US States where you can practice Dentistry after completing a 2 yr Speciality Program

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BlueToothHunter said:
You don't have to have NBDE Parts 1 and 2 to apply to Master's research only program/or clinically-based programs. Each programs will have their own requirements for graduates of foreign dental schools.

I'm afraid I don't have a list available of such schools (that don't require Parts 1 and 2). The best thing is to pick three to four states that you'd think you would want to live for the next three years and then email/call around. There are exceptions you know despite what other people say about certain states... you never know.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Thanks Buddy,

It's a great help.I never knew this.With out knowing this i think i wasted 1 year here by doing dental assistant jobs.I have 5 years expereince in India as a full pledged Dentist and here 1 year as dental assistant.Your reply gave me a new hope.So, apart from my regular preparation for NBDE, i will start applying for Masters programs.So, as far as i got the news some states allow IDP's (who ever completes Masters programs) to practice in that same speciality ,right.Thanks a Lot.

If you have more news in this issue, plz post the reply or else if you can give your e.mail i.d. then i will mail you>But i feel it's better to post thread.So, that it will be very helpful for the people like me.I apprecite u r great effort.Thanks once again.All the best .Wish you happy Holidays to you and the family of SDN.

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Hi,
you said something about dental schools that are approved by california board??? which foreign schools do you mean? Just in Canada or anywhere else?

p.s.
I graduated December 2003 in Sweden. Imagine my frustration with these new regulation in CA.
Any advice? Comfort?









compdent said:
Hey,

Heres is some information from the ADA. I do know it limits you to a few states (18) but i guess it is still a much cheaper route and worth trying. If anyone has tried this let us know. Pls. also maintain this thread for only the related information.

You can practice Dentistry in Texas/ other 18 states if you do the following.

1. Complete a 2 yr. Specialty Program/ Masters degree. The Specialty Programs include
Pedodontics;
Orthodontia,
Prosthothetics,
OMFS and
Dental Public Health which will be relatively easy to get admission to. The clinical subjects are always hard to get admission to. If you are interested in the Clinical masters look into the websites of PASS and MATCH for further details.

2. Take National Dental Board Exams ( NDB Part 1 and Part 2)

3. Take another regional Exam

What this basically means is that if you get to Texas or any of the below mentioned 18 states and complete your MS, you can practice in Texas State without have to do Advanced Standing( the 2 -3 yr. program which is very expensive.) During Masters you will get University funding.( clinical and non clinical)


Here is the Url which has most of the links to the individual state boards

http://www.studentdoctor.net/dental/state_boards.html


( Taken from ADA International Student Handbook)

Eighteen states and the District of Columbia require graduates of unaccredited dental schools to obtain some additional training in dentistry in an ADA Commission on Dental Accreditation (CDA) accredited program.

ALABAMA
ARIZONA
FLORIDA
GEORGIA
ILLINOIS
LOUISIANA
MAINE
MICHIGAN
MISSISSIPPI
NEW YORK
OHIO
OREGON 2
SOUTH DAKOTA
TEXAS 4
UTAH 3
VERMONT
WASHINGTON
WISCONSIN
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

Currently two states, California and Hawaii, require foreign graduates to first pass the written National Board Dental Examinations and then a special preclinical exam known as a ?bench test? prior to qualifying to take the state or regional clinical exam. Those in California who fail the bench test three times are required to attend a two year program at a CDA accredited dental school. Starting in 2004, California will no longer administer the bench test. Only applicants who have graduated from a foreign dental school approved by the Dental Board of California or applicants who have completed two years additional training in a dental school approved by the Dental Board of California will be eligible for a California dental license. Applicants in Hawaii who do not pass the exam after the first attempt must graduate from an accredited or approved dental school as required of all other applicants. Wisconsin and the District of Columbia also require passage of a bench test, but only in addition to completion of additional education or training in accredited U.S. dental programs as well as the national and clinical exams. Some states, such as Louisiana, will license an international dental graduate by credentials after having been licensed and practicing in another state for some period of time.

