2009 Match Results Disappointing

[bananamed]

You're right Blue.
I could switch into a specialty any time that I want to currently, but why would I want to do something for the rest of my life that I would not enjoy? The money is not at all whatsoever significantly different. Hospitalist medicine is amazing. The challenges, lifestyle are next to unbeatable in my opinion.
Family Medicine outpatient is fun also.

You shuld take ur act on the road. Touting lifestyle/money/and FM in the same sentence

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[andwhat]

You shuld take ur act on the road. Touting lifestyle/money/and FM in the same sentence

I am sorry that you did not understand.
I am not 'touting' anything.
Several have gone into IM / FM / Peds and later on changed their minds, and transferred into specialties -- ex. Ortho, Gen Surg, Dermatology, Opthalmology, Radiology. (and vice versa) This is on the basis of personal preference, or geographical preferences even at times, and not hate for the specialty that they started with (usually).
This is not the norm -- but what I am pointing out to you -- is that it is not quite as difficult usually to attain a specialty, once you are in the system.
This is my point.
If my specialty was so horrible, I would be working hard to attain another specialty at this very moment -- and not encouraging others to do Primary Care.
In fact, I am not encouraging others to go for Primary Care -- you should strive for what you think that you would be best at, and could see yourself doing for the rest of you're life.
Fact is, I wouldn't want to do anything different career wise.
I have struggled with this at times -- my job is hard, but at the same time very very rewarding -- overall, lifestyle wise and financially. The big picture is what I should look at.
I have a feeling, based upon you're response, flaming is the way to go. Hey that is you're personal preference.
Hence, my 'act' and 'show'!!!!!!!
Rampant trolls man. Post something worthwhile, with substinence and examples -- meaningful, and explanation, or do not post.
Reality here doesn't work that way.
Its free for all, insane
Soooo lifestyle, Money FM.
Ok my lifestyle -- here we go -- ready? Take notes.

2 weeks off per month, 15-18 shifts per month, 8-12 hour workdays, sometimes done at 1 p.m. because I am on 'supervision' shifts which end early -- rest of the day is free to do whatever, just answering occasional pages from home or the gym. I round on maybe 14-19 patients per day. On admitting days, I round on 10, and admit maybe 6-9. I have N.P.s, and P.A.s, Residents working for me, and seeing consults and patients. (I work for, and with them also)
Over $200 K (not allowed to go into specifics) in salary yearly, plus RVUs, bonus incentives, benefits, some into retirement, even more straight salary if I actually chose to do more work. Nooooooo I am not an outlier ;-))
Some of my partners work two to three weeks straight, take close to a month off (two weeks from the consecutive month) work two to three weeks straight, another month off.
By the way, how come some doctors are just 'filthy' rich? Because of investments, businesses, land and business ownerships, and connections... just a side not there sorry.
We earn as much, or more, as the Neurologists, Intensivists, Infectious Disease, etc..
Some work the dreaded 36 hour shifts, and make significantly more than I do.
0-4 nights per month -- we are talking 12 hour shifts -- just admit, answer occasional phone calls from the floors, fax the sign out to the day shift, and you are done. Yes there are at times unstable patients -- but this is not the norm.
If the truth is 'touting' sorry to hear that you are offended by that.
Anybody that thinks that my lifestyle is 'miserable' desperately needs a reality check. I cannot think of a sweeter gig honestly.
Drawbacks? Being nice to E.D. Physicians at times, that do not give the greatest sign out because they are 'busy'. You are on call (admitting shifts) some days out of the month, and call can be challenging -- but not impossible. When you are done, you are done -- turn you're pager off, and go on with you're life. Bad shifts happen at times, it is a part of the game. Good shifts significantly outnumber the bad ones fortunately however. Unlimited Ancillary services at you're disposal -- virtually every and any specialty, any test you can think of, L.P.s fluoroscopically guided, U.S. guided Thoracentesis, etc...
Yes I am "FM" -- and that is my lifestyle/Money/FM 'bananamed' proclaimed tout.
Why is the match rate lower in FM and IM?? I do not know, and really do not care. I finished residency, and am working, why should it concern me?
Now it is you're turn Bananamed, tell me why my gig is proclaimed as good, and tell me why I should take my act on the road.
Give me specifics.
I am waiting.......................
Why am I an 'outlier'?
If you give me good enough reason as to why FM is bad, I will 'take my act to the road' as you state.....
Anddd of course, I am proclaimed also as an "outlier" so here is an article to chew on also

http://www.acphospitalist.org/archives/2008/05/itn.htm

now in another breath, somebody will now accuse me of 'showing off' about msyelf. Its a lose lose opportunity here, but as long as the facts are straight, that is all that matters.

 

[KurosawaRhap]

Several have gone into IM / FM / Peds and later on changed their minds, and transferred into specialties -- ex. Ortho, Gen Surg, Dermatology, Opthalmology, Radiology. (and vice versa) This is on the basis of personal preference, or geographical preferences even at times, and not hate for the specialty that they started with (usually).
This is not the norm -- but what I am pointing out to you -- is that it is not difficult to attain a specialty, once you are in the system.

