Why is the Caribbean so bad....????

[SurgDoc95]

And yet every other country with socialised healthcare has better outcomes...

Oh they do huh? Let's see some sourcing on that. While you're at it, why don't you look at those countries with "better outcomes" and see what their economies look like and the sizes of the countries. It's a hell of a lot easier to have a single payer system in a small country with low levels of chronic disease.

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[Lexdiamondz]

Oh they do huh? Let's see some sourcing on that. While you're at it, why don't you look at those countries with "better outcomes" and see what their economies look like and the sizes of the countries. It's a hell of a lot easier to have a single payer system in a small country with low levels of chronic disease.

So then devolve it to the level of the states and let them hash it out according to their own needs.

Furthermore most of these countries aren't "small". A nation of 81 million (Germany) or 120 million (Japan) is by no means small, and while they have lower levels of chronic disease, a big part of that is rooted in a robust primary care system that identifies and treats disease before they become chronic issues.

 

[DrWhozits]

Oh they do huh? Let's see some sourcing on that. While you're at it, why don't you look at those countries with "better outcomes" and see what their economies look like and the sizes of the countries. It's a hell of a lot easier to have a single payer system in a small country with low levels of chronic disease.

Could you explain why the population argument comes up all the time?

Wouldn't greater population = greater tax $$ and more physicians/providers? If so, how is that an issue?

 

[SurgDoc95]

Could you explain why the population argument comes up all the time?

Wouldn't greater population = greater tax $$ and more physicians/providers? If so, how is that an issue?

It's much more difficult to input a sweeping system change and maintain it on a scale 5x larger than the country/countries being modeled. There are more variables, more room for error, etc. Also, do you want to pay even more money for a single payer system? Advocates of socialized medicine point to expanded access to primary care and while that's great, its only a small solution to the overall problem. You lose the ability to make choices for your own personal health care. Instead you put safety nets in place for people who cannot afford insurance with the hopes that they'll eventually be at the point where they can pay for health insurance.

I'll end my rant as this isn't a political discussion page, but keep in mind it's really easy to support socialized programs until you run out of other people's money to spend.

 

[aformerstudent]

The Caribbean is not "bad" like some people here keep harping on. The Caribbean is however "risky" on many levels.

Picture this. You have a solid student who for whatever reason cannot get into an MD or DO program. On paper, they have competitive stats to study medicine but they are lacking in something for whatever reason. Something they may or may not even be aware of. Ideally this type of student should improve their app but time is money and some don't want to. Nothing wrong with this approach either; it's a personal decision.

Do you suggest that person give up on medical school because they were rejected? No absolutely not. That person would be a good candidate for SGU and since they would already have competitive stats (and this is key), they have a high chance of making it through the basic sciences program, doing well on STEP, and then matching into something even if it's a primary care position without much of a hiccup. In this example, the Caribbean is not "bad" because the person is now an MD. I don't get how that's "bad." Many people have done it already and many will continue to do it. Now if you're going to argue that a practicing SGU grad is somehow inferior to their US MD counterparts, then I can't help you there if you feel that way because I'd think once you match, those things don't matter. Now it's worth noting that most Caribbean students at least in this climate can expect to end up in primary care. The Caribbean is not a place to go if you are set on field that is more competitive. So if you're the type of student that I mentioned above and you are 100% set on radiology, then the Caribbean is a bad move because you probably won't match to radiology. If the student however wants primary care, the Caribbean becomes a viable option.

Here's the problem though. That type of student only makes up a tiny percentage of the caliber of student that applies to these schools. Most of the students at all of these Caribbean schools come in with mediocre to low stats and are deficient in more than one area of their application. I knew kids at my school who had zero clinical experience but wanted to become doctors. At some of the more established schools, you see higher incoming stats and at some of the lowest ranking schools, there are no admissions standards at all other than simply completing most of the pre-reqs and submitting an MCAT score. This is where the Caribbean becomes "risky" because these schools cost you a significant amount of money and time and if you don't know what you're doing, you will lose both. School's like SGU and maybe Ross are not dead ends because they do produce a significant amount of MD's and this is not something that can be argued. Coming back to the idea of risk, I would say that if you are not qualified to attend a US med school, there is a significant chance you will fail down the Caribbean path. The student in my first example has incredibly less risk but like I said, not a whole lot of these types of students actually end up in the Caribbean. So the path then becomes risky for most people.

