTHO, and OMFS. This factors in income as a specialist, time with family during specialty training and after, and the foreseeable future of the program.

So let’s hear it!


p.s. I am sure this has been mentioned in other posts but I couldn’t find it.

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[Likkriue]

p.s. I am sure this has been mentioned in other posts but I couldn’t find it.

Go to google and type in “dental specialty lifestyles sdn”. Learning how to do your own research is a critical part of dental school and this is a great opportunity to try it.

You can also substitute in ortho or endo or omfs into my search phrase for even better results.

 

[odontoblaster]

IMO this is the wrong way to approach which specialty you choose. For example, endos have an excellent lifestyle/income gig, but if you do not like Endo, you won't like your job. See what you like, then see if it's feasible for you from a lifestyle standpoint. Also, within one specialty, you can practice wildly different ways. IE an OMS after residency could choose to take call and have a busy schedule, or they could pull thirds four days a week. Chart your own path and own it! You will likely confuse yourself seeking so many opinions.

 

[321931]

Hey tooth-lovers—

I wanted your honest opinion on what dental specialty has the best lifestyle to income ratio out of ENDO, PEDO, ORTHO, and OMFS. This factors in income as a specialist, time with family during specialty training and after, and the foreseeable future of the program.

So let’s hear it!


p.s. I am sure this has been mentioned in other posts but I couldn’t find it.

Every single specialty in dentistry is a good lifestyle/income ratio. That's the beauty of owning your own business. Want to make more money? Open more days, open longer hours.

Want to take a hit on pay but go on vacation more? Then do it. I'm taking a hit on pay this year but I'm taking 5 international trips and taking 5 weeks off this year. Asia, Europe, Whatever.

Life isn't about money. Enjoy the journey.

But as stated, owning your business gives you best lifestyle

 

[BlackThought]

So let’s hear it!

no.

 

[periopocket]

Best dental lifestyle = minimal emergencies/Post-ops = Ortho

 

[2TH MVR]

There's more to it than just money.
1. You need to like the speciality and the procedures associated with it.
2. You need to like the patient population associated with your choice. Young children. Teenagers. Picky adults. Old patients that demand lots of your time.
3. Emergencies. Ortho essentially has no emergencies.
4. Liability. Again .... Ortho seems to have the least liability. Malpractice premiums are low.
5. Stress. No stress in ortho. Everything is reversible. No shots. No crying.
6. Health of patients. Ortho wins this again. Mostly healthy young people.
7. Hard on the body. Ortho wins again.
8. Job outlook. Very good. Private practice better in rural areas. Plenty of Corp jobs in the urban areas. Plenty of pedo and gp offices looking to incorporate orthodontist into their practices.
9. Begging for referrals. Less for pedo and ortho. Oral surgery,endo,perio seem to rely more on referrals.
10. Ease of diagnosis. Ortho. Easy to diagnose crooked teeth

Ortho has the best life style.

 

[shulk]

Multiple offices sounds like it would increase stress though - more commuting, more paperwork, more administrative tasks

 

[321931]

Multiple offices sounds like it would increase stress though - more commuting, more paperwork, more administrative tasks

I’ve thought about multiple offices... and I would rather have one Taj Mahal office then 3-4 offices that equal one Taj Mahal.

Managing people is the hardest thing in dentistry.

 

[charlestweed]

If you are very good at communicating with the GPs and are able to get a lot of referrals from them, then you can pick any specialty and have a good lifestyle. Having a low stress job is not enough, you have to earn good income as well. I don’t subscribe to the “get a job you love” mindset. Your practice has to have enough patients and you have to make enough so you can afford all the things that you enjoy outside of work such as luxury vacations, 5-star hotels, nice cars, nice house etc. It can't be a good lifestyle specialty, when no GP refer patients to you and you don't make enough to pay back the student loans for obtaining that specialty certificate. A lot of my colleagues on the Orthotown forum say that they don't recommend their own kids to pursue ortho. And the reason for them to say that is they don't think orthodontists make good $$$ anymore.

