They are ignorant on the details (e.g. steps of tissue processing, TAT, various testing options), but they know who to call if someone has a mass, and they need a definitive diagnosis. I am talking about our non-pathology colleagues in general, including recent American medical school graduates.
Why haven't you taken it? Is living near Canadian border a bad thing?
It's unfortunate that path is like that. PGY2 residents I am friend with in my program are getting these offers weekly... One PGY3 in my program signed a contract for 450k/yr (18 shifts/month nocturnist), 25k sign on bonus + quality improvement (whatever that means) bonus monthly.
But who wants to be a nocturnist? It is bad for your health.
Got it, I have misinterpreted your statement.
Well, someone has to do it...
Yeah, but that's not an easy job, even for 450k. I know of one recent pathology fellowship graduate who got 450k straight after fellowship in a desirable location. So, people do get those high-paying jobs in pathology as well, but it is rare.
18 shifts a month as a nocturnist sounds so painful to me. Noooooo thank you. I don’t even think I could make it past one year.
The 450k is a general hospital-based position with a very high volume. The area is desirable, but the cost of living is also pretty high. The lowest offer I have personally heard of this year was 210k in a corporate lab.
I have always liked histology. I was drawn to taking the pathology electives to see what else there was. In the first elective, I got hands on experience grossing and helping prep frozens. I also got to present a case to the department and help refresh them on how to read a CT and aspects of the clinical history not often discussed in the department. In the second, I observed/very lightly assisted with autopsies, more grossing, and was given a fly through of the various parts of the pathology department. It was all very engaging and the kind of work I would enjoy.
Thank you. I don't recall the starting packages. I was mostly just concerned with my options for where to live/work and being able to start straight out of residency. I am an older student and want to get started as soon as I can. Since both pay much more than I would ever need(not a big spender except on cookware and items for other food prep) I was not too concerned with the salaries.
Thank you. I believe so too. I will definitely miss the things I got to do in pathology, but at a minimum the pathologists I send specimens to will not be getting tiny, nearly useless specimens. I also have a better appreciation for their work and building a good rapport with the people I will send specimens to.
IM outpatient salary is just like FM (not very well compensated), but hospitalists are doing well. The market is extremely good right now and If an employer is not prepared to offer 250k+ with all the benefits, you will have a hard time getting IM physicians on board. I don't know any PGY3 in my program that got less than 250K for 7 days on/off. The ones who signed nocturnist contracts got 300k+
So you don’t think Examing the data ABP has with MOC/cc would be helpful. It is right there: % path employed, % path employed part time, % paths leaving US to work elsewhere, # fellowships/ diplomate.
And those doing the study and crunching the numbers ARE COMPLETELY UNBIASED ,i'm sure.
). While I'll give him credit for recognizing there's a serious problem, he's either in total denial or completely ignorant of why pathology is unattractive. You can bring a horse to water, but you'll never get them to drink if the water is fetid. Low starting salary and limited geographic choice are almost universal deal breakers. Either the starting salaries are going to have to double so that you really won't care where you live until you find a place that you want to be or job openings are going to have to open up much more frequently and be much more accessible to new graduates. Since neither are likely to happen under the current leadership (although I think the first option is easier to do than the second), they're going to continue to bark up the wrong tree. Medical students don't care about "jobs". They want "careers" with as much control over as they can have in terms of salary and place. Pathology offers neither presently.
I sat through the entire presentation and I seriously hope this isn't a recent presentation (edit: is just noticed it's from this year
I'm a partnership tracked pathologist making good money at this point, so I have nothing to personally gain from saying any of this. Yaah, whether you agree with any of this or not if you have someone's ear in these committees please make them understand that. It's like I tell all the vendors who show up at my door: I don't care if you think you have a good product, it only matters if I think you have a good product. And I'm annoyed deeply to see obliviously wasted effort spent chasing down red herrings when all they need to do is pull in a couple of successfully matched derm, ortho, anesthesia, and radiology med students (the target demographic they appear to be chasing) into a room and talk to them. These students will be honest because they have nothing to lose by saying what's on their mind and CAP will learn more in 20 minutes than the months it takes them to aggregate the data in a vacuum.
I think this is a great idea/thought. It is always worth talking to the people who "considered it, but passed" - kind of like an exit interview.
I sat through the entire presentation and I seriously hope this isn't a recent presentation (edit: is just noticed it's from this year
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Why doesn't diagnostic radiology have issues recruiting good AMGs? I think everything has a price, and every specialty has its advantages and disadvantages; if compensation/lifestyle is good, medical students will do it. If FM paid 600k, I would have chosen it over pathology with minimal reservations.
I trained at a pretty solid program (not top 10 whatever that means) but pretty solid. I am doing a pretty competitive fellowship at a good program. Job search was still difficult. There were not that many jobs to even apply for unless you want to go into academics.
Exactly, you did an instructorship to get work experience. We are talking about job search straight after fellowship without experience. I have heard from multiple practicing pathologists that they regularly get unsolicited job offers weekly, so it is not unusual.
I said it was not typical, but you can't dismiss it. Either I had a lot of offers when I left, or the instructorship is the first job, and it was secured during residency and was guaranteed.
Were you paid as a fellow during your instructorship? I also qualified my statement that there are not that many jobs unless you want to go into academics.
No, I was paid as an instructor, and the salary was somewhere between fellow and Asst. Professor. I agree that it is for those who want to go into academics- that was my intent (until it was not). I actually did very little service work and focused almost entirely on research.