1 Delaware--Applicants for licensure must complete a general practice residency or 3 years of practice in another state.
2 Oregon has created a pathway to licensure for international dentists in addition to completion of a 2-year pre-doctoral accredited program. An international dentist, who has completed an ADA accredited specialty program and has passed the Western Regional Board Examination, will qualify to sit for the Oregon specialty exam. Interested persons must contact the dental board for specific information.
3 Utah--If International Credentialing Associates, Inc fails to certify that the foreign school from which the applicant graduated met CDA?s accreditation standards at the time of attendance the applicant will be required to graduate from a CDA accredited dental program.
4 Texas ?International dental graduates can complete a 2-year ADA CDA recognized dental specialty program to qualify for clinical exam.
5 Minnesota Must allow foreign-trained graduates to take licensure exam if the Board determines their training is equivalent to that provided by an ADA CDA accredited dental school.

Source: ADA Department of State Government Affairs August 2002
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Hi,
I m not sure i understand this PASS/ MATCH ....can somebody pls explain... thanks.
also, if nyone who's been trying for speciality prog, has come across any univ which does not req NBDE 1 and 2 ?? kindly care to mention here; names of those states. If not nbde, wt other special req do thy ask of international students?? ( RESEACH ?? WORK EXPERIENCE ?? GPR/AEGD ?? )
THANKS.
mita.
 
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I suggest the best way to find the answers that you are seeking is to seek them for yourself! During your research, you will come across some information that you hadn't anticipated.

Simplest way is to call/email the program directors at the specialty programs.
Just write a well written, grammatically-correct email and mail-merge "ie. change the name of the recipient" and copy-n-paste. Sit back and watch your Inbox full up.

Each experience is different (although some similarities may recur) and each applicant will be different and offer whole lot of different assets... just like each program will offer you something just a little bit different. What makes them stand out above the rest? Well, they say the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You have the freedom to decide. Go for it!
 
sck said:
Hi folks,
i have researched this a lot and applied to a lot of places.. will keep u posted about my status.. Just wish me luck!! also, u need not take GRE for all specialities. Ortho does require GRE, but not all schools. if someone is serious about applying, i can guide him/her. i took the GRE though. Applying thru PASS is a good idea, as people who want to get into a specialty apply to atleast 15-20 programs.
i was checking the various dental boards about licensure after specialty and only Texas for sure does let u practise after specialty. ADA lists 18 states, but i emailed a few of them like New York and they denied of any such thing. they said u have to have a DDS/DMD. So, if anyone knows more about license after specialty, just let us know. also, there were questions about limiting your practise to the specialty, i would say that if u are a specialist u dont need to do general dentistry here. that's the fun about it.. and u would pursue specialty only if u are very keen about it, not to get a license.. just let us know more about practising after specialty training, if anyone has done some research by contacting various boards.



Hi sck!!

I am at a crossroad and wanna make a decision wheather to go for DDS or masters. I am interested in applying for masters in clinical speciality but restricted licensure makes me think on it twice. You have researched a lot and might help me. I wanna know that if we dont get a license(worst case scenerio) than what are the career oppertunities for clinical practice?? Can we work for some hospitals or hospital affiliated organizations??? or you are just stuck with academia???

My part 1 score is 94, toefl 263, gpa 3.8 and right now I am preparing for Part 2. Wanna apply for Masters for following year. Can you tell me the universities where you had applied and let me know about your status now..
I would appreciate if you can guide me as I really wanna go for masters but lacking some piece of information.

Thanks.
 
hi everybody,,

am a permanent resident of canada,, can sumbody tell me if am eligible to apply for masters program in US....
if yes, then do i have to come back to canada or can i practise general dentistry in US...
plsssssssssssssssssssssss reply,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
aim.
 
sck said:
the 1200 requirement is MUCH more than what engineering students usually score. its the total of verbal and quantitative sections, that is only 2 sections each of 800. and to get a good score in quantitative is not a piece of cake. GRE is a difficult exam which requires serious studying for 2-3 months to get a decent score. also getting into a specialty without an american degree is extremely difficult as has been discussed earlier.. also depends on what branch one wants to specialize in.
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HI,

I need u r help.I want to pursue Masters here in U.S.As far as the information i got from some state boards its not so clear.Its so much confusing.If u can guide me that will be great help.Any body who ever knows any thing about this plz post u r advices for me or if u can mail the details plz mail me on [email protected].I appreciate your great halp. thanks.
 
