UPenn Perio-Prosth Residency

[RadBradW]

Is anybody in the Penn Perio-Prosth residency program? If so, how is it? How do you defray the high costs of the program? Thanks.

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[Calidental]

Is anybody in the Penn Perio-Prosth residency program? If so, how is it? How do you defray the high costs of the program? Thanks.

A lot of the big guys in implants, grafting and cosmetics come from that perio prosth program. From the 2 colleagues I now that went there:

on the plus.
1. Famous faculty
2. Can easily set up as "the implant specialist" in your area

not so plus

1.you dont get a prostho degree as its called periodontics and periodontal prosthesis.
2. at that time, before the hiatus there werent many prostho faculty.
3. due to economics they practice pros not perio, easier to start as a prosth and theyre making more money that way.
4. unless you limit yourself to one type of tx referrals may be a bit trickier than if you were a prostho or a perio.

 

[brengy]

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[biowidth]

I was offered a position in PERIO/PROS at UPENN program for 2010 and I don't have a clear answer to myself if it's worth such a substantial investment. Will appreciate your advice. I graduated in 1999 in Russia and have been doing implants and pros since then.

 

[mike3kgt]

2. Can easily set up as "the implant specialist" in your area

3. due to economics they practice pros not perio, easier to start as a prosth and theyre making more money that way.

You still can't call yourself "implant specialist" You can "limit your practice to dental implants".

I've heard the opposite re: #3. Prostho is much harder to start than a perio practice, but I would imagine that in your area or the ones you've heard, maybe prostho was easier because they could be very skilled GPs until they develop a prostho practice.

A lot of people are turning down 6-8 implant cases these days but many still going for bread/butter 1-2 implant cases. As Perio/Pros, you control the market.

I just couldn't imagine justifying the tuition $$$ unless you are foreign and have no other choice (licensure).

 

[brengy]

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[brengy]

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[payam77]

Hello People,
Does anyone know how many residents upenn perio/prostho is accepting every year?
and when the program will start for 2018 entry ?
by the way any help for the interview is very much appreciated !

 

[payam77]

Answer to your question can be easily found in school website.

Do some research yourself before ask here in the forum.

is that right !!
if the info was there I would not have asked this question !!
if you do not know the answer it is just better to be silent some times !!

 

[payam77]

From the website you should see that they mention PASS, and if you are smart enough to link all the information together.... It is the most basic thing one should know without me telling.
I am currently Penn student and know how to do google and know the answer of your questions and will not give you any answer or help because of your attitude.

there is no attitude. you were implying that I am lazy and that did not feel right to me . you could have said from the beginning that this info could be found on PASS ! and I would have done the research myself. I found the info on PASS as you suggested ! thank you !!

 

[payam77]

From the website you should see that they mention PASS, and if you are smart enough to link all the information together.... It is the most basic thing one should know without me telling.
I am currently Penn student and know how to do google and know the answer of your questions and will not give you any answer or help because of your attitude.

by the way, if you wanted to put this misunderstanding behind us and help , any tips for the interview will be very much appreciated ! or if you knew any source that I could look into ! and if you did not want to help , that's fine too ! you helped me already! thanks !

 

[DentinBond]

Is anybody in the Penn Perio-Prosth residency program? If so, how is it? How do you defray the high costs of the program? Thanks.

"If you have a lot of money, you can make a little money in auto racing."
Sorry, old saying, and I couldn't resist. It seems relevant to UPenn grad programs, somehow.

First of all, there are now both a perio-prosth and a straight prosthodontic program at UPenn. Details in the links I've placed below. This is a splendid development in my view. I'm a general dentist, but was trained at UPenn back in the day by a number of excellent perio-prosth grads and to this day still enjoy learning from them as colleagues who have deep understanding of the interplay between periodontal health, occlusion and dental materials. Well, the ones who haven't retired, anyway. Time passes.

And it's the changes that occur as time passes that lead me to answer your question. In the United States, from the 1950s to the 1980s when UPenn's perio-prosth program developed under Morton Amsterdam and other pioneers, it was common for captains of industry, brilliant scientists, trust fund kids and many other people of high socioeconomic status to have severely damaged dentitions. Mutilated dentitions. Rampant caries, advanced periodontal disease, missing teeth, posterior bite collapse, VDO collapsed ... heck, even presidents and senators looked like this. What this all meant is that a high proportion of the people with severe oral disease had the means to pay for the finest treatment available at the time.

Nowadays? Not so much. Many Americans with strong financial means enjoy excellent oral health, and barring trauma, will not in their lifetimes require a total oral rehab. We are left with the rather sad societal situation that many of our citizens who need the most dentistry can least afford it.

Of course there are many exceptions to all this, but these are the general trends as the oral health of Americans has improved.