Are you really an attending? It is not the norm and it is not that easy. You don't switch from FM to Ortho/Derm/Ophtho/Rads just because you want to

 

[andwhat]

Are you really an attending? It is not the norm and it is not that easy. You don't switch from FM to Ortho/Derm/Ophtho/Rads just because you want to

yes you are right I made a mistake initially.

 

[KurosawaRhap]

noooooooo but I am saying that its possible but no not easy at all actually. Please direct me to where I stated that

Several have gone into IM / FM / Peds and later on changed their minds, and transferred into specialties -- ex. Ortho, Gen Surg, Dermatology, Opthalmology, Radiology. (and vice versa) This is not the norm -- but what I am pointing out to you -- is that it is not difficult to attain a specialty, once you are in the system.

Way to backtrack.

 

[andwhat]

Way to backtrack.

aaaaaaaaaaah I see.... not as difficult usually as compared to straight out of residency... I have seen it done personally -- but its a long and painful road -- but in the end possible.
Yes I see, then what I said was wrong initially.
Now are you stating to me that it is impossible to match into a competitive specialty, after doing Primary Care?
What exactly are you eluding to?
Thanks for the correction btw.
My mistake for the typographical error.
If anything else you disagree with, or seems inaccurate, I will certainly let you know-- if you point it out.

 

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[andwhat]

I know sorry.
Hopefully DNR'd this subject, if not I will keep on going.

 

[thethom]

The post on your lifestyle, etc etc was a good read "andwhat"! Makes me even happier than I already was about going into FM...! I'm starting my residency July, any advice on good FM texts to start out with?

 

[andwhat]

The post on your lifestyle, etc etc was a good read "andwhat"! Makes me even happier than I already was about going into FM...! I'm starting my residency July, any advice on good FM texts to start out with?

the hate on FM -- I just cannot understand it...
glad that you are going to enjoy FM. It is a great field.
Swanson's book of FM, great read, and easy to read chapters -- will drive you to score higher on the in - service examinations, of which I am sure that you will do great on anyways.

 

[Macgyver1]

The post on your lifestyle, etc etc was a good read "andwhat"! Makes me even happier than I already was about going into FM...! I'm starting my residency July, any advice on good FM texts to start out with?

Thom, Thom... I didn't think you would go into family medicine after our surgery stent at St Mary's. Congrats on matching into what you wanted!! I'll be in Family also in July.

Ok back on topic..

I am an US FMG who did very well on boards and choose FM instead of "Resigned" to it because I couldn't match into other ROAD specialities. I choose FM because I really enjoy it and enjoy the varity you see. The hours are really good and I can spend time enjoying life with my family and whatever other things I love doing.

As for the all mighty $$$ which seems to be a deciding factor in speciality choice for most students. Who would want to be treated by a miserable Doc who choose ROAD speciality because he/she bank roles 400K+ a year. If there miserable they are going to probably provide just the min. care to get you out the door, so they can go home. Not the kind of Mcdonalds customer service I would want in my surgeon or radiologist or dermatologist.

I know there are plenty of specialists who are happy with their lifestyle and ok with their practice, but would really enjoy doing something else.

Find something you love doing and can make some money at, and you'll never work a day in your life. If I can pay my bills and provide for my family and save for retirement while saving for my kids college on 100K, 90 or less, then Ill be the happiest FM Doc out there.

 

[asmallchild]

As for the all mighty $$$ which seems to be a deciding factor in speciality choice for most students. Who would want to be treated by a miserable Doc who choose ROAD speciality because he/she bank roles 400K+ a year. If there miserable they are going to probably provide just the min. care to get you out the door, so they can go home. Not the kind of Mcdonalds customer service I would want in my surgeon or radiologist or dermatologist

I understand what you're saying (and I certainly agree about not wanting to be treated by someone whose interest doesn't lie in their supposed field of expertise) but it's not quite accurate to label all those who are headed towards the ROAD specialties as money-obsessed or even unhappy with their career choice. It's anecdotal of course but most people I've met in those fields are very content with their chosen profession.

 

[Macgyver1]

As for the all mighty $$$ which seems to be a deciding factor in speciality choice for most students. Who would want to be treated by a miserable Doc who choose ROAD speciality because he/she bank roles 400K+ a year. If there miserable they are going to probably provide just the min. care to get you out the door, so they can go home. Not the kind of Mcdonalds customer service I would want in my surgeon or radiologist or dermatologist.

I know there are plenty of specialists who are happy with their lifestyle and ok with their practice, but would really enjoy doing something else.

I understand what you're saying (and I certainly agree about not wanting to be treated by someone whose interest doesn't lie in their supposed field of expertise) but it's not quite accurate to label all those who are headed towards the ROAD specialties as money-obsessed or even unhappy with their career choice. It's anecdotal of course but most people I've met in those fields are very content with their chosen profession.

