Private practice salary offer...is it fair?

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He/she definitely deserved to get banned. He bumped an old crappy thread. That's 3 strikes right there. Forum death penalty.

All that aside - I know this forum has its own moderation style, but I personally think there's something to be said for "locking" necro bumps of things that have played their course. That thread was initially started with essentially a rant, in 2016. It played out - people stopped posting. But then along comes someone to bump it and set the world straight. Things just go down hill from there. Call it too much moderation but I posit it would lead to fewer bannings!
Yep.

Bumping all/dead threads is part of the problem; whether one thinks its legitimate in the case above, it annoys users and has the appearance of someone who's looking for a fight (i.e., you have to search for that thread which calls motives into question).

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As I was not directly involved, I cannot say for certain but that thread was contentious and we received complaints about it.

We are discussing the action amongst staff so I can get more information. But suffice it to say that going into a specialty forum, with established users, and posting with possible intent to inflame, will generally not end well.

You guys know this...it would be no different if an MD came in here and tried to tell you they were better than you. Inappropriate and TOS violating.

So the decision to ban was made before you had a discussion as a group?

"Possible intent to flame" as in prophylactic moderation? Is that where things are heading now?

How sad.
 
The whole point of the site is to encourage collaboration amongst different specialties. Which emulates real life practice. But reality is not prevalent on these boards.

I'd respond to the ignorance in that thread but probably would be banned as well.


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So it's ok for the ignorant allopathic posters in that thread to bash podiatry?

I've been a LONG time poster on these forums and was even a moderator once....

I see NOTHING in the thread where NP 2 DPM started a flame war. I only see a bunch of allopathic posters bashing and jumping all over NP 2 DPM and bashing podiatry in general.

The thread is an embarrassment and so are the moderators who over see it. It's completely unprofessional and I would LOVE to see any of the posters talk to me face to face like that in my hospital!


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Careful ankle breaker, you might be on the verge of telling it how it "really" is. Which only means your chances of being banned skyrocket.
 
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So the decision to ban was made before you had a discussion as a group?

"Possible intent to flame" as in prophylactic moderation? Is that where things are heading now?

How sad.
I'm trying to be helpful and transparent here; your persistent accusatory tone isn't helping.

The anesthesia forums have nearly always been moderated separately, by a small group of staff, and that has been supported by us for over a decade. They had done a great job moderating one of the busiest forums, especially with a large number of contentious and emotional topics. It is a difficult job. The rules for participation in the midlevel and anesthesia provider forums are clear to anyone with a passing familiarity and general internet etiquette mandates getting a feel for a forum before rushing in and causing trouble.

It does appear that the action against this user may have been premature but that does not excuse the user's actions: we have had complaints about them trolling in the FM and Pod forums, as well as Anesthesia. Someone who registers a week ago and searches for old threads on nurse practitioners, bumping contentious arguments up, isn't likely here for civil, professional discussions hence the comment about "possible intent to inflame".
 
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So it's ok for the ignorant allopathic posters in that thread to bash podiatry?

I've been a LONG time poster on these forums and was even a moderator once....

I see NOTHING in the thread where NP 2 DPM started a flame war. I only see a bunch of allopathic posters bashing and jumping all over NP 2 DPM and bashing podiatry in general.

The thread is an embarrassment and so are the moderators who over see it. It's completely unprofessional and I would LOVE to see any of the posters talk to me face to face like that in my hospital!


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That'll never happen in real life.
 
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I'm trying to be helpful and transparent here; your persistent accusatory tone isn't helping.

The anesthesia forums have nearly always been moderated separately, by a small group of staff, and that has been supported by us for over a decade. They had done a great job moderating one of the busiest forums, especially with a large number of contentious and emotional topics. It is a difficult job. The rules for participation in the midlevel and anesthesia provider forums are clear to anyone with a passing familiarity and general internet etiquette mandates getting a feel for a forum before rushing in and causing trouble.

It does appear that the action against this user may have been premature but that does not excuse the user's actions: we have had complaints about them trolling in the FM and Pod forums, as well as Anesthesia. Someone who registers a week ago and searches for old threads on nurse practitioners, bumping contentious arguments up, isn't likely here for civil, professional discussions hence the comment about "possible intent to inflame".

Honestly, hearing you say that the action may have been premature is a massive breathe of fresh air and certainly does much to restore faith.