Beyond those examples, there is a significant amount of politics that go on behind the scenes at these schools that may catch you off guard if you are used to education in the US which has certain rules and regulations that don't apply to schools in the Caribbean. Some people argue that these schools don't "weed-out" but I would argue otherwise.

I'd spend a few months going through most every post on this site and valuemd before I decided to apply to a Caribbean school.

I've been there, I've seen it, and I've experienced it. I don't just talk out of my arse.

 

[DrWhozits]

It's much more difficult to input a sweeping system change and maintain it on a scale 5x larger than the country/countries being modeled. There are more variables, more room for error, etc. Also, do you want to pay even more money for a single payer system? Advocates of socialized medicine point to expanded access to primary care and while that's great, its only a small solution to the overall problem. You lose the ability to make choices for your own personal health care. Instead you put safety nets in place for people who cannot afford insurance with the hopes that they'll eventually be at the point where they can pay for health insurance.

I'll end my rant as this isn't a political discussion page, but keep in mind it's really easy to support socialized programs until you run out of other people's money to spend.

I was just legitamately asking. I've heard that argument many times, but no one ever really explains.

And I think there are merits to both sides in this case, but it's ultimately going to come down to political ideaology.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Or, the student could go to podiatry school where they would have a reasonable chance of practicing medicine.

Or to a lesser extent, optometry.

Or pharmacy.

The Caribbean is not "bad" like some people here keep harping on. The Caribbean is however "risky" on many levels.

Picture this. You have a solid student who for whatever reason cannot get into an MD or DO program. On paper, they have competitive stats to study medicine but they are lacking in something for whatever reason. Something they may or may not even be aware of. Ideally this type of student should improve their app but time is money and some don't want to. Nothing wrong with this approach either; it's a personal decision.

Do you suggest that person give up on medical school because they were rejected? No absolutely not. That person would be a good candidate for SGU and since they would already have competitive stats (and this is key), they have a high chance of making it through the basic sciences program, doing well on STEP, and then matching into something even if it's a primary care position without much of a hiccup. In this example, the Caribbean is not "bad" because the person is now an MD. I don't get how that's "bad." Many people have done it already and many will continue to do it. Now if you're going to argue that a practicing SGU grad is somehow inferior to their US MD counterparts, then I can't help you there if you feel that way because I'd think once you match, those things don't matter. Now it's worth noting that most Caribbean students at least in this climate can expect to end up in primary care. The Caribbean is not a place to go if you are set on field that is more competitive. So if you're the type of student that I mentioned above and you are 100% set on radiology, then the Caribbean is a bad move because you probably won't match to radiology. If the student however wants primary care, the Caribbean becomes a viable option.

Here's the problem though. That type of student only makes up a tiny percentage of the caliber of student that applies to these schools. Most of the students at all of these Caribbean schools come in with mediocre to low stats and are deficient in more than one area of their application. I knew kids at my school who had zero clinical experience but wanted to become doctors. At some of the more established schools, you see higher incoming stats and at some of the lowest ranking schools, there are no admissions standards at all other than simply completing most of the pre-reqs and submitting an MCAT score. This is where the Caribbean becomes "risky" because these schools cost you a significant amount of money and time and if you don't know what you're doing, you will lose both. School's like SGU and maybe Ross are not dead ends because they do produce a significant amount of MD's and this is not something that can be argued. Coming back to the idea of risk, I would say that if you are not qualified to attend a US med school, there is a significant chance you will fail down the Caribbean path. The student in my first example has incredibly less risk but like I said, not a whole lot of these types of students actually end up in the Caribbean. So the path then becomes risky for most people.