I am usually careful not to put "broad based" labels on people as its unfair and if It seems that way above in my post let me clarify. My appoligizes if it seemed that way.

What I meant to say was salaries are a large part of deciding factors when choosing a speciality it seems to medical students choosing a speciality. Its obviously not the only factor and I would would hope a personal desire to do the speciality would play the largest role in choosing a speciality. Despite wishful thinking the facts are in front of us.

Why is dermatology and radiology the top picks of specialitys in the match year after year?! Can you honestly tell me that dermatology is such interesting and satisfying profession that medical students who spend 8+ years in school to learn about only skin conditions!? Its the LIFESTYLE! It always has been for a while. Good hours and good pay and a GREAT lifestyle. No Call or late nights or early morning?!

We all applied to medical school because of a general interest in medicine and science. We NEVER bring up the possibilty of a good lifestyle as a physician to the admissions committee because it seems "self fulfilling" and selfish. Being a doctor means a cushy and comfortable lifestyle. Its defentinly a major factor in people choosing medicine instead of the ol' "I want to help people." line that used over and over in med school.

We want people to see us Doctors as selfless people who devoted their lives to help those in need. When the question of salary and lifestyle comes up its crickets and uncomfortable stares.

Im NOT saying ROAD specialists are ALL for the $$$ or Lifestyle. To say it wasn't a SIGNIFICANT factor in their choice is to lie to yourself. Numbers don't lie and wether we like it or not, $$$, power and prestige are some pretty seductive things to want in a profession.

Im simply pointing out the "hush hush" topics that aren't discussed by medical students openly when discussing their desire what they want to specialize in.

Remember this is just my opinion and I am not blanket statmenting anyone or any speciality in particular. Just my 2 cents.

Now that I have laid some kindeling and soaked it in kerosine... let the flaming begin..

 

[tony montana]

but it's not quite accurate to label all those who are headed towards the ROAD specialties as money-obsessed or even unhappy with their career choice.

Poster never labeled them ALL .

 

[asmallchild]

Why is dermatology and radiology the top picks of specialitys in the match year after year?!

Hard to say although I would agree that lifestyle/compensation do figure in to some degree. Not sure where you get radiology. The NRMP reports that dermatology, neurosurgery, ENT, and orthopedic surgery were the most sought after specialties this year.

 

[EastWestN2grt]

Hard to say although I would agree that lifestyle/compensation do figure in to some degree. Not sure where you get radiology. The NRMP reports that dermatology, neurosurgery, ENT, and orthopedic surgery were the most sought after specialties this year.

To some degree???I would agree with Macgyver and say more like a significant degree. While surgical specialties I would argue have a wide variety of aspects that appeal to med students, I have always thought the RAD specialties are all about the $$$. Because in my opinion these are specialties that are absolutely a BORE, and to do this day in and day out for the rest of my life would require getting paid a lot.

 

[asmallchild]

To some degree???I would agree with Macgyver and say more like a significant degree. While surgical specialties I would argue have a wide variety of aspects that appeal to med students, I have always thought the RAD specialties are all about the $$$. Because in my opinion these are specialties that are absolutely a BORE, and to do this day in and day out for the rest of my life would require getting paid a lot.

I liked that you put "IMO"

 

[andwhat]

Thom, Thom... I didn't think you would go into family medicine after our surgery stent at St Mary's. Congrats on matching into what you wanted!! I'll be in Family also in July.

Ok back on topic..

I am an US FMG who did very well on boards and choose FM instead of "Resigned" to it because I couldn't match into other ROAD specialities. I choose FM because I really enjoy it and enjoy the varity you see. The hours are really good and I can spend time enjoying life with my family and whatever other things I love doing.

As for the all mighty $$$ which seems to be a deciding factor in speciality choice for most students. Who would want to be treated by a miserable Doc who choose ROAD speciality because he/she bank roles 400K+ a year. If there miserable they are going to probably provide just the min. care to get you out the door, so they can go home. Not the kind of Mcdonalds customer service I would want in my surgeon or radiologist or dermatologist.

I know there are plenty of specialists who are happy with their lifestyle and ok with their practice, but would really enjoy doing something else.

Find something you love doing and can make some money at, and you'll never work a day in your life. If I can pay my bills and provide for my family and save for retirement while saving for my kids college on 100K, 90 or less, then Ill be the happiest FM Doc out there.

FM = Lifestyle, Money... yes I am categorizing all three together!!

 

[ahk]

Some of the posts here are quite conceited...as are many doctors in the specialties/sub-specialties. I have been around medicine and doctors my entire life. My father is a D.O., and I am an M.D.

While it is quite true that better board scores and grades are required to attain entry into residency in some of the higher income fields, the idea that this subset of doctors is the "cream of the crop" is just plain BS.