I truly don't mean to be persecutory, but I worry that some frustration is coming across as such. I'm sorry for that.

Thank you, again, WS for the transparency.
 
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Good intentions or not it was too much coming on too fast.
Being oblivious to the culture is one thing, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Not doing your research or learning that lesson across multiple threads, that's a different story.
 
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Good intentions or not it was too much coming on too fast.
Being oblivious to the culture is one thing, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Not doing your research or learning that lesson across multiple threads, that's a different story.

So, coming on way too fast, not doing research before posting and telling it how it is are TOS violations now? Check. For a moment here I thought I was on a dating website.

Making sure we are all on the same playing field, so we can all play by the same rules.
 
And yet they tell us to use the search function instead of making new threads.

Yep.

Bumping all/dead threads is part of the problem; whether one thinks its legitimate in the case above, it annoys users and has the appearance of someone who's looking for a fight (i.e., you have to search for that thread which calls motives into question).
 
And yet they tell us to use the search function instead of making new threads.
There's a difference between bumping a recent thread to ask a relevant question and searching for and bumping an old contentious thread to start arguments.

The reason for the search function is that almost every question known to man has ben asked here, so sometimes you can find the answer without posting at all.
 
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There's a difference between bumping a recent thread to ask a relevant question and searching for and bumping an old contentious thread to start arguments.

The reason for the search function is that almost every question known to man has ben asked here, so sometimes you can find the answer without posting at all.
You need to become the White House Press Secretary.
 
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There's a difference between bumping a recent thread to ask a relevant question and searching for and bumping an old contentious thread to start arguments.

The reason for the search function is that almost every question known to man has ben asked here, so sometimes you can find the answer without posting at all.

This whole thing is incredibly disappointing. Getting as bad as YouTube comments over here...
 
There's a difference between bumping a recent thread to ask a relevant question and searching for and bumping an old contentious thread to start arguments.

The reason for the search function is that almost every question known to man has ben asked here, so sometimes you can find the answer without posting at all.

Thanks for clarifying the ban even though you didn't have to. I'm in support of the ban, it's actually doing him a favor. I think this forum has become a distraction for that student who should be studying instead of getting into internet arguments. Plus, his profile is so transparent, it wouldn't be difficult to figure out who he is and if he continues to be a prick he may be burning bridges before even getting there.
 
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Slow down.

I did not say those were direct violations of TOS.

The TOS comment was a guess before scapula came on and explained why.

If every post was held with a strict interpretation using only TOS, this site would be a cesspool of passive aggressive tip toeing trolls.

Part of upholding the integrity of the site means interpretation and judgement calls regarding every post.

Could mods have handled it differently? Yes.
Can the mods accurately sniff reoccurring themes from a mile away? Probably.

I trust their judgement.
 
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You're living expenses are low for 1/2 of the pod schools. Most are in expensive areas with 1k rent minimum/month. Some areas will be much more (NY, CA). You are looking at closer to 300k after 4 years if you do not get scholarships.

Just a wake up 300k is about $3-3.5k/month for 10 years at graduation with the current interest rate. That is a minimum 36,000/year.

And to answer your question you can't which is why no one should accept those positions unless you absolutely have to or there is good incentives and/or partnership down the road.

The best case scenario with one of those crap jobs is to learn how to run a practice and then bail. But 70k job with poor incentives is a trap that is destined to fail. Too many jobs out there are designed to take advantage of new grads. Our profession is sad on that front. Even more sad is people are willing to take those jobs so those offers will never go away. Many people offering them think it is fair because that's what they were offered.

I personally did not apply to a single podiatry practice. In addition to poor reimbursement, It's my opinion that slowly but surely the private practice model will die off. Too many of the independent primary care doctors are getting bought up by big hospital systems. Once a PCP is in a large hospital system that provider no longer can refer to the podiatrist down the road. The PCP now has to refer within the hospital system.

The good thing is pods are also getting swallowed up by large hospital systems and these jobs are becoming more available. My area is almost exclusively hospital based podiatrists or with ortho practices. Private practice would be career suicide around here.

The bad thing is hospitals can fire and replace you at the drop of a dime or decide to pay you less for really no reason at all.

Rural small private practice will be viable for a long time. But city/suburbia I would think carefully about as your referral source is dwindling.

