Does anyone know any IMG friendly teaching hospitals that offer externships?
I agree with the above. If you ranked them, didn't match, and they didn't fill (and you were not in the couple's match), then the only possibility is that they didn't rank you. So now your questions are 1) is there any value to reapplying, and 2) can I contact them afterwards for feedback.
Reapplying - this is a mixed bag. My sense is that if they didn't rank you the first time, they won't take you in SOAP. As mentioned, they decided they would rather SOAP than take you. If they have a large number of open spots, they might decide that a known quantity is better than someone unknown in SOAP. Maybe.
Contact afterwards -- you certainly can do this, but don't expect much useful information. This is an HR dictum -- if you don't hire someone, you usually don't tell them why -- mainly because of risk of lawsuits. If they tell you "the residents you met with didn't like you", you might reinterpret that to "They didn't like me because of my ethnicity, and thus they discriminated against me illegally". So, you're likely to be told that there "were more competitive candidates". That said, it can't really hurt to ask.
I'm an MS4 at a US med school (matched) and have a friend who didn't match and is now going through SOAP. She is a US citizen and I don't know what her step scores were or whatever but this was totally unexpected--she's a good student and was not applying into a competitive specialty. How can I help, if at all? She has refused offers of company, meals, ice cream, booze, prostitutes (we were only kidding about the prostitutes but if she said it would help I would have found her one). She's completely isolating herself and I'm starting to get really worried about her.
What complicates this is that she did not actually tell anybody in our little friend group that she didn't match (8 of us, we're all very close). When she didn't show up to class on Monday afternoon (and hasn't been seen since) we thought something must be up... and then her roommate (part of the friend group) quietly confirmed that she did not match (overheard phone calls, saw behaviour indicating extreme stress, etc).
I am totally willing to pretend that this isn't happening if that is what will make her feel most comfortable. However, we have been friends for a long time now and I know that she is not good at asking for help, and that while she thinks that self-isolation is the best way to avoid shame she might actually feel better if she let us in.
I dunno, do any of y'all have thoughts?
I'm an MS4 at a US med school (matched) and have a friend who didn't match and is now going through SOAP. She is a US citizen and I don't know what her step scores were or whatever but this was totally unexpected--she's a good student and was not applying into a competitive specialty. How can I help, if at all? She has refused offers of company, meals, ice cream, booze, prostitutes (we were only kidding about the prostitutes but if she said it would help I would have found her one). She's completely isolating herself and I'm starting to get really worried about her.
What complicates this is that she did not actually tell anybody in our little friend group that she didn't match (8 of us, we're all very close). When she didn't show up to class on Monday afternoon (and hasn't been seen since) we thought something must be up... and then her roommate (part of the friend group) quietly confirmed that she did not match (overheard phone calls, saw behaviour indicating extreme stress, etc).
I am totally willing to pretend that this isn't happening if that is what will make her feel most comfortable. However, we have been friends for a long time now and I know that she is not good at asking for help, and that while she thinks that self-isolation is the best way to avoid shame she might actually feel better if she let us in.
I dunno, do any of y'all have thoughts?
"embarrassing, humiliating and generally awful"... can't be better said. These plus feeling lost and don't know what to do with my future and loan.
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I'm an MS4 at a US med school (matched) and have a friend who didn't match and is now going through SOAP. She is a US citizen and I don't know what her step scores were or whatever but this was totally unexpected--she's a good student and was not applying into a competitive specialty. How can I help, if at all? She has refused offers of company, meals, ice cream, booze, prostitutes (we were only kidding about the prostitutes but if she said it would help I would have found her one). She's completely isolating herself and I'm starting to get really worried about her.
What complicates this is that she did not actually tell anybody in our little friend group that she didn't match (8 of us, we're all very close). When she didn't show up to class on Monday afternoon (and hasn't been seen since) we thought something must be up... and then her roommate (part of the friend group) quietly confirmed that she did not match (overheard phone calls, saw behaviour indicating extreme stress, etc).
I am totally willing to pretend that this isn't happening if that is what will make her feel most comfortable. However, we have been friends for a long time now and I know that she is not good at asking for help, and that while she thinks that self-isolation is the best way to avoid shame she might actually feel better if she let us in.
I dunno, do any of y'all have thoughts?
Can someone explain how to apply to programs post-soap? How do I send my app? Do they need LOR? If so how do I get them to send them out?
This is a new legislation, applicants only this january were able to apply for licensure, and I looked at jobs that hire assistant physicians, I couldn't find one. If there's job security with this licensed career option, I would grab it in a heartbeatHey, can you describe basically what this is, and what you can do with it. Im possibly considering applying.