I commend any of you out there with terrific scores. Good job. Are those with higher scores better doctors? Not necessarily. I have known docs with poor scores that have become excellent physicians. I have also known some who are brilliant, had excellent scores, but I wouldn't entrust my dogs to their care.

There is so much more to being a good physician than how much technical data you were able to shove into your brain at any one time.

Family practice to me is about meeting and knowing the members of my community, and helping them reach their health goals as well as navigate the rough seas of illness when they appear.

It is also about being on the front line, being Sherlock Holmes...aware that serious illness often looks just like common maladies. At least initially. It is our job not to become complacent.

Family medicine will always make a good living. If your concern is making big money I personally think you became a doctor for the wrong reason.

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

The beliefs of some of the FPs on here is shocking.

And could somebody please tell that "andwhat" guy to take it easy with the fobbisms -- no indentations, run on sentences, bad grammer, misspellings, misinformation and endless rants about the greatness of hospitalist medicine, etc. I mean come on...

It reminds me of the behavior of this uber-annoying optometry student who frequents the ophthalmology forum.

 

[Wrigleyville]

Look, if we had an army of FP docs who were comfortable making clinical decisions for their patients, who could step into the breach, and make decisions based on what was most likely, instead of ordering a **** load of tests to "rule out" various catastophes, we could wrangle in medical costs.

As long as clinical medicine is performed by people with only a cursory knowledge of their patients (ER docs, hospitalists, assorted specialists, etc) focused on defensive medicine and whose only goal in life is to "r/o badness" or to hand off the patient to someone else when their shift is over, the costs of medical care will be high.

 

[andwhat]

The beliefs of some of the FPs on here is shocking.

And could somebody please tell that "andwhat" guy to take it easy with the fobbisms misinformation and endless rants about the greatness of hospitalist medicine, etc. I mean come on...

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awww misinformation I know you love it -- if you didn't, you wouldn't bother replying to it!!!!!!!

Rampant jealousy. Somebody having a fit, who needs a time out. If there is one single inaccuracy, please note it and I will be more than happy to clarify it.

Ummmmmmmmmm waiting.....

If you do not like what I have to say, which is the truth, then do not read it, let alone reply to it. Do you understand me?

Shall I clarify that more clearly?

Not convinced yet? Ok try this.... try an away rotation, with a Hospitalist group. Please try and refute any one of my 'rants'. Hospitalist medicine is one of the fastest growing medical specialties, despite the decline of interest in Primary Care.

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

Several have gone into IM / FM / Peds and later on changed their minds, and transferred into specialties -- ex. Ortho, Gen Surg, Dermatology, Opthalmology, Radiology. (and vice versa) This is on the basis of personal preference, or geographical preferences even at times, and not hate for the specialty that they started with (usually).
This is not the norm -- but what I am pointing out to you -- is that it is not quite as difficult usually to attain a specialty, once you are in the system.
This is my point.

And your point is wrong.

Finishing one residency in primary care does NOT make it easier to obtain another even more competitive residency. Derm/Ophtho/Rads? Are you kidding me.

Your best bet to landing these residencies is as a 4th year medical student from a U.S. school. We all know that. Hopefully you do too.

And having completed one residency and applying for another you run into FUNDING problems. The gov't isn't going to keep picking up your residency tab while you hop from one field to another. That's not how it works, unfortunately.

You can rave and rant all you want about FP-hospitalist positions but please don't give misinformation.

I'm an IM prelim. I know about the "greatness" of hospitalists. So spare me please.

 

[andwhat]

And your point is wrong.

Finishing one residency in primary care does NOT make it easier to obtain another even more competitive residency. Derm/Ophtho/Rads? Are you kidding me.

Your best bet to landing these residencies is as a 4th year medical student from a U.S. school. We all know that. Hopefully you do too.

And having completed one residency and applying for another you run into FUNDING problems. The gov't isn't going to keep picking up your residency tab while you hop from one field to another. That's not how it works, unfortunately.

You can rave and rant all you want about FP-hospitalist positions but please don't give misinformation.

I'm an IM prelim. I know about the "greatness" of hospitalists. So spare me please.

hmmm.. reading comprehension probs?
"not quite as difficult" does not equal 'easier' I do not think that anything in Medicine should have the word 'easy' attached to it.

If you do not like Hospitalist medicine, and lifestyle, then do not go into it. Hospitalist Medicine is nothing like residency. Residency is brutal at times, and a survival game. On call every three to four days, 36 hour shifts that are continuous -- this never happens in the Hospitalist world. I am not saying that it is 'easy' but it certainly is much much more manageable than residency. Once again, if you do not like what I write, then do not reply to it, or present solid information to the contrary -- instead of you're personal rants and attacks. I will admit, that this is getting amusing however.
You should do what you want to do -- and if after completing one residency, you are inclined to complete another in a different field.... then no it is not impossible, as you clearly wish....
Have seen quite a few match into 'competitive' residencies after a Primary Care residency, or even a Primary Care career.
Derm for instance.
I am not stating that one candidate is more superior than another i.e. 4th year med student vs. an individual that completed a Primary Care residency, or any residency for that matter.
The residency selection process depends on several factors.
I am stating that, from my observation, it is possible to get into a competitive residency after a Primary Care residency. I have directly observed several instances.
If this truly is misinformation, as you state it, then please prove me wrong, instead of vague, inaccurate statements. Vague government conspiracy theories lol.
You are a resident, not a Hospitalist.
You have to be completely confident in you're career choice, and happy. Truth is, if you were truly confident, you would not be fighting with people on the Family Medicine forum.
I think that it is a bit ridiculous -- but please do not get me wrong -- it is also very entertaining.