 

[charlestweed]

Multiple offices sounds like it would increase stress though - more commuting, more paperwork, more administrative tasks

If you are good, you can have an extremely busy office in 1 location and don't need to open multiple offices. I am not that good but I want to make a lot of money so I opened 4 offices to reach out to more referring GPs.

Many students and new grad orthos, who came to my offices to shadow, asked me about my strategies for attracting a lot of patients because they saw that I had 50-100 patients on my appointment book. I told them I didn't have any strategy. I actually don't have a lot of patients. The office looks busy because I try to book as many patients in 1 day as possible. My busiest office only has 350 active patients...and I only need to work there 5 days/month. To get 800 active patients, I have to widen the radius and reach out to more referring GPs by opening 3 more offices. And even with 800 active patients, I only need to work 11 days/month. To make more $$$ and to keep myself busy, I work for the corp office the other 11 days in the month.

Some choose in live in rural areas to avoid competition so they can make a lot of money. I choose to live in So Cal and in nice zip code because I want to enjoy the beautiful weather 365 days/year. I want to eat authentic Chinese/Vietnamese/Thai foods anytime I want to and not have to travel to China/Vietnam/Thailand. It's not having a good lifestyle when I have to clear the snow off my driveway every morning. Working more days than my colleagues so I can enjoy all these conveniences is a trade-off I am willing to make.

 

[Tooth_spectator]

Go to google and type in “dental specialty lifestyles sdn”. Learning how to do your own research is a critical part of dental school and this is a great opportunity to try it.

You can also substitute in ortho or endo or omfs into my search phrase for even better results.

Like I said before, I tried searching this. However, a lot of the posts that came up had to deal with students who were trying to decide between medicine and dental. I am not facing that decision. I have a passion for dental. I merely wanted to have the input of which specialty would have the best lifestyle during residency and the longevity of the specialty. So if you would like to give your input on the question I asked that would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Tooth_spectator]

If you are good, you can have an extremely busy office in 1 location and don't need to open multiple offices. I am not that good but I want to make a lot of money so I opened 4 offices to reach out to more referring GPs.

Many students and new grad orthos, who came to my offices to shadow, asked me about my strategies for attracting a lot of patients because they saw that I had 50-100 patients on my appointment book. I told them I didn't have any strategy. I actually don't have a lot of patients. The office looks busy because I try to book as many patients in 1 day as possible. My busiest office only has 350 active patients...and I only need to work there 5 days/month. To get 800 active patients, I have to widen the radius and reach out to more referring GPs by opening 3 more offices. And even with 800 active patients, I only need to work 11 days/month. To make more $$$ and to keep myself busy, I work for the corp office the other 11 days in the month.

Some choose in live in rural areas to avoid competition so they can make a lot of money. I choose to live in So Cal and in nice zip code because I want to enjoy the beautiful weather 365 days/year. I want to eat authentic Chinese/Vietnamese/Thai foods anytime I want to and not have to travel to China/Vietnam/Thailand. It's not having a good lifestyle when I have to clear the snow off my driveway every morning. Working more days than my colleagues so I can enjoy all these conveniences is a trade-off I am willing to make.

How do you feel about the future of ortho?

 

[Likkriue]

Like I said before, I tried searching this. However, a lot of the posts that came up had to deal with students who were trying to decide between medicine and dental. I am not facing that decision. I have a passion for dental. I merely wanted to have the input of which specialty would have the best lifestyle during residency and the longevity of the specialty. So if you would like to give your input on the question I asked that would be greatly appreciated.

OMFS vs. ENDO

Orthodontist for 40 years-Ask Me Anything

This took all of 2 seconds using my search terms and the majority of the search options that came up had nothing to do with medical vs dental.

 

[charlestweed]

How do you feel about the future of ortho?

The future can’t be good when there are more new ortho programs that pump out more new orthodontists every year. It’s not just ortho. General dentists, pedo, endo, OS, perio also face oversaturation problem as well. There are also more new dental schools that were opened in the last 10 years as well. When the general dentists face more competitions, in order to survive, they start taking the risks to perform more difficult procedures by themselves and refer fewer cases to the specialists. Endo and Prosth try to expand their scope by learning to place implants. OS’s start to learn to do apicoectomy and gingival grafts. Some perios and GPs start taking out 3rd molars under IV sedation. Medicine, optometry, and pharmacy also face similar problem as well. In CA, there were only 3 pharmacy schools when I was in college and now, there are almost 20 pharmacy schools. Despite all these, I still recommend my kids to pursue a career in healthcare because there is really no better alternative option out there.