There is a new info (since nov 04) in the ADA website about U.S. Licensure for International Dentists
http://ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/us.asp
The part about the states that would consider graduates of specialty programs is not very helpful though. It looks that Texas, Mississippi, Luisiana, Oregon and Washington are some of those states.
My research added Florida in that batch too:

http://doh.state.fl.us/mqa/dentistry/dn_lic_req.html

quote : If an applicant is a graduate of a dental college or school not accredited by the Commission on Accreditation of American Dental Association or of a dental college or school not approved by the board, he shall not be entitled to take the examination required in this section to practice dentistry until he/she:

Completes a program of study, as defined by the board by rule, at an accredited American dental school and demonstrates receipt of a D.D.S. or D.M.D. from said school; or

Completes a 2-year supplemental dental education program at an accredited dental school and receives a dental diploma, degree, or certificate as evidence of program completion.
 
hey sck!
thanks for all the info!
could you please tell me if illinois gives license to practise after masters without dds?
also, which are the schools that do not require GRE for admission into masters program for clinical subjects?

u have written that you applied for some programs through pass.
did you have to give National boards part 1 and/or 2 ?? did you get any response? have you started your masters now?
whew! lots of qs i know.....but really need the help please!! thanks in advance!
 
mita said:
Hi,
I m not sure i understand this PASS/ MATCH ....can somebody pls explain... thanks.
also, if nyone who's been trying for speciality prog, has come across any univ which does not req NBDE 1 and 2 ?? kindly care to mention here; names of those states. If not nbde, wt other special req do thy ask of international students?? ( RESEACH ?? WORK EXPERIENCE ?? GPR/AEGD ?? )
THANKS.
mita.

GRE+TOEFL

rahmed
 
ivanBG said:
There is a new info (since nov 04) in the ADA website about U.S. Licensure for International Dentists
http://ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/us.asp
The part about the states that would consider graduates of specialty programs is not very helpful though. It looks that Texas, Mississippi, Luisiana, Oregon and Washington are some of those states.
My research added Florida in that batch too:

http://doh.state.fl.us/mqa/dentistry/dn_lic_req.html

quote : If an applicant is a graduate of a dental college or school not accredited by the Commission on Accreditation of American Dental Association or of a dental college or school not approved by the board, he shall not be entitled to take the examination required in this section to practice dentistry until he/she:

Completes a program of study, as defined by the board by rule, at an accredited American dental school and demonstrates receipt of a D.D.S. or D.M.D. from said school; or

Completes a 2-year supplemental dental education program at an accredited dental school and receives a dental diploma, degree, or certificate as evidence of program completion.

Well Regarding the State of Florida - It says that you ahve to complete 2-year supplemental dental education - advanced standing education and not advanced education to be eligible for licensure.
Thanks
 
I got in Masters in OPerative dentistry in Indiana State. SHould i go for it..
Any suggestions plz
 
If I were you, I wouldn't give it a second thought and grab the opportunity. I understand that even DDS/DMD people have hard time getting in Operative.

That being said, you could be in differerent situation than I am. If you are planning to stay in the USA for now onwards, DDS/DMD route is the safest.

Buddy, whatever you decide, good luck with everything! It is great news that you got in.

Somebody more knowledgeable will surely help you more.

I'm sorry I wasn't of much help.
 
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Well i also wanted to do DDS. But no luck, dont want to waste another year!!
i got part1 86
part 2 78
GPA 4.0
Toefl 260
mogembo said:
If I were you, I wouldn't give it a second thought and grab the opportunity. I understand that even DDS/DMD people have hard time getting in Operative.

That being said, you could be in differerent situation than I am. If you are planning to stay in the USA for now onwards, DDS/DMD route is the safest.

Buddy, whatever you decide, good luck with everything! It is great news that you got in.

Somebody more knowledgeable will surely help you more.

I'm sorry I wasn't of much help.
 
shaikh dentist said:
Well i also wanted to do DDS. But no luck, dont want to waste another year!!
i got part1 86
part 2 78
GPA 4.0
Toefl 260

Get your Masters. Join a faculty. Do DDS as a faculty member at fraction of actual cost. Then you have best of the both worlds -- faculty as well as private practice.

And all without wasting another admission cycle. BTW did you apply directly to School or through PASS & Match. I am asking this because Operative in Indiana U is one of my top target for 2006.