 

[dgruntledmizzou]

Have seen quite a few match into 'competitive' residencies after a Primary Care residency, or even a Primary Care career.
Derm for instance.

I'm sure you've seen a few. I doubt you've seen QUITE a few. There are funding issues once you've completed a residency program. As someone who's just been through the match for a dermatology residency, I can assure you completing a primary care residency is not a way to get a leg up.

 

[asmallchild]

I'm sure you've seen a few. I doubt you've seen QUITE a few. There are funding issues once you've completed a residency program. As someone who's just been through the match for a dermatology residency, I can assure you completing a primary care residency is not a way to get a leg up.

Mizzou speaks the truth.

 

[andwhat]

I'm sure you've seen a few. I doubt you've seen QUITE a few. There are funding issues once you've completed a residency program. As someone who's just been through the match for a dermatology residency, I can assure you completing a primary care residency is not a way to get a leg up.

I am not stating that this is any way to 'get a leg up'. I am stating that it is possible to attain a competitive residency, after completing another residency, i.e. Primary Care. It is not impossible, and I am sure that there are 'funding' issues. I do not believe it is a significant deterrent. This is my personal assessment. You are correct however. It can be a deterrent. How significant a deterrent? From my obervation, not much of one at all.
Definitely not the way to go, in order to attain a different specialty.

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

I am not stating that this is any way to 'get a leg up'. I am stating that it is possible to attain a competitive residency, after completing another residency, i.e. Primary Care. It is not impossible, and I am sure that there are 'funding' issues. I do not believe it is a significant deterrent. This is my personal assessment. You are correct however. It can be a deterrent. How significant a deterrent? From my obervation, not much of one at all.
Definitely not the way to go, in order to attain a different specialty.

Listen very very carefully -- there is no residency that is "impossible" to get. Very difficult? Yes. Impossible? NO.

But that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing how you make it seem like finishing a IM/FP/Peds residency and then doing a 2nd residency in derm, rads, ophtho, ortho, etc is somehow EASIER once you're plugged into the system. Listen, it's not.

And if you're worred about being "plugged into the system" b/c you're a Fob, M.D. from overseas then your odds of landing a ROAD specialty is even more slim. (But not impossible. )

 

[andwhat]

Listen very very carefully -- there is no residency that is "impossible" to get. Very difficult? Yes. Impossible? NO.

But that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing how you make it seem like finishing a IM/FP/Peds residency and then doing a 2nd residency in derm, rads, ophtho, ortho, etc is somehow EASIER once you're plugged into the system. Listen, it's not.

And if you're worred about being "plugged into the system" b/c you're a Fob, M.D. from overseas then your odds of landing a ROAD specialty is even more slim. (But not impossible. )

the doom and gloom in the Young Ophthalmologist re: the crappy job market and about retina guys starting at 150K and living in studio apts.

If I didn't absolutely love this field and trust that I'll be a baller one day, I'd be having some SERIOUS doubts right now. Like bigtime.
did you post this or not?

No you listen very very carefully.
You are here because you are upset and insecure with you're career choice. jealousy!!!!!!! Is it difficult to get a job as a Hospitalist? NO. Is the money great? Just do a google search, Hospitalist salary.
I am not saying that everything is great. It is a tough job at times. This is a great profession in my opinion.
I can be off whenever I want to, and my income is very, very nice. I can have 2 or more weeks off per month, and I make over $200 K. This is my first job, yes my first job. Starting job.
Listen again very very carefully-- if you chase money, you will be disappointed. You are clearly insecure, and sad, therefore you are here trying to feel superior. Present solid facts to the contrary -- that my profession is not what I stated it to be. If you truly love what you do, and are passionate about waking up every day and doing you're job, you will not be on other forums trying to start fights.
Jealous insecure rampant child. Take a time out.
"Fob M.D. from overseas" Racism discrimination, hate???? Thank goodness you are not in Primary Care. what is the point of that?
I absolutely love what I do -- going to work everyday feels like I am at home.
Is it difficult to obtain another residency, after completing a Primary Care residency? Listen very very carefully.
I DO NOT CARE I have seen it done, and it is more than possible. I will leave it at that.
My job is the best in the world in my opinion. You can hate on me all you want, jealous insecure child.
Please do not divert from the topics of this forum, and thread.
This is great amusement
If you want to fight and argue with me, do it via private message. You are disgracing yourself.
Leave aside the personal hate attacks, and state solid evidence, as to why my profession is not what I stated it to be.
Family Medicine career opportunities are abundant.
If not then stay quietttttttttttttttt