 

[BlackThought]

OS’s start to learn to do apicoectomy and gingival grafts.

No.

 

[Adlogin]

Yes

 

[jackwills]

Despite all these, I still recommend my kids to pursue a career in healthcare because there is really no better alternative option out there.

I don’t know. CS seems pretty sweet gig. No grad school loan/time and come out making 200k a year salary plus benefits and stock. Heck, even the social sciences major who did a 6mo boot camp are working for google/facebook and making more than the typical fresh dentist.

Yes, there was a .com burst, and CS was on the street holding signs “will code for food”, but that bobble healed and now they are retiring with 3mil in the bank / cash out on their company stocks.

*above examples are from family and friends I know personally. Small sample size. I love what I do and I am good at what I do. I am paid well at my current gig, but you bet there are days I wish I had gone to med school or went into CS. Even ROAD specialities are no longer as competitive as it once was, even a mid-range med school student can match into anesthesia and radiology; 4 years residency and avg 400k guaranteed salary + 8 week PTO. It sure seems a lot better than taking loan for dental specialties and make only 250k.

 

[desertrat12]

is not nearly as bright

I don’t know. CS seems pretty sweet gig. No grad school loan/time and come out making 200k a year salary plus benefits and stock. Heck, even the social sciences major who did a 6mo boot camp are working for google/facebook and making more than the typical fresh dentist.

Yes, there was a .com burst, and CS was on the street holding signs “will code for food”, but that bobble healed and now they are retiring with 3mil in the bank / cash out on their company stocks.

*above examples are from family and friends I know personally. Small sample size. I love what I do and I am good at what I do. I am paid well at my current gig, but you bet there are days I wish I had gone to med school or went into CS. Even ROAD specialities are no longer as competitive as it once was, even a mid-range med school student can match into anesthesia and radiology; 4 years residency and avg 400k guaranteed salary + 8 week PTO. It sure seems a lot better than taking loan for dental specialties and make only 250k.

I agree that CS is an excellent career choice. I also have family in it and I can't believe the perks of their jobs given only a 4 year degree. During my undergrad I never even considered CS. I semi regret not being exposed to it more, perhaps I would have persued it. Medicine is also a great way to go. I'll disagree, however, that in a dental specialty you are stuck at 250k. Choosing the right field, and certainly the right location, can yield much more than 250k salary. The problem, as you've mentioned, is the tuition that accompanies many specialty residencies. Of course we have an increase in saturation, a growth of corportate, etc, but the nuts and bolts of it is debt. And the debt we dentists incur is our biggest obstacle to financial success. There is still money to be made, but depending on the debt level and the interest rate many students can wind up with a simple math problem that puts them far behind...

Also...something to consider are the trades. Graduating high school at 17/18, going straight to a trade school for a higher paying trade then apprenticing after graduation for a time can land you a great job with good pay. And you get the benefits of "working with your hands".

 

[charlestweed]

I don’t know. CS seems pretty sweet gig. No grad school loan/time and come out making 200k a year salary plus benefits and stock. Heck, even the social sciences major who did a 6mo boot camp are working for google/facebook and making more than the typical fresh dentist.

Yes, there was a .com burst, and CS was on the street holding signs “will code for food”, but that bobble healed and now they are retiring with 3mil in the bank / cash out on their company stocks.

*above examples are from family and friends I know personally. Small sample size. I love what I do and I am good at what I do. I am paid well at my current gig, but you bet there are days I wish I had gone to med school or went into CS. Even ROAD specialities are no longer as competitive as it once was, even a mid-range med school student can match into anesthesia and radiology; 4 years residency and avg 400k guaranteed salary + 8 week PTO. It sure seems a lot better than taking loan for dental specialties and make only 250k.

