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Any advice?
how much a waste of time anatomy and histo are.
Oh and may I add how much of the stress was a complete waste of energy.
am i really gonna have to actually sit down and study 5 hrs everyday? i cant see that possible for me
engineering background.. and i can barely study for an hr at a time
How many people were going to treat me like **** simply because I was wearing a short white coat.
And exactly how far I could go in mouthing off back to them without getting into trouble (a lot further than you think!)
engineering background.. and i can barely study for an hr at a time
Any dos / don'ts in this regard? Panda said some similar things. Seems like high-risk strategy in some respects.
engineering background.. and i can barely study for an hr at a time
retaining information is also very hard if it isnt a process
What do you mean, if it isn't a process? Do you mean that you can't retain info in a vacuum?
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...gunner.2. Be careful who you call a "gunner." It is a very unflattering term. Ask yourself - "is this person actively undercutting his/her classmates, or am I just self-concious b/c they know more than me?"
I have the same problem as Hook as far as being able to study for less than 1 hour at a time, and "adjusting to med school" wasn't a "problem" for me as smq might have suggested had I aired my concerns in public. Basically, what's worked for me is sit down and study for as long as I can attend meaningfully (about 30 minutes for me usually), then get up and walk around for ten minutes or so or go get some coffee or chat with a friend, then sit down and do it again. I wound up knowing the material better than most of my collegues who were "studying for five hours straight" [largely because, if you ever sit down to watch your classmates perform this little maneuver, they're really chatting, staring off into space, and occasionally studying]. The time spent walking, getting coffee turns out to be great for consolidating information.
In general, what I wish someone had told me before I started med school is that you should ignore what everyone else is doing and figure out your own way of doing it, that all the legends you hear about how medical students study are complete BS, and to ignore anyone who tried to foist off how I was going to have some sort of problem with X Y and Z given A B or C about myself.
Anka
2 best pieces of advice I've rec'd so far in med school...
1. Find a small number of upperclassmen you trust to go to for advice, don't plunk down in a group of M2s and say "so what books should I buy?" It's kosher to say "so did you struggle with biochem or breeze through it" so you can try to find someone at your level. One of the more idiotic trends I've found in med school is that all the underclassmen tend to listen to the same 5-10 upperclassmen, most of whom are in the HP/H/235+ crowd.
2. Be careful who you call a "gunner." It is a very unflattering term. Ask yourself - "is this person actively undercutting his/her classmates, or am I just self-concious b/c they know more than me?"
I have the same problem as Hook as far as being able to study for less than 1 hour at a time, and "adjusting to med school" wasn't a "problem" for me as smq might have suggested had I aired my concerns in public. Basically, what's worked for me is sit down and study for as long as I can attend meaningfully (about 30 minutes for me usually), then get up and walk around for ten minutes or so or go get some coffee or chat with a friend, then sit down and do it again. I wound up knowing the material better than most of my collegues who were "studying for five hours straight" [largely because, if you ever sit down to watch your classmates perform this little maneuver, they're really chatting, staring off into space, and occasionally studying]. The time spent walking, getting coffee turns out to be great for consolidating information.
In general, what I wish someone had told me before I started med school is that you should ignore what everyone else is doing and figure out your own way of doing it, that all the legends you hear about how medical students study are complete BS, and to ignore anyone who tried to foist off how I was going to have some sort of problem with X Y and Z given A B or C about myself.
Anka
How many people were going to treat me like **** simply because I was wearing a short white coat.
And exactly how far I could go in mouthing off back to them without getting into trouble (a lot further than you think!)
am i really gonna have to actually sit down and study 5 hrs everyday? i cant see that possible for me
almost everyone to work at least 3-5 hours a day everyday of the week to stay afloat. For some people they will need even more than that. To honor you will need more than that. Accept this reality or your adjustment to medschool will be more painful than necessary.
I'm still kind of hoping that I'll be one of those people that can study less than ~4-5 hours a day, attend lectures, and be more or less alright.
How the women didn't look so good the first day, but they looked better and better with each passing day.
I'd really like to hear details, both so I can know what to expect, but also because your story (stories?) seems to have Jerry Springer-like undertones and sound amusing.Yeah, I've seen Panda make references to this as well, but I think he's a little more gung-ho about it than I am.
I'm not sure I would "recommend" any kind of aggressive posture or language as a matter of habit. I have though, on a few occassions, been pushed far enough to mouth off or get a little angrier than maybe I should have. To date I have never experienced reprocussions for anything I've done, although obviously it has never gone beyond raising my voice or speaking harshly.
Panda probably has a better perspective than I do (age before beauty, and all that). I do think though, that med students should be aware that if they are being verbally abused, they don't have to automatically take it, appologise, cry, or anything like that. You can stand up for yourself, as long as it doesn't progress to the point of actual or threatened violence. There is certainly something to be said for learning to express "professional anger".