 

[asmallchild]

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oops, posted in the wrong forum, deleted

 

[Recruiter Girl]

There are unique opportunities for primary care docs out there. If that is truly your passion, you shouldn't be discouraged from proceeding with that training. I, too, believe that change is coming and the primary care docs will be the driver's of healthcare like they should be. You need to look for opportunities where you have the opportunity to be a partner in a large physician owned group, and I just happen to work for the best group around as their physician recruiter. You have to pay your dues for a couple of years, but you end up with a net income in the 90th percentile of the nation, and the lifestyle options you choose.

 

[2oRadio]

There are unique opportunities for primary care docs out there. If that is truly your passion, you shouldn't be discouraged from proceeding with that training. I, too, believe that change is coming and the primary care docs will be the driver's of healthcare like they should be. You need to look for opportunities where you have the opportunity to be a partner in a large physician owned group, and I just happen to work for the best group around as their physician recruiter. You have to pay your dues for a couple of years, but you end up with a net income in the 90th percentile of the nation, and the lifestyle options you choose.

Gee, really? Being a partner in any large physician owned group (regardless of specialty) is likely to be lucrative and lifestyle-friendly. Heck, why restrict it to medicine. Make partner in a large law firm and you'll enjoy the same perks.

 

[2oRadio]

No you listen very very carefully.
You are here because you are upset and insecure with you're career choice. jealousy!!!!!!!

plz, we get u love ur job. but let's not go overboard and accuse others of being "jealous". i highly doubt someone who matched into ophtho is "jealous". if they were, they could easily give up their spot and wander into any of the many FM spots that remain open. on the topic of hospitalists, lets see if ur chanting the same song in a couple of years. theres a reason why people leave hospitalist medicine to eventually specialize: its called burnout.

 

[andwhat]

plz, we get u love ur job. but let's not go overboard and accuse others of being "jealous". i highly doubt someone who matched into ophtho is "jealous". if they were, they could easily give up their spot and wander into any of the many FM spots that remain open. on the topic of hospitalists, lets see if ur chanting the same song in a couple of years. theres a reason why people leave hospitalist medicine to eventually specialize: its called burnout.

so ummm what is the reason that people in my Hospitalist group have been working for the last 5-10 years as Hospitalists?
Nice comeback, chanting a tune in the next couple of years????
What does that have to do with NOW??
Ok Jealousy, more of an Inferiority complex.
Otherwise, what is the rationale, of you and others coming here on this forum, and starting arguments? What is the point exactly?

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

plz, we get u love ur job. but let's not go overboard and accuse others of being "jealous". i highly doubt someone who matched into ophtho is "jealous". if they were, they could easily give up their spot and wander into any of the many FM spots that remain open. on the topic of hospitalists, lets see if ur chanting the same song in a couple of years. theres a reason why people leave hospitalist medicine to eventually specialize: its called burnout.

Thanks doc. Much appreciated.

so ummm what is the reason that people in my Hospitalist group have been working for the last 5-10 years as Hospitalists?
Nice comeback, chanting a tune in the next couple of years????
What does that have to do with NOW??
Ok Jealousy, more of an Inferiority complex.
Otherwise, what is the rationale, of you and others coming here on this forum, and starting arguments? What is the point exactly?

I **HIGHLY** doubt any of the ROADs residents on here are jealous of or have "inferiority complexes" b/c of your hospitalist job.

 

[andwhat]

Thanks doc. Much appreciated.



I **HIGHLY** doubt any of the ROADs residents on here are jealous of or have "inferiority complexes" b/c of your hospitalist job.

I am not talking bout ROADs residents, talking about you doctorsaib osteopath.
You have a severe inherent inferiority complex, it is great
Stop trying to group others with yourself, and waste forum space. This issue is strictly with you, and you only. If you have other issues, p.m. me.

the doom and gloom in the Young Ophthalmologist re: the crappy job market and about retina guys starting at 150K and living in studio apts.

If I didn't absolutely love this field and trust that I'll be a baller one day, I'd be having some SERIOUS doubts right now. Like bigtime.

I will be kind enough to ask you politely once again, did you post this or not?

did I call it correctly or what? Booyaaaaa!!!
Inferiority complex? I think so... otherwise why do you post here during all of you're freetime?

 

[djnels01]

Jerry jerry jerry jerry jerry jerry jerry!

 

[andwhat]

Jerry jerry jerry jerry jerry jerry jerry!

couldn't agree with you more, but Doctorsaib keeps on bringing it ... it is almost too irresistable lol....

There is absolutely nothing to learn from doctorsaib's quarreling issues -- you have to admit it is entertaining.