Best Wishes :luck: :thumbup:

rahmed
 
shaikh dentist said:
I got in Masters in OPerative dentistry in Indiana State. SHould i go for it..
Any suggestions plz

Congratulations on your admission. Is this at Indiana State or
Indiana University? You may want to ask the school if they know
of any states that will allow you to practice with a Master's Degree in
Operative Dentistry. I think that there will be very few states that
will allow you to practice without a US DDS or DMD, but I hope
I am wrong.

Also, do you know if faculty positions are very competitive without
the DDS or DMD?
 
Hi frnds, the infrmn u all've gathered is really helpful.I really appreciate this forum fr the guidance we get after being so badly lost here.I'm also planning to take admission in MDS.I've done sum search on diff sites, contacted few staff members frm respective dpartments.What i found is:
GRE is nt required in all the colleges, Connecticut school, endo deptt do take foreignstudents(the admsn starts in oct).I've just given toefl, as i came month back and now preparing fr nbde part i
 
Thankyou Everyone for the information!!!
I applied dierectly to the school
Everyyear they 5 students
I aiming for faculty postion, i have met poeple who have got job with only MS no DDS ans they are pratice in univeristy only... But there is no granteeee abt anyting when i graduate will there the same situation...
THen i know some poeple who have done this porgram ans when state boards of michigan states... ans some have joined that AGED program in minnesota....
for me i dont think i have anyother choice...
 
compdent said:
I agree getting into Masters for a clinical subjects is extremely difficult since most schools admit 4-5 P.G's each year.

Also note that your credentials have to be really good. For clinical subjects most schools require that you have graduated among the top 3 in your school.

I would say look into the eligible non clinical subjects. They may be easier to get into.


I'm a little dazed here! Is it really possible to do a master's in a dental speciality without a DDS/ DMD??? And also practice the speciality.
PLease help me on this, am at crossroads here.
Any guidance will be a boon.

Thanks
 
hi,
i am a foreign graduate,now in canada as a permanent resident.i am applying for AEGD in rochester.i would like to know the admission process and can i do private practice after completion of this program.is it feasible to join or should i retake part1 and go for DDS.
thanks














rahmed said:
Get your Masters. Join a faculty. Do DDS as a faculty member at fraction of actual cost. Then you have best of the both worlds -- faculty as well as private practice.

And all without wasting another admission cycle. BTW did you apply directly to School or through PASS & Match. I am asking this because Operative in Indiana U is one of my top target for 2006.

Best Wishes :luck: :thumbup:

rahmed
 
hai ,
can somebody explain clearly the difference between masters program and advanced education program and its scope after we complete the program.also regarding the visa .iam under L2 visa.and shall i do that programs with this same visa or do i need to change the visa status.my g.p.a score in E.C.E is 2.88.will the masters program or advanced education program accept with this SCORE .Are there any ways to improve my e.c.e score.please let me know.
 
DrRob said:
In wisconsin, I personally know someone who did dental training in Latvia, Endo training in Texas (baylor) - took part 1 and 2 and CRDTS. He know has a wisconsin dental license.

Hey Compdent,
you say you know someone who graduated from baylor?..Well ,i have applied for Endo program too in baylor...I have done my BDS from India.Had a good class standing But,My Gpa is 2.79[ECE}...Gre score is 1210 and toefl 280..am studying for part 1..could you help me out by asking your friend if these scores can get me into the baylor school....Also, someone told me tht baylor school accepts only those having a Green Card..but it was not mentioned anywhere in their Application form....if you can get any info regarding this...pls do ..it will be gr88 help..
bye
richa
 
Despite what we all think we know. Truth be told about the Ada. They have no federal or state jurisdiction they only have influence and accreditation going for them. If you pay close attention to Ada news you will see that last months issue for October news; we saw states like California and Florida told the Ada to go "pound salt" that means they said to the Ada who are you guys? When it comes to state laws, you are a private group and we all know the laws that govern private groups and what happens when they get to big for themselves. It would seem after a lot of the chatter coming from the new regime at the Ada, that this is their pompous attitude that they are and should be the sole governing body and standard for dentistry in the world. I am an American and I am ashamed of private companies such as these however much I respect them.