This is why I shake my head at all those "I have a 2.8gpa can I get into podiatry school?" threads. Yeah you might get in. You will likely fail out and if you do make it through but don't change your habits/just barely scrape by it is not likely to be a good investment. Always exceptions but bottom students get bottom jobs.



whoever this guy is he hit the nail on the head. I also signed my dream job after residency DESPITE everyone telling me "no you cant make that much", "you're just a pod" etc etc. Let me be the first to state that these older pods, or as I like to call them mustache pods are the ones that are ruining our profession. They accept people who shouldnt be accepted to schools, expand schools and overall just eat their young. There are many exceptions of course but overall the profession is run by a lot of close minded greedy people. Once they weed out as time permits I hope the younger guys will be driven to make the appropriate push. With that said the good guys teach us younger ones well and make our profession look better by creating parity and relationships with the rest of the medical community and by being honest with those that they teach and interact with.

My starting salary (first year) is 200k without bonus in a multi specialty practice in an extremely desirable area near NYC. I anticipate to make 300k+ by year 3.

Let me tell you HOW I landed this job. There is absolutely no substitute for hard work and good social skills. None- I don't care if you got a 4.0 GPA in pod school, if youre an akward klutz, all that training is going to get you nowhere fast- Especially if you display elitism amongst your peers. FIX THIS FIRST AND DO IT EARLY. I worked my ass off in the face of discrimination from my upper years as a resident and even some attendings who saw me as a threat to their territory after I graduated from residency. I always made friends with everyone, orthos, plastics whoever I would spend extra hours in the morning and after work was done scrubbing cases and shadowing doctors. I made great relations with most of my attendings to absorb everything I possibly could.

My particular residency program has been around for 26 years and in those years I am the resident who has logged and scrubbed the most cases by quite a lot (according to my director). I always questioned tasks that I was assigned to by my upper years. If it was a waste of my time or education I politely questioned it and at times decided whether it was worth it. I cant stand elite programs who make you do busy work in the form of soft hazing. You have 3-4 short years, if youre in a program that makes you do unneccesary tasks that have absolutely no impact on your career ans a pod or a person then I would suggest making a change. Do it in the face of difficulty or discrimination. DO IT.. because guess what, when youre alone in practice, all that extra busy work your upper years made you do wont help you out of treating that pt appropriately. Now dont get me wrong most of the extra work that you get as a resident is obviously necc for your overall training, even at times when you dont think so. But if someone is making you unwillingly grab coffee or rearrange chairs in the office, yelling at you because they are insecure about themselves, do extra handwritten work that is meaningless.. you get what i mean. Toss that in the trash.

Rant over. Back to how I got the job. I did an elective rotation in vascular surgery, which at the time was brutal, just so I could get to know the chief of the department. That was it. All I wanted was to get some hands on work in the OR and to show face to the new chief. Long story short a cardiologist who operates in the OR next door kept seeing me during that rotation. He liked my work ethic and invited me to his office where he made me an offer I couldn't refuse. And here I am now typing on my lunch break from my office which I am extremely grateful for.

If you are ever discouraged by your peers or other pods... message me. You desreve to be paid what you are worth. You deserve to be in a job that you love. You deserve to be in a job environment where your colleagues show you immense respect and parity.

My recc:
1. Work extremely hard in residency getting whats best for YOU, work hard to impress others- someone is always watching even when you don't feel so
2. Pursue jobs in multispecialty groups or ortho groups first. I think pod groups are a dying breed and everything will either be absorbed or gone with the wind in the next 10-15 years. and if you are joining a pod group make sure you arent being swindled for easy labor for first few years. Get what you are worth and Future proof yourself
3. When youre ready create a binder that is custom made to the job you are applying to. Have in the binder your logs, presentations, letters of recc, letter of intent and 2-3 special cases you did with photos that you can explain to hte employer. something that shows your prowess in surgery and clinical judgement. Ex: Think profile black three ring binder with front pocket with dr. Smith's name on it. inside first page letter of intent, then CV then research then case studies and finally logs. Logs dont matter with jobs btw. Its all about persona
4. Be yourself. I got my job by showing my employer how ambitious I was and how dedicated I was to building this new practice for him. I truly felt that way, this guy is paying me a great salary and giving me the world of respect so in return I am encouraged to DO MORE because it feels like I am doing it to BETTER MYSELF and in turn better the whole practice. Be in a place that makes you feel like this.
5. HMU if you have any questions. Away with the naysayers.
 
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