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

I am not talking bout ROADs residents, talking about you doctorsaib osteopath.

And what's my residency sir?

I'll give you a hint -- it's not Hospitalistology.

 

[andwhat]

And what's my residency sir?

I'll give you a hint -- it's not Hospitalistology.

Actually I do not care what you're residency is sir.... All that I am concerned with, is you're incessant lackluster behavior, trying to overshadow you're self doubt.
Either prove a point, or stop wasting everyone's time.
Present facts, or do not waste forum space. I am guessing that the moderator of this forum is getting annoyed, as well as regulars.
I am not going to continue to bicker meaninglessly with you.
Name calling aside, which I realize is extremely difficult for you, you have not told me why I am presenting misinformation.
You have not presented evidence to the contrary, therefore you are desperately attempting to fight.
Name calling?????? this is absurdity.
Is this you're idea of proving a point?
You cannot prove a valid point.
You cover this up, with desperate attempts at provocation.
This is pathetic in my opinion.
Either prove a point, or stay silentttt shhhhhhhhhh!!!

the doom and gloom in the Young Ophthalmologist re: the crappy job market and about retina guys starting at 150K and living in studio apts.

If I didn't absolutely love this field and trust that I'll be a baller one day, I'd be having some SERIOUS doubts right now. Like bigtime.

equals inferiority complex, true or false.......

Just answer the question, without the name calling.....

also check this one out

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OMG, is this guy for real? I mean SERIOUSLY.

I would hate to be your co-resident. All you'd do is bitch and whine about everything.

God help you. G'luck.
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DOCTORSAIB, D.O.

what in the world is wrong with you??? why do you go around randomly attacking people on this, and every forum?? Has anyone checked out, almost half of you're posts are attacking people and threatening. It is insanity...
What exactly is the point of that????
It is almost psychotic behavior.
I am actually feeling bad for you're unhappiness.
If you are consantly roaming around discussion boards, and looking to fight with people because you are inherently pissed off, you need some help. There is plenty of help out there.
Please do not allow my words to sound like discouragement, I am trying to encourage you. People are out there to help you. The first person that needs to recognize that you need help, is yourself. Please stop the hating.

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

Lets see, this thread was started about the dismal FP stats in the match. We all agreed something has to change. Several people made intelligent suggetions. All was good. Things were civil.

You came in, made a fool out of yourself. You managed to piss of Rad Onc, Derm, Ophtho residents and at least one attending ALL IN THE SAME THREAD. Not to mention the countless people who have to read your chaotic posts who haven't commented (yet). I think a reality check is in order here.

G'luck to you.

 

[MedicineDoc]

I am wondering why these people who love the eye, medical imaging, and the skin enough to make it their life's work feel the need to post in the Doctor's forum instead of the imaging, skin, or eye forums?

 

[andwhat]

I am wondering why these people who love the eye, medical imaging, and the skin enough to make it their life's work feel the need to post in the Doctor's forum instead of the imaging, skin, or eye forums?

ditto, my goodness Doctorsaib, relax, nobody is trying to yell at you!
Relax, try and understand what is making you upset. Stop trying ONCE AGAIN to drag others into our quarrel. This is between you, and I, NOT anyone else. If you feel that my writing is 'chaotic' then please feel free to express this via P.M. You have no right to waste forum space on this board, with you're incessant anger.
Do NOT continue with the anger, and the thrashing.
This should be an educational forum, yet you continue with the name calling and then hatred??
This is getting a bit disconcerting honestly.
What in the world is making you so upset????
You are very very clearly angry, and upset, and attacking so many people on various forums.
Why is the question? Why do you not post intelligent things on this forum, or fight on you're own forum.
Wait a second, you did actually fight with someone on you're forum.
Please, without the anger and name calling.
Let us do away with the hostility, for once in you're life.
What is the point of attacking people randomly, is the question?
One day, you will actually be treating patients independently, and unsupervised. Is this sort of behavior warranted? Or acceptable?
You informed me, that I am posting 'misinformation' and I am yet to determine, or figure out what that was.

Trolling

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Why don't you just read and learn medicine then?

Do you plan on having this type of intellectually lazy mentality for the rest of your medical career? I hope not.

He's been trolling the Anesthesia board for a while with the same attitude.

you are just incessantly attacking people everywhere???
I wonder have mods ever intervened? This is horrible behavior, and completely unacceptable and irresponsible.

 

[2oRadio]

Lets see, this thread was started about the dismal FP stats in the match. We all agreed something has to change. Several people made intelligent suggetions. All was good. Things were civil.

You came in, made a fool out of yourself. You managed to piss of Rad Onc, Derm, Ophtho residents and at least one attending ALL IN THE SAME THREAD. Not to mention the countless people who have to read your chaotic posts who haven't commented (yet). I think a reality check is in order here.

G'luck to you.

I am wondering why these people who love the eye, medical imaging, and the skin enough to make it their life's work feel the need to post in the Doctor's forum instead of the imaging, skin, or eye forums?