OK here is my point. Here in New York I have personally researched with my wife who is a lawyer, that the NY State law is perfectly clear that you only need two years in a university here in America to start the process to get the ball rolling on your lic. to practice which will be in NY only and in that specialty. Or applying priviledges to various residency programs no telling if they will let you in. If that is the rout you should take. So the reality is the choice is yours on what you want to do. I say, you deal with what you have and what you get. lets face it you will be fine once you get into the system regardless of where and what program you in, I assure you all.

Also my best friend got and 80 part 1 and 79 part 2 and they picked him up at Univ. of Florida because they needed to fill a spot ( this happens a lot , example U of Boston seems like they are fishing for P.G. people) and now he is in his 3rd year of prosto and he is the chief residence and believe me there are options that they are giving him that I cant speak about now, but they are a sweet deal if you ask me. Also the state of Florida will allow him to take the state boards and practice in prosto if he wants these are all facts I have the laws in my hand.

So, again the best advise is play your cards right. Take part one get a 88-99 or so apply to all the programs take part 2 score well do everything that is needed to get you in the door and you will be fine. - Bill
 
How sure are u about getting license in NY cos i am in perio progrm in BU here and when i tried to call NY state board , they said no they need people to do 2 yeard DDS/DMD.
I AM CONFUSED NOW .. HELP!!!

FIXENSMILES01 said:
Despite what we all think we know. Truth be told about the Ada. They have no federal or state jurisdiction they only have influence and accreditation going for them. If you pay close attention to Ada news you will see that last months issue for October news; we saw states like California and Florida told the Ada to go "pound salt" that means they said to the Ada who are you guys? When it comes to state laws, you are a private group and we all know the laws that govern private groups and what happens when they get to big for themselves. It would seem after a lot of the chatter coming from the new regime at the Ada, that this is their pompous attitude that they are and should be the sole governing body and standard for dentistry in the world. I am an American and I am ashamed of private companies such as these however much I respect them.

OK here is my point. Here in New York I have personally researched with my wife who is a lawyer, that the NY State law is perfectly clear that you only need two years in a university here in America to start the process to get the ball rolling on your lic. to practice which will be in NY only and in that specialty. Or applying priviledges to various residency programs no telling if they will let you in. If that is the rout you should take. So the reality is the choice is yours on what you want to do. I say, you deal with what you have and what you get. lets face it you will be fine once you get into the system regardless of where and what program you in, I assure you all.

Also my best friend got and 80 part 1 and 79 part 2 and they picked him up at Univ. of Florida because they needed to fill a spot ( this happens a lot , example U of Boston seems like they are fishing for P.G. people) and now he is in his 3rd year of prosto and he is the chief residence and believe me there are options that they are giving him that I cant speak about now, but they are a sweet deal if you ask me. Also the state of Florida will allow him to take the state boards and practice in prosto if he wants these are all facts I have the laws in my hand.

So, again the best advise is play your cards right. Take part one get a 88-99 or so apply to all the programs take part 2 score well do everything that is needed to get you in the door and you will be fine. - Bill
 
DentalDocCa said:
hi,
i am a foreign graduate,now in canada as a permanent resident.ii took nbde part 1 and scored 78%.i am applying for AEGD in rochester.i would like to know the admission process and can i do private practice after completion of this program.is it feasible to join or should i retake part1 and go for DDS.
thanks
hi dentaldocca, even i am plznning to applu to rochester AEGD. what r ur credentials?

also , if anyone ca tell me, is AEGD considered a program after which i can apply to states like florida, washington, MN, IL, etc.
thanks
mkot
 
mkot said:
hi dentaldocca, even i am plznning to applu to rochester AEGD. what r ur credentials?

also , if anyone ca tell me, is AEGD considered a program after which i can apply to states like florida, washington, MN, IL, etc.
thanks
mkot


Hi Guys,

I wonder what is about those master programs because ADA is saying yes and then No...it is very confusing.
Does anybody know FOR SURE how can we find out.

Probably just calling the schools?
But then the ADA will say they won't recognize your masters years..as you can see each year they came with another law...

Soo...if anybody knows something..
Thanx
 
drjennix said:
Since we have another active thread on "Masters Program For Foreign Trained Dentists", thought would bump this one :D!