Beyond those examples, there is a significant amount of politics that go on behind the scenes at these schools that may catch you off guard if you are used to education in the US which has certain rules and regulations that don't apply to schools in the Caribbean. Some people argue that these schools don't "weed-out" but I would argue otherwise.

I'd spend a few months going through most every post on this site and valuemd before I decided to apply to a Caribbean school.

I've been there, I've seen it, and I've experienced it. I don't just talk out of my arse.

 

[Jinxapotato]

The numbers will drop once we cut physician reimbursement after a single payer system is set in place (assuming the next president is the polar opposite of Trump). That plus higher taxes for us should do the trick.

Canada adopts a single payer system. The pay is comparable to US counterpart, and DAM there are tons of premeds out there...It's even more competitive than the US.

 

[aformerstudent]

Or, the student could go to podiatry school where they would have a reasonable chance of practicing medicine.

Or to a lesser extent, optometry.

Or pharmacy.

They key thing a lot of people miss with making those suggestions is that the student has to want to do those things. If you don't get into medical school, podiatry doesn't automatically start to look sexy.

 

[GypsyHummus]

No, but the prospect of becoming a doctor is appealing versus risking much more overseas.

I'd do pharmacy before going to the carribean, and that has very little in common with being a physician. At least with pharm they aren't trying to fail you out.

They key thing a lot of people miss with making those suggestions is that the student has to want to do those things. If you don't get into medical school, podiatry doesn't automatically start to look sexy.

 

[IslandStyle808]

The Caribbean is not "bad" like some people here keep harping on. The Caribbean is however "risky" on many levels.

Picture this. You have a solid student who for whatever reason cannot get into an MD or DO program. On paper, they have competitive stats to study medicine but they are lacking in something for whatever reason. Something they may or may not even be aware of. Ideally this type of student should improve their app but time is money and some don't want to. Nothing wrong with this approach either; it's a personal decision.

Do you suggest that person give up on medical school because they were rejected? No absolutely not. That person would be a good candidate for SGU and since they would already have competitive stats (and this is key), they have a high chance of making it through the basic sciences program, doing well on STEP, and then matching into something even if it's a primary care position without much of a hiccup. In this example, the Caribbean is not "bad" because the person is now an MD. I don't get how that's "bad." Many people have done it already and many will continue to do it. Now if you're going to argue that a practicing SGU grad is somehow inferior to their US MD counterparts, then I can't help you there if you feel that way because I'd think once you match, those things don't matter. Now it's worth noting that most Caribbean students at least in this climate can expect to end up in primary care. The Caribbean is not a place to go if you are set on field that is more competitive. So if you're the type of student that I mentioned above and you are 100% set on radiology, then the Caribbean is a bad move because you probably won't match to radiology. If the student however wants primary care, the Caribbean becomes a viable option.

Here's the problem though. That type of student only makes up a tiny percentage of the caliber of student that applies to these schools. Most of the students at all of these Caribbean schools come in with mediocre to low stats and are deficient in more than one area of their application. I knew kids at my school who had zero clinical experience but wanted to become doctors. At some of the more established schools, you see higher incoming stats and at some of the lowest ranking schools, there are no admissions standards at all other than simply completing most of the pre-reqs and submitting an MCAT score. This is where the Caribbean becomes "risky" because these schools cost you a significant amount of money and time and if you don't know what you're doing, you will lose both. School's like SGU and maybe Ross are not dead ends because they do produce a significant amount of MD's and this is not something that can be argued. Coming back to the idea of risk, I would say that if you are not qualified to attend a US med school, there is a significant chance you will fail down the Caribbean path. The student in my first example has incredibly less risk but like I said, not a whole lot of these types of students actually end up in the Caribbean. So the path then becomes risky for most people.

Beyond those examples, there is a significant amount of politics that go on behind the scenes at these schools that may catch you off guard if you are used to education in the US which has certain rules and regulations that don't apply to schools in the Caribbean. Some people argue that these schools don't "weed-out" but I would argue otherwise.

I'd spend a few months going through most every post on this site and valuemd before I decided to apply to a Caribbean school.

