Residency possible with disability?

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philic1013

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I'm currently an undergrad, and am trying to decide if I'm wasting all my time with the pre-med work.

I've always wanted to go into medicine, but recently, Dx'ed with Narcolepsy, which is covered under ADA laws. Its not that bad, no cataplexy, but I simply don't function if I cant get my 8-10 hours unbroken sleep.

How does this factor into a residency? I could never physically handle a 24/30 whatever hour shift, and my "sleep" is medicated so I couldn't do that when the going was slow.

Does anyone know if they make arrangements for people like this? Is it even possible? Anyone know of any success stories? I've been just telling myself I'll deal with it when I'm there, but the extra long shifts are unavoidable, I'm rethinking all the pre-med undergrad work I'm doing right now.

Opinions welcome,

Jason

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I don't know for sure, so I would recommend you speak directly with your local medical school admissions office. On the unofficial side, I know I had to sign a form stating that I was physically and mentally able to perform the duties of a medical student and also when I started my residency. How this is applicable to people with disabilities, I do not know. However, I do know that some exceptions were made for some students with disabilities, but I don't know the specifics. The same goes for residency. If you do plan on continuing in medicine (which I encourage you to do, if that is what you want to do), do realize that your options will be limited (i.e. research, radiology, pathology, dermatology). Again, I'm sorry I don't have more definitive information to give you, but do try the Admissions office for more accurate input. Don't let this setback detour you from pursuing medicine!
 
philic1013 said:
I'm currently an undergrad, and am trying to decide if I'm wasting all my time with the pre-med work.

I've always wanted to go into medicine, but recently, Dx'ed with Narcolepsy, which is covered under ADA laws. Its not that bad, no cataplexy, but I simply don't function if I cant get my 8-10 hours unbroken sleep.

How does this factor into a residency? I could never physically handle a 24/30 whatever hour shift, and my "sleep" is medicated so I couldn't do that when the going was slow.

Does anyone know if they make arrangements for people like this? Is it even possible? Anyone know of any success stories? I've been just telling myself I'll deal with it when I'm there, but the extra long shifts are unavoidable, I'm rethinking all the pre-med undergrad work I'm doing right now.

Opinions welcome,

Jason

Hi,
I can relate to your hesitation, but I don't think you're "wasting your time" with your pre-med work. I'm currently a resident and have delayed sleep-phase syndrome. Basically, my normal circadian rhythm is really shifted, so my natural "awake hours" are about 1 PM - 3 AM, and my "sleeping hours" are the opposite. Whenever I have an unregimented schedule (like when I was studying for boards), I fall into a schedule where I'm sleeping from about 4 AM to 2 PM the next day. I also have a long sleep requirement (ideally probably about 10-11 hours a night). Not a great match for med school or residency.

Here's how I've handled it. 1st and 2nd year are a lot like undergrad, except that you don't usually choose what time your classes start at. But you can still decide if you're going to go or not. My med school recorded all the lectures and put them online so I ended up watching many of them after they happened, something that worked great for me. I think most med schools do this.

3rd and 4th years, and then residency, are harder. But you and your sleep doctor should be able to come up with a med regimen that works for you. It won't be an ideal time of your life, and you're going to be more tired than you are now, but I think it's do-able. The majority of my months are q4 overnight call (so 30 hour shifts). It sucks, and I'm tired. But I make it work with meds (for me it's long and short-acting ritalin at different times depending on my schedule) on board. Do I like the fact that I need stimulants to do my job? No, but it works.

Here's some things to think about:
-Med students have some control over 3rd/4th year rotations. Required rotations are required rotations, but (at least at larger schools) you can pick amongst different sites, and you'll figure out which sites are more or less malignant
-There are definitly more and less demanding residencies, in regards to call schedule, average weekly hours, and so on
-Within each specialty, there are more and less demanding residency programs
-However, even if you end up at a less demanding residency program in a less demanding specialty, residency will still be hard. You will not be able to get 8-10 hours of unbroken sleep every night. I'm usually tired and I spend a lot of my time off sleeping. But it won't last forever
-Along those lines, residency is temporary, and after residency you can really choose your own schedule. Many people (esp in primary care) work part-time
-Some people choose to decelerate during med school and/or residency and take longer to complete. You might want to look at med schools/residency programs that offer this option
-There is a lot of research going on right now regarding residency work hours and the consequences acute sleep deprivation, chronic sleep deprivation, and disruption of normal circadian rhythms (all part of traditional residency programs). Change is slow in the medical world, but I anticipate that by the time you enter residency some of this new research will have positively affected the way residency education is carried out. I know not everyone agrees that limiting residency work hours is a good thing (especially those who aren't really affected by sleep deprivation) but for most of us it's a good thing.

I hope this helps. In the end you have to decide if it's worth it to you. If you can't picture yourself doing anything else with your life, then you'll find a way to make it work.
:luck:
 
Back in the '70s, there was a blind fellow that got into med school, and he did psychiatry. When I was a med student, one visiting prof told of a high-powered student that crashed his graduation-present sports car, and was paralyzed from the neck down, with only minimal movement retained in his distal fingers. He's a radiologist now. There was a guy that got stranded on Mt. Everest in the late '90s, who suffered severe frostbite, and lost most of both hands. He is (and was) a pathologist. In Rochester, NY, there are several (perhaps quantified as "many") deaf doctors and dentists, spanning a wide range of specialties. I know one person that is profoundly hard of hearing that is an ENT resident.

It can be done. Medicine is heart, hands, and mind. If one is lacking, work harder on the others to equal it out. Once you do, they all get stronger, and will make you a great doctor, and even better person.
 
The good advice and personal experience give a world of hope. I'm very torn as to what direction to take on the matter. My doctor, who is a nationally reknown specialist in his field, tells me that discrimination is huge, if not by professors and schools, then by peers as well. He stressed it so much that he asks me if I've formed a good career plan every time I visit. "nobody wants a sleep doctor" and "you can't take the treatment at night if you're on call" is what I hear from him. Students: is it really that bad? I know I could do it with some very minimal allowances, but I don't get those without telling the school and such. Right now, I'm planning on keeping it my secret and deciding once I'm at a school to let them know a year or two later, after I can get a hold of how I think they'll react. Once I'm admitted, I think I still qualify for american disabilities act protection against discrimination, unless they want to argue that I'm physically unable to think well, but hey, on a 30 Hour shift, who can?

Also, a rather newbie question: How do internships and residencies work hour wise. Are they all 30 hour shifts now and then as seen on tv? (obvisously no) I could deal with 6 weeks every few months of a hard internship, but for residencies, will there be long shifts in every residency field? Do all residencies get carried out in a hospital? I'd love to do a neurology or sleep medicine residency in a clinic that has fairly normal business hours.


Thank you all for the input and support.
 
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