I have the same problem as Hook as far as being able to study for less than 1 hour at a time, and "adjusting to med school" wasn't a "problem" for me as smq might have suggested had I aired my concerns in public. Basically, what's worked for me is sit down and study for as long as I can attend meaningfully (about 30 minutes for me usually), then get up and walk around for ten minutes or so or go get some coffee or chat with a friend, then sit down and do it again. I wound up knowing the material better than most of my collegues who were "studying for five hours straight" [largely because, if you ever sit down to watch your classmates perform this little maneuver, they're really chatting, staring off into space, and occasionally studying]. The time spent walking, getting coffee turns out to be great for consolidating information.
In general, what I wish someone had told me before I started med school is that you should ignore what everyone else is doing and figure out your own way of doing it, that all the legends you hear about how medical students study are complete BS, and to ignore anyone who tried to foist off how I was going to have some sort of problem with X Y and Z given A B or C about myself.
How the women didn't look so good the first day, but they looked better and better with each passing day.
I'd really like to hear details, both so I can know what to expect, but also because your story (stories?) seems to have Jerry Springer-like undertones and sound amusing.
Finally, as the placenta is delivering, she says, "What are the three signs of imminent placental delivery?" At this point I was no longer answering her questions, and just said, "It comes out."
...gunner.
find the things you love, and strive to make them at least as much a part of your life in med school as they are now.
In general, what I wish someone had told me before I started med school is that you should ignore what everyone else is doing and figure out your own way of doing it, that all the legends you hear about how medical students study are complete BS, and to ignore anyone who tried to foist off how I was going to have some sort of problem with X Y and Z given A B or C about myself.
Umm... yeah. I certainly can't retain facts in a vacuum. I admire people who can, though. More power to you.
And exactly how far I could go in mouthing off back to them without getting into trouble (a lot further than you think!)
I find that I can study for longer stretches if someone is "studying" with me, even if we don't talk to each other. I think I feel embarrassed if I get up and walk around every 20 minutes if someone is right next to me.
You don't have to do all five hours consecutively but yes you will have to study 5+ hours a day in totum. You can slack a bit the week after an exam but otherwise this is the norm. I study for 45 minutes (I found thru experimentation that this is the max time for my peak concentration) and then I take a break. Its lame but I use an egg timer that counts down from 45 minutes, then I use it again and time a 15 minute break doing whatever before I start up again. I skip most of my classes so I wake up in the morning and sit down to study like it was my job. I take a few extended breaks for lunch, working out and dinner and usually don't have to start up again after dinner unless I had alot of non-studying activities that day or its within a week of an exam. I'm not a slow person, my family actually called me the human sponge when I was a kid because of my exceptional memory . . . but in medschool everyone is exceptional (thats how they got here) and the volume of the workload forces almost everyone to work at least 3-5 hours a day everyday of the week to stay afloat. For some people they will need even more than that. To honor you will need more than that. Accept this reality or your adjustment to medschool will be more painful than necessary.
As I walk in, she yells, "Where the hell have you been? Don't you know your patient is giving birth?" I let that go and do the delivery with her, and the whole time she's asking me all these specific questions about the patient's lab values and presentation, which of course I don't know. She's getting angrier and angrier. Finally, as the placenta is delivering, she says, "What are the three signs of imminent placental delivery?" At this point I was no longer answering her questions, and just said, "It comes out."
This is not true in general. You do NOT need to study 5 hours a day in order to do well. I made 100's on my first three tests this semester, and did well previously as well. The volume is high, but NOT 5 hours high. I'd I study maybe 14 hours a week? Maybe 20/week the week before exams? I don't consider myself particularly brilliant either. Perhaps your strategy is overkill?
and Blaine:
"One of the more idiotic trends I've found in med school is that all the underclassmen tend to listen to the same 5-10 upperclassmen, most of whom are in the HP/H/235+ crowd."
Why is this an idiotic trend? Shouldn't you want to hear advice from those who did well?
This is not true in general. You do NOT need to study 5 hours a day in order to do well. I made 100's on my first three tests this semester, and did well previously as well. The volume is high, but NOT 5 hours high. I'd I study maybe 14 hours a week? Maybe 20/week the week before exams? I don't consider myself particularly brilliant either. Perhaps your strategy is overkill?
I think a lot depends on your school, your motivation, and your ability to passively absorb information. You do not *have to* spend 5 hours a day studying. You don't even have to spend 1 hour a day studying. You can cram before exams and get by on that. It all depends on your style. However, don't expect to ace your classes if you choose the cramming method, even though this might have worked for you in undergrad. If you can tolerate some mediocrity when it comes to grades, you don't need to spend substatial amounts of time studying every day. You do have to learn the material, but it's a matter of priorities. For me, that was an important decision. Medical school is not my life -- yes, it's an important PART of my life, but it's not the be all and end all. The difference between a B and an A might be studying 5 hours a day, and generally it's just not worth it to me. Sometimes I get A's, sometimes I don't. I always learn a lot, though, and what I do learn tends to stick with me just about as well as it does for everyone else (even the people who spend all their free time "studying" in the library). Basically, do what you're comfortable with, and don't get too obsessive about studying. It's all about choices and priorities. You'll need your sanity -- this is a long haul, especially if you're unhappy!