I've been there, I've seen it, and I've experienced it. I don't just talk out of my arse.

People have said on here it is the caliber of student that is accepted and its because of this that their attrition is so high. I don't believe this to be totally true. There are DO school who have students with almost similar stats (ex. KYCOM, WVSOM, newer schools etc. --> avg. MCAT 25). However, these schools still have lower attrition and better matching. As to why that is, I cannot put my finger on it. Maybe its because the schools try to do everything to make sure students are passing or maybe its because the COMLEX is easier than the USMLE (people will probably argue with me on this, but I believe this is true). Whatever the reason, the DO schools do a better job of getting students where they need to go.

It simply amazes me how Caribbean students are able to navigate through all the BS their schools give them. Such as the comp exams (required before sitting for the USMLE) and having to do all cores at green book certified places (the hospitals they rotate at may not have all the green book rotations at times). Then again a lot of my understanding of Caribbean schools is second hand knowledge from SDN and friends who went.

 

[aformerstudent]

People have said on here it is the caliber of student that is accepted and its because of this that their attrition is so high. I don't believe this to be totally true. There are DO school who have students with almost similar stats (ex. KYCOM, WVSOM, newer schools etc. --> avg. MCAT 25). However, these schools still have lower attrition and better matching. As to why that is, I cannot put my finger on it. Maybe its because the schools try to do everything to make sure students are passing or maybe its because the COMLEX is easier than the USMLE (people will probably argue with me on this, but I believe this is true). Whatever the reason, the DO schools do a better job of getting students where they need to go.

It simply amazes me how Caribbean students are able to navigate through all the BS their schools give them. Such as the comp exams (required before sitting for the USMLE) and having to do all cores at green book certified places (the hospitals they rotate at may not have all the green book rotations at times). Then again a lot of my understanding of Caribbean schools is second hand knowledge from SDN and friends who went.

That's tricky to describe. Having been there I agree it has to do with the caliber of student but at the same time I mean the caliber of student they accept usually can't make it through the punishing program and I believe the Caribbean programs are harder than US programs to begin with because they are accelerated and pretty much self-learning. They are second-chance medical schools in every sense and you will be working your butt off for that second chance. People also need to understand that in these accelerated programs, people are mostly memorizing all this stuff and spitting it out on tests. At our school, word got back to administration that third year students were lacking in basic sciences knowledge during rotations and we paid the price for that with mandatory pre-readings.

US schools invest in their students and help them succeed. The Caribbean programs could care less if you fail basic sciences.

 

[W19]

Could you explain why the population argument comes up all the time?

Wouldn't greater population = greater tax $$ and more physicians/providers? If so, how is that an issue?

It's just a talking point...

 

[allantois]

Oh they do huh? Let's see some sourcing on that. While you're at it, why don't you look at those countries with "better outcomes" and see what their economies look like and the sizes of the countries. It's a hell of a lot easier to have a single payer system in a small country with low levels of chronic disease.

Just look at schools of public health at places like Harvard and Stanford. They are all advocates for a single-payer system. The only people who disagree are right-wingers, who couldn't care less about science or research.

 

[SurgDoc95]

Just look at schools of public health at places like Harvard and Stanford. They are all advocates for a single-payer system. The only people who disagree are right-wingers, who couldn't care less about science or research.

If you think that conservatives don't care about science or research you're quite delusional pal.

Also, two of the most liberal universities advocating a single payer system is not a bit surprising.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Someone is being a Stereotyping Sally.

Just look at schools of public health at places like Harvard and Stanford. They are all advocates for a single-payer system. The only people who disagree are right-wingers, who couldn't care less about science or research.

 

[SurgDoc95]

Someone is being a Stereotyping Sally.

I always say to people who feel like we should have socialized everything how about you give 90% of your income to the government then? Put your money where your mouth is, but no they won't have any of that.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Well, I guess you just hate poor people then if you don't want socialized anything. How dare you. Also since you disagree with me and my left wing principles you are: fascist, islamaphobic, racist, sexist, women hating, transphobic, homophobic, bigot, and anti-wookie.