As far as Oral Biology goes, I don't think doing a masters or PhD in it makes us eligible for dental licensure. This is because Oral Biology programs are basic science oriented programs. I would think that doing a MPH wouldn't give us this eligibility either!

About GME funding: true, as internationally trained dentists, we are not eligible for the funding. Students under this funding generally receive a monthly stipend and tuition waiver. Further, for every student admitted in the program under this funding, the school receives money towards training the student. So technically speaking, if a program admitted a non-GME student, it lost money! This monetary issue, added to the competition, made admissions to clinical residency programs very difficult! Currently many dental schools in the US are in a tight financial situation due to university budgetary cuts! So the funding issue assumes greater importance!
But here?s the news! There?s a chatter out there that the GME system of funding is going to be stopped by the federal government! Meaning, the specialty programs might bring about a policy change towards admitting international students! So, all you souls out there interested in these programs; it wouldn't hurt to contact your program of choice to see what their current stance on this issue is! GOOD LUCK! :)


:) hi
i was just wondering about the job opportunties after an ms in oral bio in us. do u have to really ve a phd. ll be a gr8 help if u can tell me the type of positions available fr a foreign dentist with an ms in oral bio. i m goin fr suny buffalo fr oral bio. any comments abt the uni
 
sum said:
Hi,

Could anybody please let me know, what would my oppurtunities be if I did a Masters program in Oral Biology with a certificate in Oral Medicine from California.

1. If I joined as a staff what would be my pay scale?

2. Are there any private organizations that promote research and pay better than what the dental schools do?

3. Would be help me in anyway to get my licensure?

Looking forward to these answers to decide my career path...


hi
i m just goin to join the oral bio deptt ms at suny buffalo! was wonderin wat yr seniors are doin after completing ms in oral bio

rohit
 
I went thru almost all the schools that accept foreign trainned dentist in advance education, but ultimately feel dds is the best coz if u r concerned about the cost it comes ultimately the same coz in most schools the cost is between $30,000 and $40,000 pre year. Mind u its just the tution per year n its a 3 years course.dont hope for stipend unless you have a DDS degree.
there r schools which have low tutions but thats almost impossible for a dentist with bds to get into .
so frens I feel spending a liitle more for DDS is worth coz you wont have that Degree " NON ACCREDITED " and wont have to limit ur practice to certain territory.
 
what about alabama state
can we pratice without dds if we have maeter degree or other


BlueToothHunter said:
1. Depends on many things such as your experience level, licensure or not etc..

2. Err... are you talking about commercial insititutions such as Proctor and Gamble, Unilever, Oral B (Braun) etc..? Sure they promote research. And they pay better than any dental schools. But, you'd better make sure your resume shows that you have proven past track record of good research. I'm sure they would only want to hire those who have worked with commercially successful ventures....

3. California... hmm. Nope. Having a masters would mean squat. You still need to go through the same procedures that the rest of IDP's go through. No special treatment.
 
anu said:
How sure are u about getting license in NY cos i am in perio progrm in BU here and when i tried to call NY state board , they said no they need people to do 2 yeard DDS/DMD.
I AM CONFUSED NOW .. HELP!!!

Yeah, I called them too; & they said that one has to have a DDS/DMD!
 
shaikh dentist said:
I got in Masters in OPerative dentistry in Indiana State. SHould i go for it..
Any suggestions plz

Congratulations; definitely go for it; don't miss the chance!
 
Operative dentistry is NOT a speciality as defined by ADA.
All you will get is a MS degree but it is of not help!


Spicy Icy said:
Congratulations; definitely go for it; don't miss the chance!
 
MMNdentist said:
Operative dentistry is NOT a speciality as defined by ADA.
All you will get is a MS degree but it is of not help!

Yes it is not a speciality. It does however allow you to practice in certain states as it is an accredited program. I am quite sure there is quite a few states to choose from.
 
c'mon freinds...plz guide me
 
Hey,
Whats the scope after doing masters in a non clinical branch?
Ana


I agree getting into Masters for a clinical subjects is extremely difficult since most schools admit 4-5 P.G's each year.

Also note that your credentials have to be really good. For clinical subjects most schools require that you have graduated among the top 3 in your school.