To earn that kind of salary, you have to have experience and continue to work hard to update your knowledge. The starting salary for a CS new grad is much less than that. Many can't find good paying jobs because there are already too many of them out there. My friend who has a CS degree didn't even work for a day. As soon as he graduated, he took a couple of prerequisite classes and applied to dental schools. Many people with social science degrees have to get jobs that are totally unrelated to what they studied in schools. Many had to move back to live with their parents after graduations because they couldn't find good paying jobs to even support themselves.

 

[321931]

I don’t know. CS seems pretty sweet gig. No grad school loan/time and come out making 200k a year salary plus benefits and stock. Heck, even the social sciences major who did a 6mo boot camp are working for google/facebook and making more than the typical fresh dentist.

Yes, there was a .com burst, and CS was on the street holding signs “will code for food”, but that bobble healed and now they are retiring with 3mil in the bank / cash out on their company stocks.

*above examples are from family and friends I know personally. Small sample size. I love what I do and I am good at what I do. I am paid well at my current gig, but you bet there are days I wish I had gone to med school or went into CS. Even ROAD specialities are no longer as competitive as it once was, even a mid-range med school student can match into anesthesia and radiology; 4 years residency and avg 400k guaranteed salary + 8 week PTO. It sure seems a lot better than taking loan for dental specialties and make only 250k.

The only benefit to healthcare is that you "technically" will always have a job (who doesn't need a dentist/healthcare provider), is "recession" proof, can be your own boss- work 4 days a week sorta deal and you can work this gig til you are in the 60-70s.

There is no benefit of actual money in this gig. If you count the opportunity cost, debt, and then the other things like increasing amount of new grads, insurance pressure, lowered reimbursement, and corporate encroachment...you will see that the golden days of dentistry is gone.

My brother in law works for the top tech firms you see in the news. Graduated at 22, makes 200k+ at 25, paid off his minimal 50k debt, has been maxing out his 401k and investments since 22, and he is granted his stock in two more years which would put his net worth up to 1 million dollars.

Compare that to an average dentist graduating at 27-28 with big debt.

He works 5-6 days a week when the going is hard (projects due), and when its cruising time he plays ping pong in the lunch room and goes on 4-6 weeks PTO that is unlimited- as long as work is done. He took off the entire december went back to his in laws house and then to china for a straight month.

My other sister in law works for the gov and makes a solid 80k, minimal debt 50k, clocks in and out 8-5 and has a pension/401k/gov benefits. Gov benefits is legit btw. She has a stable gig with minimal stress.

Dentistry is stressful. Debt is stressful. The job is GREAT when you have GREAT office staff/culture and money. My practice is doing great and I love it. But if you don't have that on your side, working in some crappy associateship, and or your practice sucks, then dentistry sucks.

Bottom line, there is no money in dentistry anymore unless you land a great practice...so better hope luck is on your side.

 

[2TH MVR]

Geez. This thread is getting depressing to follow. I'm with CTweed. I would still recommend dentistry and medicine above other occupations.

 

[jackwills]

I appreciate CTweed and 2TH MVR contributing to all these discussions on SDN lately. You have been in practice for a long time and seen a lot of ups and downs.

I’m a fairly fresh grad with minimal experience, so I can only share what dentistry has been for me and my classmates/residents.

My ortho fresh grad friends have been struggling to find more than 2 days a week of work. A couple of them on the east coast has been doing 2 days ortho 4 days GP work to pay the bills. They can’t just move to the south/Midwest where the job climates is more friendly due to family obligations. They tell me that established ortho offices are struggling. The owner doesn’t have enough patients to feed associates; owner closes shop and does ortho days at GP offices to survive.

My pedo-fresh friends are killing it all across the country.

The fresh endo friends complain that endo is hard because they are doing mostly hard cases/re-treats because GP are struggling and over-challenge themselves. The cases that end up in Endo office are the ones that even give Endodontists headaches.

The fresh perio seem to have a hard time getting full time (5days/wk) work.

Fresh OS are killing it big time, especially with the bread and butter sedation/T&T works. The ones that take calls are paid a daily minimum for each call day (pretty sweet when they are in community hospital with low call volume). The handful fresh OS that I know tell me that they are bringing home 1mil first year out. The OS at my office bills out 20k a day.