Close but not quite. Radonc is the treatment of cancer with radiation. Radiology is imaging.

 

[2oRadio]

so ummm what is the reason that people in my Hospitalist group have been working for the last 5-10 years as Hospitalists?

I hope you don't use this same evidence based medicine on your patients. "Patient A is in remission and drinks OJ. Therefore, OJ must cure cancer!"

 

[andwhat]

I hope you don't use this same evidence based medicine on your patients. "Patient A is in remission and drinks OJ. Therefore, OJ must cure cancer!"

You stated that Hospitalists "burn out" -- other way around chief. People 'burn out' from doing something else -- i.e. Critical Care, combined inpatient and outpatient work (not always), and revert to Hospitalist medicine.
If you start you're career with Hospitalist work, and decide to go into a different career track (namely a fellowship) this is not called burn out, it is called moving on to something called a fellowship.

on the topic of hospitalists, lets see if ur chanting the same song in a couple of years. theres a reason why people leave hospitalist medicine to eventually specialize: its called burnout. Wow somebody is not a well wisher oooooooooooooooooooh!

If you would like to present clear evidence, rather than pure speculation, please feel free to do so. Otherwise, it is just that... you're mere speculation.

One could theoretically 'burn out' from any career, any profession.

It is unclear to me, as to why anybody would 'burn out' from doing Hospitalist work.

I am so tired from these long days, starting at 8 a.m., and finishing at 1 p.m. when I am not admitting, and not working for two weeks out of the month.

http://mdsalaries.blogspot.com/2008/07/hospitalist-incomes-continue-to-rise.html

so what exactly is the future?

http://www.acphospitalist.org/archives/2007/07/hosp_med.htm

 

[MedicineDoc]

Close but not quite. Radonc is the treatment of cancer with radiation. Radiology is imaging.

Whatever. I wasn't paying that much attention to the usernames. Doesn't really change my question.

 

[142348]

Give it up guys, there is no point in wasting your time arguing with andwhat. Instead of making well thought out arguements he rambles in 1 sentence bursts about how great it is to be a hospitalist and how those of us make any form of critique on FP and it's dismal match are jealous or have an inferiority complex. Obviously this guy is not very rational.

Truth be told, I could have been accepted to pretty much any FP program in this country so what am I jealous of? I am going to make more than you and work equal or less hours. Oh yea...I'm going to be real jealous as I cash my paycheck every week. As for inferiority complex, is it just me or is this the pot calling the kettle black. Most of us come here to engage in a meaningful discussion, not to attack FP. Any time we raise any issue with regards to FP, andwhat sends out a slew of senseless replies, designed to tout his life as a hospitalist. I get it, you like your job but that's not what this discussion is about.

 

[MedicineDoc]

Give it up guys, there is no point in wasting your time arguing with andwhat. Instead of making well thought out arguements he rambles in 1 sentence bursts about how great it is to be a hospitalist and how those of us make any form of critique on FP and it's dismal match are jealous or have an inferiority complex. Obviously this guy is not very rational.

Truth be told, I could have been accepted to pretty much any FP program in this country so what am I jealous of? I am going to make more than you and work equal or less hours. Oh yea...I'm going to be real jealous as I cash my paycheck every week. As for inferiority complex, is it just me or is this the pot calling the kettle black. Most of us come here to engage in a meaningful discussion, not to attack FP. Any time we raise any issue with regards to FP, andwhat sends out a slew of senseless replies, designed to tout his life as a hospitalist. I get it, you like your job but that's what this discussion is about.

I don't care what your career is or what pretext you claim to be posting under. Your posts come off as sophmoric. NOBODY CARES IF YOU ARE A SPECIALIST. BEING A SPECIALIST DOESN'T IMPRESS OTHER DOCTORS ESPECIALLY ONES THAT WOULDN'T ENJOY SPECIALIST MEDICINE. Here is some news for you. It ain't that hard to become a specialist. If it were there would't be way too many of them right now. Things change rapidly in medicine. You may just have bought high and be destined to sell low. Regardless you couldn't pay me enough to do the jobs of many specialist. Just way to confining.

 

[asmallchild]

I don't care what your career is or what pretext you claim to be posting under. Your posts come off as sophmoric. NOBODY CARES IF YOU ARE A SPECIALIST. BEING A SPECIALIST DOESN'T IMPRESS OTHER DOCTORS ESPECIALLY ONES THAT WOULDN'T ENJOY SPECIALIST MEDICINE. Here is some news for you. It ain't that hard to become a specialist. If it were there would't be way too many of them right now. Things change rapidly in medicine. You may just have bought high and be destined to sell low. Regardless you couldn't pay me enough to do the jobs of many specialist. Just way to confining.

Maybe. Probably. But the point remains that many medical students (especially AMGs) are in that "buying high" mode and eschewing fields like family medicine. It's not unreasonable to ask what needs to be done to fix this.