I would say look into the eligible non clinical subjects. They may be easier to get into.
 
hi master80,
i am gonig to try to answer your questions, this thread is very starved for information.i wish those already into speciality programs would come forward and write here about their personal experiences and give their valuable advice. but somhow it seems that not many people are taking this route for going directly into speciality programs without a DDS and getting speciality license in that state.maybe you could post your input if you end up taking this route.
but to asnswer your qs,
1)you MDS will definitely be a positive point in your resume when you apply to advanced standing programs, but that wunt be the deciding factor, you should have good part 1 scores , good gpa for some schools and some work exp for most schools .your mds wud be an added bonus.
2)there are some schools which take international dentists straight into their speciality courses, and having an mds in the same speciality wud come handy again. but again there are other more imp factors, like work exp in US for at least 2 yrs, good gpa in mds and bds and gre for most schools.
3)this wud require you to call all those 18 state boards directly and find out for yourself , coz some people have received a positive reponse wihle others were denied.but i am sure some states definitely do it.
i hope this helps you to start with, i took the advanced standing route so dunt know more abt it, but please do post in your input as you find more abt this as this thread is very starved for information.GOODLUCK

Hello friends,

Thanks to all SDNites for such wonderful work.wi
My profile is :-
B.D.S -GPA -3.94(ECE)
M.D.S in orthodontics -GPA- 3.88 (ECE)
Toefl -277
NDB-yet to take
Please guide me regarding the following:-
(1) Will my masters be a positive point when I would be applying to different schools for the advanced standing programs?Which schools give wieghtage to these M.D.S degrees?
(2) DO i have any chance of getting straightaway into a M.S ortho program (especially when I dont have any D.D.S/D.M.D degree)?
(3) If i can get into a M.S prorgam or any Certificate program (in a school from am0ong the 18 states listed above) related to orthodontics ,then will it allow me to practice only orthodontics in that specific state only?
please correct me If i have understood point no. (3) wrong
Waiting for the guidance
Thanks in advance
 
hi
As the discussion is going about alternative to DDS for US licence. I want to ask if the minnesota state board is still accepting foreign graduates without further education/training. I know they were accepting foreign grads untill last year as one of my senior was accepted for bench test . I don't know about his result as I lost contact with him. I checked their website and it seems that they still accept foreign grads for lincence without further training.
 
Hi,
I m not sure i understand this PASS/ MATCH ....can somebody pls explain... thanks.
also, if nyone who's been trying for speciality prog, has come across any univ which does not req NBDE 1 and 2 ?? kindly care to mention here; names of those states. If not nbde, wt other special req do thy ask of international students?? ( RESEACH ?? WORK EXPERIENCE ?? GPR/AEGD ?? )
THANKS.
mita.

Hi Mita,
I have been doing this research on speciality programs for quite a long time.And, I found this Tufts Universities OMFS program (4/6yrs) which does not require NBDE for admission, but may require before completing the residency. TOEFL is the only requirement for admission for a foreign trained Dentist.
 
:eek::confused:HI
I HAVE MASTER DEGREE IN ORTHODONTICS FROM CHICAGO 2005! GOT PART1 AND PART2 !
NOW I ONLY NEED TO TAKE THE STATE BOARD RIGHT?
I BELIEVE EITHER WREB OR CRDTS?
WHICH IS EASIER?
IN WHICH STATES I CAN WORK? I BELIEVE OREGON, TEXAS ARE THERE ANY OTHER STATES???????????????? :confused:
PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME!
 
:eek::confused:HI
I HAVE MASTER DEGREE IN ORTHODONTICS FROM CHICAGO 2005! GOT PART1 AND PART2 !
NOW I ONLY NEED TO TAKE THE STATE BOARD RIGHT?
I BELIEVE EITHER WREB OR CRDTS?
WHICH IS EASIER?
IN WHICH STATES I CAN WORK? I BELIEVE OREGON, TEXAS ARE THERE ANY OTHER STATES???????????????? :confused:
PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME!
Hi drIka11,
I am planing to go through the same process as you have already done! if you still check this thread would you please help me about your status of working in US now? it would be a great help for me to make a right decision. tnx
 
Hey,
Just wondering if you were from Bangalore, India? Your name sounds familiar.



Hi,

Could anybody please let me know, what would my oppurtunities be if I did a Masters program in Oral Biology with a certificate in Oral Medicine from California.