Dental anesthesia/physician anesthesiologists are tapping into the in-office GA world. My anesthesia friend tells me that in their (very big name) teaching hospital, they lost 2 MD anesthesia attendings to the lucrative dental out-patient world.

GP fresh friends range from $400-$1000 a day depending on their setup and office. Some are happy and some are really struggling. I went to a public school and am quite happy with the income:loan. My private school 400k debt friends are not as happy. They autopay the first $3000 of every check to loan.

These are examples of my colleagues around me. They by no means represent their whole specialty/specialty pay.

 

[321931]

I appreciate CTweed and 2TH MVR contributing to all these discussions on SDN lately. You have been in practice for a long time and seen a lot of ups and downs.

I’m a fairly fresh grad with minimal experience, so I can only share what dentistry has been for me and my classmates/residents.

My ortho fresh grad friends have been struggling to find more than 2 days a week of work. A couple of them on the east coast has been doing 2 days ortho 4 days GP work to pay the bills. They can’t just move to the south/Midwest where the job climates is more friendly due to family obligations. They tell me that established ortho offices are struggling. The owner doesn’t have enough patients to feed associates; owner closes shop and does ortho days at GP offices to survive.

My pedo-fresh friends are killing it all across the country.

The fresh endo friends complain that endo is hard because they are doing mostly hard cases/re-treats because GP are struggling and over-challenge themselves. The cases that end up in Endo office are the ones that even give Endodontists headaches.

The fresh perio seem to have a hard time getting full time (5days/wk) work.

Fresh OS are killing it big time, especially with the bread and butter sedation/T&T works. The ones that take calls are paid a daily minimum for each call day (pretty sweet when they are in community hospital with low call volume). The handful fresh OS that I know tell me that they are bringing home 1mil first year out. The OS at my office bills out 20k a day.

Dental anesthesia/physician anesthesiologists are tapping into the in-office GA world. My anesthesia friend tells me that in their (very big name) teaching hospital, they lost 2 MD anesthesia attendings to the lucrative dental out-patient world.

GP fresh friends range from $400-$1000 a day depending on their setup and office. Some are happy and some are really struggling. I went to a public school and am quite happy with the income:loan. My private school 400k debt friends are not as happy. They autopay the first $3000 of every check to loan.

These are examples of my colleagues around me. They by no means represent their whole specialty/specialty pay.

The only way out of the hole is by going 300-500k into more debt into a no-cash flow practice, work hard for a few years trying to build it up and break even/start making money, or go bust and start over in mid life being more and more in debt.

Or

Buy a great practice going 500-1 mil into debt into a solid cash flow practice that can pay off your loans in 5-10 years with good money management, working hard, and eventually settling into this wonderful field.

Save every penny you can, work hard while you can and enjoy the journey. Try to become financially free at a young age. Pay off the loans, live below your means, save save save. Dentistry is changing- and not for the better. Lower reimbursement rates on the horizon, more new grads on the horizon, more corporate on the horizon. It's a low stress job when the going is good, but always look towards the long term goal and plan for the future. You have to be blind if you cant see where this train is going.

 

[odontoblaster]

I appreciate CTweed and 2TH MVR contributing to all these discussions on SDN lately. You have been in practice for a long time and seen a lot of ups and downs.

I’m a fairly fresh grad with minimal experience, so I can only share what dentistry has been for me and my classmates/residents.

My ortho fresh grad friends have been struggling to find more than 2 days a week of work. A couple of them on the east coast has been doing 2 days ortho 4 days GP work to pay the bills. They can’t just move to the south/Midwest where the job climates is more friendly due to family obligations. They tell me that established ortho offices are struggling. The owner doesn’t have enough patients to feed associates; owner closes shop and does ortho days at GP offices to survive.

My pedo-fresh friends are killing it all across the country.

The fresh endo friends complain that endo is hard because they are doing mostly hard cases/re-treats because GP are struggling and over-challenge themselves. The cases that end up in Endo office are the ones that even give Endodontists headaches.

The fresh perio seem to have a hard time getting full time (5days/wk) work.

