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sometimes the lesson needs to be learned the hard way. truly a tragedy that could have been averted had OP been serious about pursuing medicine.
Ok captain obvious. Reading is fundamental like I stated from the very first post I am not interested in comments regarding getting talked out of it especially from he said she said crap. I need real life experiences and stories from individuals who have or embarked on the Caribbean route.
But thanks for everyone's two cents I appreciate it.
If you were actually willing to do your own research, you would see that we're giving you perfectly sound and reliable advice. Excuse us if we don't let people with a good shot at US MD / DO shoot themselves in the foot for no reason.
When we talk about Carib schools, we are putting exceptions on those 4 Puerto Rico schools listed on MSAR?
San Juan Bautista, Ponce, Universidad Central del Caribe, and University of Puerto Rico?
How about them? Are they okay?
Yeah, I got itThey're not Carib. They are LCME accredited US schools.
Ok captain obvious. Reading is fundamental like I stated from the very first post I am not interested in comments regarding getting talked out of it especially from he said she said crap. I need real life experiences and stories from individuals who have or embarked on the Caribbean route.
But thanks for everyone's two cents I appreciate it.
Yeah. Your appreciation shows through clearly.
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But there are reasons -- An inability to delay gratification and a refusal to do adequate research before embarking on one of the biggest decisions of her life. Classic @Goro reasons why students choose Caribbean schools and why residency programs are wary of accepting Caribbean grads.
This one belongs in the Caribbean --
YES. 2nd this!You have a damn good shot at getting into a US school, especially DO.
lol okay. Thanks #depressionisrealYou have made up your mind. I PM you and told you about my experiences in SGU. In the US, you will become a doctor and practice but in the Caribbean, you have 50% chance of becoming a doctor and even less than 25% chance of practicing. For your information, we had classmates and faculty die every freaking semester out there on the Island. I don't know why but every freaking semester someone dies and that could be you dying over there.
It's all in your head.lol okay. Thanks #depressionisreal
Depression? You are very stupid if you think I am depressed. Few years down the road we will see who will be depressedlol okay. Thanks #depressionisreal
lol okay. Thanks #depressionisreal
Depression? You are very stupid if you think I am depressed. Few years down the road we will see who will be depressed
Sadly I was advised here not to go. When I went and sat in the same lecture hall with 1000 students I realized my mistake. Thank God I withdrew before accumulating lots of debts.Don't waste your time. She has all the facts. Everyone gave her factual information on why it is a terrible idea, and you gave her first hand experience about it--which is all she supposedly wanted--and still blew it off. She is going down there regardless. She just wanted to hear us tell her it was a good idea (or at least not a terrible one).
EDIT: Probably a better job outlook for DO cardiologists than MD counterparts from the Carib just FYI.
You're better off applying DO, as DOs had an 88% match rate into ACGME IM last year. Failing to make the prudent decision, SGU is the better choice of the two.Hi
I need help deciding which option is better in obtaining residency precisely in IM subspecialty in cardiology.
A little brief background about myself-- I am a 24 yr old African American female from Nigeria living in NY.
GPA- 3.24
MCAT Score- 502
No I don't plan on applying to US medical schools or DO because I missed last year application cycle to get in this year (I was originally going for PA switched path 3 months to my graduation last year) so I started studying for the MCAT and took it in September 2016. I don't plan on just waiting around to apply this cycle in the hopes to start next year 2018.
So I just applied to SGU based on the reviews i have been getting from SGU Students and working in one of the largest hospital (NorthWell) on Long Island NY they get a decent amount of SGU student in their residence program and actually do hire a decent amount of SGU grads and a few ROSS and SABA doctors.
I just don't want to fully rely on SGU so if anyone who can share their own personal experience or thoughts I truly will appreciate it.
P.S If you plan on talking me out of Caribbean medical school please keep your comment to yourself. I am fully aware of the pro's and cons on applying there. Thanks.
How is that reasoned approach to informing people about the risks of the carribean working out?Don't waste your time. She has all the facts. Everyone gave her factual information on why it is a terrible idea, and you gave her first hand experience about it--which is all she supposedly wanted--and still blew it off. She is going down there regardless. She just wanted to hear us tell her it was a good idea (or at least not a terrible one).
If you were actually willing to do your own research, you would see that we're giving you perfectly sound and reliable advice. Excuse us if we don't let people with a good shot at US MD / DO shoot themselves in the foot for no reason.
If you use the search function on this forum and type in "Caribbean" you will get loads of threads, several of them with many actual Carib students and grads who will give you the honest truth. Try to stick to the ones from 2014 onwards because a lot has changed since the early 2000's.
I'm going to tag @Mikkus -- a current resident who always offers honest advice in the allo forums with regards to the Carib route.
How is that reasoned approach to informing people about the risks of the carribean working out?
Don't do it! Am more than ten years older than you, and will be starting medical school this year. Reapply next cycle. With your stats I can assure you that you will be accepted to MD or DO school here in the US. Much better outcome for your future and career. Keep this in mind, one year delay may seem like a lot to you now, but consider the fact that it my take you up to 5 years to graduate from a Caribbean med school due to delays in clinical rotations. Furthermore, most residency programs (especially for a competitive subspecialty such as cardiology) do not consider IMGs, period. Nothing is impossible, but the odds would be against you with a Caribbean MD. Times have changed. It is not like the old days when it did not matter much were you graduated from. There are lots of Nigerian Cardiologist out there. Reach out to one of them for advice. You have a bright future ahead of you. One bad mistake due to impatience can ruin it for you. Everybody here is saying pretty much the same thing. Is it possible that they are all wrong? Enough said.Hi
I need help deciding which option is better in obtaining residency precisely in IM subspecialty in cardiology.