In response, the perio-prosth and prosthodontic colleagues I know often focus on difficult challenges like creating implant restorations that ideally mimic the gingival architecture as well as the tooth contour and shade. Or pushing ceramic esthetics to astonishing levels. Or treating severe tooth wear, which is a notable exception to the above trends. (Which leads to one specific marketing strategy for prosthodontists--seek out the "Stressed Bruxing Executive.") And of course, dental implant technology has radically changed our views on fixed bridges, in different ways in every individual practitioner's mind.

I still see a rich, varied, meaningful future for American prosthodontics. I just don't imagine that it's going to look much like its past.

Here are the UPenn program links just for reference. In both programs, the faculty are brilliant, energetic, caring people who want their residents to succeed.

Periodontal Prosthesis Program | Graduate Dental Education Programs | Academic Programs & Admissions | Penn Dental School

Prosthodontic Program | Graduate Dental Education Programs | Academic Programs & Admissions | Penn Dental School

 

[periopocket]

This program is way to costly at 400k....I would look for programs that offer a stipend

 

[schmoob]

Don't be such a dbag. I found it in 2 seconds. They accept 3. Program starts July 1st.


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[payam77]

Hello People ,
Does anyone know if upenn closed the interview process for perio/prostho ?
Do they inform if you were not invited for an interview ?
I have not heard from them and I assume it is pretty late already!
Thought ?
Thanks in advance !

 

[gumgardener22]

This program is way to costly at 400k....I would look for programs that offer a stipend

what do you think about programs with stipends, but a new director?

 

[payam77]

Thanks for your comprehensive reply!
By any chance do you know if they have closed the interview process for perio/prostho ? I have not heard from them and it is becoming pretty late !
Thanks!

"If you have a lot of money, you can make a little money in auto racing."
Sorry, old saying, and I couldn't resist. It seems relevant to UPenn grad programs, somehow.

First of all, there are now both a perio-prosth and a straight prosthodontic program at UPenn. Details in the links I've placed below. This is a splendid development in my view. I'm a general dentist, but was trained at UPenn back in the day by a number of excellent perio-prosth grads and to this day still enjoy learning from them as colleagues who have deep understanding of the interplay between periodontal health, occlusion and dental materials. Well, the ones who haven't retired, anyway. Time passes.

And it's the changes that occur as time passes that lead me to answer your question. In the United States, from the 1950s to the 1980s when UPenn's perio-prosth program developed under Morton Amsterdam and other pioneers, it was common for captains of industry, brilliant scientists, trust fund kids and many other people of high socioeconomic status to have severely damaged dentitions. Mutilated dentitions. Rampant caries, advanced periodontal disease, missing teeth, posterior bite collapse, VDO collapsed ... heck, even presidents and senators looked like this. What this all meant is that a high proportion of the people with severe oral disease had the means to pay for the finest treatment available at the time.

Nowadays? Not so much. Many Americans with strong financial means enjoy excellent oral health, and barring trauma, will not in their lifetimes require a total oral rehab. We are left with the rather sad societal situation that many of our citizens who need the most dentistry can least afford it.

Of course there are many exceptions to all this, but these are the general trends as the oral health of Americans has improved.

In response, the perio-prosth and prosthodontic colleagues I know often focus on difficult challenges like creating implant restorations that ideally mimic the gingival architecture as well as the tooth contour and shade. Or pushing ceramic esthetics to astonishing levels. Or treating severe tooth wear, which is a notable exception to the above trends. (Which leads to one specific marketing strategy for prosthodontists--seek out the "Stressed Bruxing Executive.") And of course, dental implant technology has radically changed our views on fixed bridges, in different ways in every individual practitioner's mind.

I still see a rich, varied, meaningful future for American prosthodontics. I just don't imagine that it's going to look much like its past.

Here are the UPenn program links just for reference. In both programs, the faculty are brilliant, energetic, caring people who want their residents to succeed.

 

[PTSD]

Do you know any recent grads from this program who say the extra expense and time are worth the cost? Do they get any referrals or is it purely from direct marketing to the public? If its just marketing to the public, why spend that much money and that many years in residency? Just spend a few hundred hours in study clubs/marketing classes instead of a few hundred weeks in actual school which might not pay off. After you've seen the proper power points and done one on a cow skull you can begin a self-taught unsupervised youtube based residency on your guinea pig patients. The current zeitgeist is that its perfectly fine to have a bad outcome as long as you are "just learning." Unless the patient is crazy or has no money, it will not be referred to pros. Why refer to perio when if the GBR, implant, soft tissue graft fails you can just lie to the patient and say that for some unknown reason their body just didn't accept the graft/implant. If you don't believe me, check out osseonews where its malpractice case after malpractice case and look at the comforting comments. Be careful assuming because you are perio-pros you will get referrals. The people who care to refer already have buddies they refer to and the new grads who are 400K in debt aren't looking to send implant/rehabs money out the door even if they barely understand how to do implants/rehabs.