I always say to people who feel like we should have socialized everything how about you give 90% of your income to the government then? Put your money where your mouth is, but no they won't have any of that.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

If you think that conservatives don't care about science or research you're quite delusional pal.

Also, two of the most liberal universities advocating a single payer system is not a bit surprising.

They generally don't because they statistically are more likely than not to struggle with even basic reading skills, let alone scientific literacy ( both sides are bad, but it's just a fact that conservatives are worse).

I always say to people who feel like we should have socialized everything how about you give 90% of your income to the government then? Put your money where your mouth is, but no they won't have any of that.

But it won't be a socialized system even if we did that. This is akin to saying that because someone is participating in consumerism i.e buying an iphone they are pro-capitalism. I would happily see a system of socialism where basic provisions include housing, medicine, education, etc. Not because I necessarily believe that everyone should be equal in wealth, but because I believe that certain things are qualities of a civilized nation. But me giving all my money to a government that is anti-socialism is not akin to socialism occurring.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Well, I guess you just hate poor people then if you don't want socialized anything. How dare you. Also since you disagree with me and my left wing principles you are: fascist, islamaphobic, racist, sexist, women hating, transphobic, homophobic, bigot, and anti-wookie.

I think that denying that exclusion and oppression are prominent within the right wing is significantly more dangerous than a few tumblr twats who do things like this.
Lets be frank here, republicans still are campaigning years after legally I could marry to remove my right to do so. That's real, what you paint here only shows how insulated you are honestly.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Also looking at the title of this thread now. How did we get here?

 

[GypsyHummus]

No no no, left wing extreminism has violent effects besides a few tumblr social justice warriors, case in point, the shooting of the congressmen earlier this week. You can't close your eyes to left wing violence and say it's all conservative people who are backward in their thinking.

Besides, the government shouldn't be in marriage anyway.

Back on topic, carribean bad, go to any other program in medicine before taking the jump

I think that denying that exclusion and oppression are prominent within the right wing is significantly more dangerous than a few tumblr twats who do things like this.
Lets be frank here, republicans still are campaigning years after legally I could marry to remove my right to do so. That's real, what you paint here only shows how insulated you are honestly.

 

[allantois]

I always say to people who feel like we should have socialized everything how about you give 90% of your income to the government then? Put your money where your mouth is, but no they won't have any of that.

You don't strike me as a particularly informed person. All I'm getting is usual talking points one would get from Fox News

 

[W19]

I always say to people who feel like we should have socialized everything how about you give 90% of your income to the government then? Put your money where your mouth is, but no they won't have any of that.

Another talking point...

 

[SurgDoc95]

You don't strike me as a particularly informed person. All I'm getting is usual talking points one would get from Fox News

You haven't supplied any points of substance yet I'm the one uninformed? Okay

 

[allantois]

You haven't supplied any points of substance yet I'm the one uninformed? Okay

I told ya to look into policy research work by our nation's prominent public health scientists and educate yourself. Instead, you are spewing nonsense about 90% taxes

 

[SurgDoc95]

They generally don't because they statistically are more likely than not to struggle with even basic reading skills, let alone scientific literacy ( both sides are bad, but it's just a fact that conservatives are worse).



But it won't be a socialized system even if we did that. This is akin to saying that because someone is participating in consumerism i.e buying an iphone they are pro-capitalism. I would happily see a system of socialism where basic provisions include housing, medicine, education, etc. Not because I necessarily believe that everyone should be equal in wealth, but because I believe that certain things are qualities of a civilized nation. But me giving all my money to a government that is anti-socialism is not akin to socialism occurring.

I'm not going to get into a political debate with you, but I will acknowledge that republicans (which I am not) need to get out of the bedroom and modernize on those social issues. However, the most dangerously uninformed and opinionated people I know are what I refer to as overeducated idiots. Having an education is useless if you've never had a real job and have zero common sense. Anyway DO over Carrib any day and let's move on!