A little brief background about myself-- I am a 24 yr old African American female from Nigeria living in NY.
GPA- 3.24
MCAT Score- 502
No I don't plan on applying to US medical schools or DO because I missed last year application cycle to get in this year (I was originally going for PA switched path 3 months to my graduation last year) so I started studying for the MCAT and took it in September 2016. I don't plan on just waiting around to apply this cycle in the hopes to start next year 2018.
So I just applied to SGU based on the reviews i have been getting from SGU Students and working in one of the largest hospital (NorthWell) on Long Island NY they get a decent amount of SGU student in their residence program and actually do hire a decent amount of SGU grads and a few ROSS and SABA doctors.
I just don't want to fully rely on SGU so if anyone who can share their own personal experience or thoughts I truly will appreciate it.
P.S If you plan on talking me out of Caribbean medical school please keep your comment to yourself. I am fully aware of the pro's and cons on applying there. Thanks.
Hi
I need help deciding which option is better in obtaining residency precisely in IM subspecialty in cardiology.
A little brief background about myself-- I am a 24 yr old African American female from Nigeria living in NY.
GPA- 3.24
MCAT Score- 502
No I don't plan on applying to US medical schools or DO because I missed last year application cycle to get in this year (I was originally going for PA switched path 3 months to my graduation last year) so I started studying for the MCAT and took it in September 2016. I don't plan on just waiting around to apply this cycle in the hopes to start next year 2018.
So I just applied to SGU based on the reviews i have been getting from SGU Students and working in one of the largest hospital (NorthWell) on Long Island NY they get a decent amount of SGU student in their residence program and actually do hire a decent amount of SGU grads and a few ROSS and SABA doctors.
I just don't want to fully rely on SGU so if anyone who can share their own personal experience or thoughts I truly will appreciate it.
P.S If you plan on talking me out of Caribbean medical school please keep your comment to yourself. I am fully aware of the pro's and cons on applying there. Thanks.
They are not Carib schools.. my god.When we talk about Carib schools, we are putting exceptions on those 4 Puerto Rico schools listed on MSAR?
San Juan Bautista, Ponce, Universidad Central del Caribe, and University of Puerto Rico?
How about them? Are they okay?
This is not a risk any student should contemplate off shore until doing at least 2 full application cycles with at least 1 cycle break inbetween at both MD and DO.
no I wont completely write them
off. They do produce doctors, though I would suggest students consider podiatry as well
It's been answered LOLThey are not Carib schools.. my god.
It's been answered? Please elaborate.It's been answered LOL
It's been answered? Please elaborate.
I recommend SGU. I've known quite a few good people do very successful in spite of what you read here.
I think matching medicine is not an unrealistic dream.
I would stay far away from DO though, any sort of MD/MBBS puts you in a stronger position than DO.
I'll pray for you tonight. I hope you find happiness in your life.Maybe read the thread. Also there are these little things called dates in the bottom left of each post so you can see when it was posted, I highly suggest learning how to use them.
It's been answered? Please elaborate.
Maybe read the thread. Also there are these little things called dates in the bottom left of each post so you can see when it was posted, I highly suggest learning how to use them.
I'll pray for you tonight. I hope you find happiness in your life.
It's been answered? Please elaborate.
Maybe read the thread. Also there are these little things called dates in the bottom left of each post so you can see when it was posted, I highly suggest learning how to use them.
Experience CalmI'll pray for you tonight. I hope you find happiness in your life.
Absolutely misinformed. Please do not spread this information without first looking up data.
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No, I have would have to disagree nor would I advise all applicants to consider them when all else fails. First of, a large number of students do make it thru and match and practice medicine. The big 4 alone produce over 2000 IMG US citizen matches a year, so clearly people do make it. Those consistently mediocre students that should never have considered medical school in the first place are the ones that the off shore schools really prey upon. But other situations and students may, in fact, may find success there. Those who really screwed up original UG and even with well-done postbacc and SMP still cant over come their original record who may have now spent 2 or more years retrying in US schools and show the commitment, it may be an unreasonable choice. Also those solid but unspectacular 3.4-3.5 students who just cant catch a break in the regular cycle. Remember how competitive it is for those and they may simply have lost out. So for most students I wouldnt advise it. For some who I see who have worked hard, who show commitment, but overcome earlier hurdles, it may still be viable. I would imagine 8 out of 10 "low end" students who aske me for help, I simply wouldnt suggest it. For that other 1 or 2, whom I have worked with on a US cycle, I may see them being mature enough and motivated enough and aware enough of the reality to suggest it.
All the best in your DO career
lol.If the Caribbean medical schools are so risky as everyone has stated, how are they able to award an M.D.? Isn't there an accrediting body for medical education, like lcme or something? Why doesn't somebody do something?
All the best in your DO career
I recommend SGU. I've known quite a few good people do very successful in spite of what you read here.
I think matching medicine is not an unrealistic dream.
I would stay far away from DO though, any sort of MD/MBBS puts you in a stronger position than DO.
All the best in your DO career
If the Caribbean medical schools are so risky as everyone has stated, how are they able to award an M.D.? Isn't there an accrediting body for medical education, like lcme or something? Why doesn't somebody do something?
I recommend SGU. I've known quite a few good people do very successful in spite of what you read here.
I think matching medicine is not an unrealistic dream.
I would stay far away from DO though, any sort of MD/MBBS puts you in a stronger position than DO.