Fresh OS are killing it big time, especially with the bread and butter sedation/T&T works. The ones that take calls are paid a daily minimum for each call day (pretty sweet when they are in community hospital with low call volume). The handful fresh OS that I know tell me that they are bringing home 1mil first year out. The OS at my office bills out 20k a day.

Dental anesthesia/physician anesthesiologists are tapping into the in-office GA world. My anesthesia friend tells me that in their (very big name) teaching hospital, they lost 2 MD anesthesia attendings to the lucrative dental out-patient world.

GP fresh friends range from $400-$1000 a day depending on their setup and office. Some are happy and some are really struggling. I went to a public school and am quite happy with the income:loan. My private school 400k debt friends are not as happy. They autopay the first $3000 of every check to loan.

These are examples of my colleagues around me. They by no means represent their whole specialty/specialty pay.

Where in the country are your OS friends working?

 

[jackwills]

Where in the country are your OS friends working?

NC, IN, TX, CA central coast, OR

 

[charlestweed]

Just because a specialist doesn't work 5 days/week, it doesn't mean he/she is struggling. Most specialists don't have enough patients to work 5 days/week either because they are too fast that they can see a lot of patients in one day and only need to work a few days in a month or because the GPs in the area don't refer enough patients to them. Most specialists I know travel to multiple offices.

An ortho can see 60-100 patients a day. With 2 days/week, he/she can see up to 500-700 patients. And if he/she travels to more offices, he/she can see 1000+ patients every month. If you drive by one of my offices, you probably think it's a struggling office with a "closed" sign on most of the time. That's because I only work there 5 days/month.

If the GP office saves enough patients for an in-house periodontist to place 3-4 implants, 1-2 crown lenghtenings, 1-2 connective tissue graft surgeries in a day, that periodontist can easily produce more than what an average GP can in a week.

 

[desertrat12]

Just because a specialist doesn't work 5 days/week, it doesn't mean he/she is struggling. Most specialists don't have enough patients to work 5 days/week either because they are too fast that they can see a lot of patients in one day and only need to work a few days in a month or because the GPs in the area don't refer enough patients to them. Most specialists I know travel to multiple offices.

An ortho can see 60-100 patients a day. With 2 days/week, he/she can see up 500-700 patients. And if he/she travels to more offices, he/she can see 1000+ patients every month. If you drive by one of my offices, you probably think it's a struggling office with a "closed" sign on most of the time. That's because I only work there 5 days/month.

If the GP office saves enough patients for an in-house periodontist to place 3-4 implants, 1-2 crown lenghtenings, 1-2 connective tissue graft surgeries in a day, that periodontist can easily produce more than what an average GP can in a week.

One of the more frequent "sad" stories I hear is people saying perios are having a hard time finding full time (5 days a week) work. As if the measure of success is in acquiring a full 5 days. In your experience at your corporate, how are the perios doing?

 

[321931]

One of the more frequent "sad" stories I hear is people saying perios are having a hard time finding full time (5 days a week) work. As if the measure of success is in acquiring a full 5 days. In your experience at your corporate, how are the perios doing?

The post is asking "what is the best "lifestyle"." I've worked in corporate clinics where there is a traveling specialist. They travel all over the area. They spend time on the road going up and down the highways and into far out clinics. Some travel more then others, but the fact is their commute can be brutal. I had one periodontist who would come once every two weeks. When he came up, he would stay in a hotel the day before, and then leave the day after.

He made decent production...but the bottom line that you are asking is "what is the best lifestyle?" Is commuting hundreds of miles and hours in a prius comfortable? Is spending time away from family the best? Is going to podunk town to produce dental work the best specialty lifestyle? And yes, some of his days were crazy good. We talking 20k production.

My answer is no. It's called owning your own practice that will give you the "best" lifestyle. Having a place where you call the shots, and if you want to leave early, there isn't a manager or your owner doctor telling you "no." Today, I am working 7-3 with lunch from 12-1. Total production for the day with 2 hygiene is 10k. Technically I am open 7-5 today, but the rest of the day, from 3 onwards I don't have any work to do aside hygiene checks. Taking off 5 weeks this year and going to Taiwan, Italy, Singapore, Canada, and we haven't planned the last trip. That's freedom. Good luck taking that much time off in a busy clinic where they want you producing.