 

[SurgDoc95]

I told ya to look into policy research work by our nation's prominent public health scientists and educate yourself. Instead, you are spewing nonsense about 90% taxes

It's hyperbolic to prove a point. Calling me uninformed by stating 90% taxation and then telling me "go research it" is no more informative and is quite typical of someone who feels "enlightened".

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

No no no, left wing extreminism has violent effects besides a few tumblr social justice warriors, case in point, the shooting of the congressmen earlier this week. You can't close your eyes to left wing violence and say it's all conservative people who are backward in their thinking.

Besides, the government shouldn't be in marriage anyway.

Back on topic, carribean bad, go to any other program in medicine before taking the jump

It's amazing how one recent event somehow is a weight that balances the violence and oppression of decades.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Darling that's just recently, the left has a track record of propagating volience and inciting race baiting. Nazi, you know that group that the left loves to call conservatives and libertarians and our president Donald Trump (president Trump, feels good, never gets old), is a socialist group. Communism is a form of leftism, and one that leftists love to drift to now.

It's gotten so bad that I don't call the Democratic Party and left leaning people "Liberals" anymore. True liberals are for liberty and freedom. What has manifested and festered in the Democratic Party is somehing else entirely.

What's oppressive? Conservatives not agreeing with you and saying they will pray for you or riots at Berkeley because a speaker doesn't agree with them, all the while breaking down windows and injuring people.

Liberty and Americana ideals are the new counter culture.

Now, let's get back to the topic at hand.

It's amazing how one recent event somehow is a weight that balances the violence and oppression of decades.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Darling that's just recently, the left has a track record of propagating volience and inciting race baiting. Nazi, you know that group that the left loves to call conservatives and libertarians and our president Donald Trump (president Trump, feels good, never gets old), is a socialist group. Communism is a form of leftism, and one that leftists love to drift to now.

It's gotten so bad that I don't call the Democratic Party and left leaning people "Liberals" anymore. True liberals are for liberty and freedom. What has manifested and festered in the Democratic Party is somehing else entirely.

What's oppressive? Conservatives not agreeing with you and saying they will pray for you or riots at Berkeley because a speaker doesn't agree with them, all the while breaking down windows and injuring people.

Liberty and Americana ideals are the new counter culture.

Now, let's get back to the topic at hand.

The Nazi party jailed communists and socialists. They were a nationalist party, fascists, and traditionally considered authoritarian right. Much of the Nazi Party's agenda was directed at both the notion that the socialists ( The Bavarian Socialist State and organized labor ( The German Empire fell to a halt due to labor strikes in shipyards and other unionized labor) as well as the Jews stabbed the German Empire in the back. I would recommend you spend sometime learning about the history actually.

Yes, Donald Trump is the president of the United States. And I appreciate his efforts to empower both doctors, scientists, and women to take to running for office to protect their rights and the advancement of this nation.

You literally are crying over broken glass. A material good. Boohoo, an insurance company was forced to pay a claim.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I'm not going to get into a political debate with you, but I will acknowledge that republicans (which I am not) need to get out of the bedroom and modernize on those social issues. However, the most dangerously uninformed and opinionated people I know are what I refer to as overeducated idiots. Having an education is useless if you've never had a real job and have zero common sense. Anyway DO over Carrib any day and let's move on!

There's nothing to debate. Furthermore it is in my experience that the most idiotic of people are those who have not been humbled by the weight of knowledge and truth. Those individuals who have gotten but a small drop of truth and claim to know it all.

 

[SurgDoc95]

There's nothing to debate. Furthermore it is in my experience that the most idiotic of people are those who have not been humbled by the weight of knowledge and truth. Those individuals who have gotten but a small drop of truth and claim to know it all.

We can agree to disagree then!
I'll also pretend that isn't a vailed insult

 

[luckyely91]

I came to this thread because I wanted to become more familiarized with the Caribbean medical schools, and most of this page consists of SDNers arguing... thank you @aformerstudent and @IslandStyle808 for contributing to this page (page 2) and providing interesting perspectives and opinions.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

We can agree to disagree then!
I'll also pretend that isn't a vailed insult

? It actually was not.