1. If I joined as a staff what would be my pay scale?

2. Are there any private organizations that promote research and pay better than what the dental schools do?

3. Would be help me in anyway to get my licensure?

Looking forward to these answers to decide my career path...

Thnks,
sumram
 
Hi,
I read some of your posts and you seem to be giving some fantastic advise, keep up with the good work. I am an MPH student and a foreign trained dentist. Would you know of any clinical masters program which might require only the part-1 NBDE. My interests are research and may be even academics. Do you have any idea about the pay scale for someone who has completed a Masters in oral pathology with an MPH? Let em know if you have some info, let me know anything anyhow. Look forward to your thoughts on this.
 
Hi,
I read some of your posts and you seem to be giving some fantastic advise, keep up with the good work. I am an MPH student and a foreign trained dentist. Would you know of any clinical masters program which might require only the part-1 NBDE. My interests are research and may be even academics. Do you have any idea about the pay scale for someone who has completed a Masters in oral pathology with an MPH? Let em know if you have some info, let me know anything anyhow. Look forward to your thoughts on this.

You should earn somewhere around 50K initially but remember finding jobs that too in some states will be a challenge. Your job probably will be in a Dental school. You can even get admissions w/t NBDE too.
 
:eek::confused:HI
I HAVE MASTER DEGREE IN ORTHODONTICS FROM CHICAGO 2005! GOT PART1 AND PART2 !
NOW I ONLY NEED TO TAKE THE STATE BOARD RIGHT?
I BELIEVE EITHER WREB OR CRDTS?
WHICH IS EASIER?
IN WHICH STATES I CAN WORK? I BELIEVE OREGON, TEXAS ARE THERE ANY OTHER STATES???????????????? :confused:
PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME!


Hi Drika 11,
where did you finish your masters in Ortho from, and did you first finish the two year advanced standing program.I really would want to know a program which takes foreign dentists into Ortho, since I am very interested in doing one.Could you please tell me which university you did it from, about the NBDE requirements,and any other necessary or helpful requirements.Please do reply.
Thanks in advance.
 
Since we have another active thread on "Masters Program For Foreign Trained Dentists", thought would bump this one :D!

As far as Oral Biology goes, I don't think doing a masters or PhD in it makes us eligible for dental licensure. This is because Oral Biology programs are basic science oriented programs. I would think that doing a MPH wouldn't give us this eligibility either!

About GME funding: true, as internationally trained dentists, we are not eligible for the funding. Students under this funding generally receive a monthly stipend and tuition waiver. Further, for every student admitted in the program under this funding, the school receives money towards training the student. So technically speaking, if a program admitted a non-GME student, it lost money! This monetary issue, added to the competition, made admissions to clinical residency programs very difficult! Currently many dental schools in the US are in a tight financial situation due to university budgetary cuts! So the funding issue assumes greater importance!
But here?s the news! There?s a chatter out there that the GME system of funding is going to be stopped by the federal government! Meaning, the specialty programs might bring about a policy change towards admitting international students! So, all you souls out there interested in these programs; it wouldn't hurt to contact your program of choice to see what their current stance on this issue is! GOOD LUCK! :)


[Sonia Sharma] hi dr.jennix......i m new to this thread and read so many of ur advices they r really worthy and ur work is appericiatable im foreign trained dentist preparing my application for masters in perio without NBDE and GRE.could u guide me with whom i should take recommendation letters to make me more acceptable....thank u so much sir[[email protected]]
 
[Sonia Sharma] hi dr.jennix......i m new to this thread and read so many of ur advices they r really worthy and ur work is appericiatable im foreign trained dentist preparing my application for masters in perio without NBDE and GRE.could u guide me with whom i should take recommendation letters to make me more acceptable....thank u so much sir[[email protected]]

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Sonia as my knowledge goes you would either need NBDE part 1 or GRE for applying to any of the masters programs... secondary letters of reccomendation from profs is more beneficial for a masters especially if you did some research and it got published things like that. Lastly perio is a tough speciallity to take just cause your limited to only that and jobs initially are hard.. with that said you definatley have a future in academics which also pays quite well..... all the best... my advice, make contacts in the schools you are trying to get in and see what they say
 
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