Anyways, I'm going to run in at 3- do a hygiene check- and go home early where I live 5 min away, make dinner for the wife, go to the gym, and then play apex legends.

So what is the best lifestyle? Any position in ownership because you call the shots- and that's why dentistry is awesome. Because you can run your own business with a high success rate.

 

[charlestweed]

One of the more frequent "sad" stories I hear is people saying perios are having a hard time finding full time (5 days a week) work. As if the measure of success is in acquiring a full 5 days. In your experience at your corporate, how are the perios doing?

My wife's former co-resident used to fly to Las Vegas once a month to place implants for the GPs there. It used to be very difficult to obtain the dental license in Vegas and dentists/specialists used to make a lot money there. My wife's co-resident problaby made more working a few days in Vegas than what my wife made in a month here in CA. He later bought an existing perio practice in San Diego. He has a mansion with a tennis court in Rancho Santa Fe, one of the most expensive zip codes in San Diego. He drives a Porsche Panamera. His wife is a general dentists but she stays home full time to take care of their 2 kids.

Staying in a hotel is still way better than working as a doctor and having to sleep in a Hospital.

 

[DDS9994]

My wife's former co-resident used to fly to Las Vegas once a month to place implants for the GPs there. It used to be very difficult to obtain the dental license in Vegas and dentists/specialists used to make a lot money there. My wife's co-resident problaby made more working a few days in Vegas than what my wife made in a month here in CA. He later bought an existing perio practice in San Diego. He has a mansion with a tennis court in Rancho Santa Fe, one of the most expensive zip codes in San Diego. He drives a Porsche Panamera. His wife is a general dentists but she stays home full time to take care of their 2 kids.

Staying in a hotel is still way better than working as a doctor and having to sleep in a Hospital.

For the new grads always keep in mind that dentist and doctors along with financial advisors can be some of the biggest posers out there. Living in an expensive zip code and driving a high end German car don't mean as much as as people think in terms of financial stability.

 

[charlestweed]

For the new grads always keep in mind that dentist and doctors along with financial advisors can be some of the biggest posers out there. Living in an expensive zip code and driving a high end German car don't mean as much as as people think in terms of financial stability.

I don't usually ask my friends how much they make. I don't even know how much my own sister, who is a GP, and my younger brother, who is a GI doc, make. So I can only judge people's incomes based on the things that they own and the lifestyle that they have. I only know how much I make and I think I am doing very well financially. But with my current income, I don't think I would be qualified for a loan to purchase the property that my periodontist friend currently has.

 

[Tooth_spectator]

OMFS vs. ENDO

Orthodontist for 40 years-Ask Me Anything

This took all of 2 seconds using my search terms and the majority of the search options that came up had nothing to do with medical vs dental.

If you read the thread as I just did, it was a lot of “ you don’t know anything, you are a D1.” Also this thread narrows in on only 2 specialties OMFS vs endo. I was asking about all specialties. Thanks for your reply. Any helpful insight into the question asked would be appreciated.

 

[Tooth_spectator]

I don't usually ask my friends how much they make. I don't even know how much my own sister, who is a GP, and my younger brother, who is a GI doc, make. So I can only judge people's incomes based on the things that they own and the lifestyle that they have. I only know how much I make and I think I am doing very well financially. But with my current income, I don't think I would be qualified for a loan to purchase the property that my periodontist friend currently has.

What area of dentistry are you practicing in?

 

[Tooth_spectator]

As Dr. Goodman says, JBN, just be nice. Let’s help one another out and offer sound, helpful advice. @charlestweed has offered a lot of great input on here! Kudos!

 

[Likkriue]

There were several orthodontists who posted in here that also posted in the orthodontist thread that you conveniently left out. What’s the difference between a specialist posting the same stuff here as they have in multiple other threads.

Also charlestweed is a orthodontist. You can also google his name and sdn and find lots of gems of his he has previously posted. I’m not trying to be mean, just saying you are missing out on a lot of good posts if you don’t google things.