Step 1?One exam just flat lined my career completely. Unfortunate.
Step 1?
where are you getting this info from ?Me too, down from 114 to 44 to 14 now.
Just remember that failure is an action, it is not an identity. Good luck
One exam just flat lined my career completely. Unfortunate.
I'm wondering the same thing.Anyone know if they are going to call tonight? I mean if calls are only made Monday Tuesday and Wednesday there is no reason to sit and wait by phone right?
Anyone know if they are going to call tonight? I mean if calls are only made Monday Tuesday and Wednesday there is no reason to sit and wait by phone right?
Your school administration should have excused you for the week if you didn't match.I feel like this as been a absolute waste of time. I'm still rotating and missed almost 3 days of work. I had to beg my attending to take off. Still no calls or emails on my end.
That's pretty inexcusable. The M4s at my school had the study rooms reserved for them so they had privacy as well as attendings taking time out from their practice to help the SOAPers out through the entire process.I feel like this as been a absolute waste of time. I'm still rotating and missed almost 3 days of work. I had to beg my attending to take off. Still no calls or emails on my end.
Thought I'd share my experience in case it may help anyone still SOAPing. US DO student. Originally applied to Obstetrics & Gynecology. Above average grades, competitive board scores, multiple research experiences. I applied to IM, Peds, and IM/Peds during SOAP. Received interviews at 7 programs, most programs calling multiple times. Most were phone calls, one was face-time. Some calls were random, some were scheduled, some were scheduled and then they called hours after the scheduled time. I was basically on the phone constantly the last 2 days. I did receive an email in ERAS from one program saying they were reviewing my application, and would contact me later. I never heard anything all day from them, so I emailed them back my continued interest towards the end of the business day, and received an interview invite within several minutes of doing so. It seemed like first round calls were to see if they liked you, second round calls to sell you on them, then calls from current residents (if optional, I always said yes I'd like to talk to the resident), then third round calls to see where you stand and if you had any more thoughts or questions for them. If a program did not call me more than once, then I was not optimistic that I had a high chance there (I was correct about this). Programs also requested that I email them later in the day to follow-up. I luckily matched to my top choice program during the first round. I did not receive offers from all of the programs...what was clear is that the more a program communicates with you, and the more you update your interest in them, the better chance you have. So I encourage people to email or call the program directors, or the main person you were in contact with, and update them on your interest level again before the next round. It seems like the process of asking a girl out on a date...if programs are not 110% positive you will say yes (accept their offer), they may not ask. I am so grateful for this new opportunity, and I wish everyone else luck on SOAP tomorrow. Stay positive, I know it is hard.
Me too, down from 114 to 44 to 14 now.
Just remember that failure is an action, it is not an identity. Good luck
I'm a DO and I am in the same boat.Non-US IMG still waiting on first phone call...
Have you been talking to your Student Affairs Dean about your strategy?Would anyone hire a doctor without residency?
I need a career, and fast, to pay off this debt. I'll try again next year sure, but right now I need a good salary, not just some research salary.
Where do I look for work? Is any of this 4 years of education helpful for any kind of work or no?
Coming from a (n extended) family where I was the first one (unless you include in-laws and 2nd cousins) to even graduate from college, let alone get a graduate or professional degree, I still don't quite understand this philosophy (although I see it in friends and colleagues all the time).Problem is that residency is funded by Medicare funds, so they can't just increase the number of positions at will.
The real scam in all of this is the number of Med schools. Many people (including me) do not appreciate the bottleneck that is residency when first getting into medical school. In my case it's my family who always painted a rosy picture of Medicine without even saying a word about the negatives. I'm Asian and my father is a physician and that's just the way it is for many of us.
The worst part is that the rosy picture is usually painted by the almost/retired docs who haven't even had to retake their specialty boards since they were grandfathered into whatever specialty they're a part of. Never mind the fact that they made fat bank selling their private practice to a local hospital/MSG and basically only continue to work because, eventually, playing 144 holes of golf a week gets boring.
Have you been talking to your Student Affairs Dean about your strategy?
I'm sorry to hear that. They have a vested interest in your success.I'll give them a call tomorrow. But generally they've been unhelpful, with everything.
someone posted this link here, check it out: http://pr.mo.gov/healingarts.aspWould anyone hire a doctor without residency?
I need a career, and fast, to pay off this debt. I'll try again next year sure, but right now I need a good salary, not just some research salary.
Where do I look for work? Is any of this 4 years of education helpful for any kind of work or no?
Start with your Student Affairs Dean.I'll give them a call tomorrow. But generally they've been unhelpful, with everything.
But Gotta be a Bone Doctor! ORTHO OR DIE.