 

[SurgDoc95]

? It actually was not.

My apologies then

 

[SLC]

One of the things I appreciate most about the Medicine community is that despite members having their own political views, we generally keep them to ourselves.

The last bit of this thread has been disappointing.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

One of the things I appreciate most about the Medicine community is that despite members having their own political views, we generally keep them to ourselves.

The last bit of this thread has been disappointing.

I needed a distraction lol

 

[aformerstudent]

I came to this thread because I wanted to become more familiarized with the Caribbean medical schools, and most of this page consists of SDNers arguing... thank you @aformerstudent and @IslandStyle808 for contributing to this page (page 2) and providing interesting perspectives and opinions.

You're welcome. Glad to help. Yeah, I don't get why so many people argue on SDN. I mean why?

 

[IslandStyle808]

I came to this thread because I wanted to become more familiarized with the Caribbean medical schools, and most of this page consists of SDNers arguing... thank you @aformerstudent and @IslandStyle808 for contributing to this page (page 2) and providing interesting perspectives and opinions.

Not a problem. There was a time long ago where I did consider the Caribbean and had read a lot on here and other forums about it. There is a ton of problems that are not put into light. I will try to add more of what I know later, but I think @aformerstudent can give more insight than I.

 

[DrWhozits]

So anybody seen any good movies?

 

[thoracentesis]

Yes, single payer healthcare is what we need for everyone in this country. It works great in the US! Just ask American Indians about how great the IHS or veterans how good the healthcare at the VA is.. Don't forget, our veterans and Native Americans are some of the healthiest people in this country thanks to single payer!

 

[thoracentesis]

And yet every other country with socialised healthcare has better outcomes...

Yes, these better outcomes have nothing to do with culture, homogeneity of race/language, eating habits, obesity, and everything to do with single payer healthcare

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Yes, these better outcomes have nothing to do with culture, homogeneity of race/language, eating habits, obesity, and everything to do with single payer healthcare

Healthcare systems are sort of built around their nations needs and expectations. Breaking it down to factors like that aren't valid excuses. Furthermore if one does that one would expect that we should be able to dismiss other nation's unique circumstances and unique disease characteristics? It's really just dancing around the fact that we fail to provide a sufficient safety net for people while also spending excessive amounts on less important and less valid endeavors.

But honestly I believe truly that if the US implemented required 4 week minimals for paid vacation, paid sick and maternal/paternal leave, and cut back on labor productivity like they do in most of Western Europe we would gain years on our lives. Then again no one is looking to expand social security so...

 

[NecrotizingFasciitis]

Just look at schools of public health at places like Harvard and Stanford. They are all advocates for a single-payer system. The only people who disagree are right-wingers, who couldn't care less about science or research.

Left-winger here, but I do not support a single-payer system.

The world is full of nuance; blanket statements are dangerous and lazy.

 

[luckyely91]

You're welcome. Glad to help. Yeah, I don't get why so many people argue on SDN. I mean why?

Beats me. It's almost laughable why people get so heated on SDN, and even banned. I like to keep things civil in general, including anonymous online forums lol. Plus, a lot of these SDNers are going to be doctors some day!

 

[aformerstudent]

a lot of these SDNers are going to be doctors some day!

Hahaha, nah man maybe like 2%.

 

[GypsyHummus]

What happens to the carribean students that fail out of the school?

What about those who pass the steps, but don't end up matching?

Hahaha, nah man maybe like 2%.

 

[aformerstudent]

What happens to the carribean students that fail out of the school?

What about those who pass the steps, but don't end up matching?

According to one member, a strange one at that, they drive for Uber or work in the stock room at Wal-Mart. I can't verify that however.

 

[allantois]

I came to this thread because I wanted to become more familiarized with the Caribbean medical schools, and most of this page consists of SDNers arguing... thank you @aformerstudent and @IslandStyle808 for contributing to this page (page 2) and providing interesting perspectives and opinions.

Do an SDN search. The topic has been discussed ad nausem