PAs are underpaid and not respected enough for what they do...IMHO

[DrfluffyMD]

I just got waves of Fallout 3 flashbacks.

Twist: OP is a vault dweller

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[Big Bad Byron]

She doesn't really want to stop. She makes 3 times more than me too so I guess it's all a 1950 fantasy like ducky fluffy md said

 

[deleted407021]

...ducky fluffy md...

Haha!

 

[Localnative]

OP-
Um, wah. You sound like a spoiled man(woman)child. You're complaining about six figs and a fairly short course of training, comparatively speaking?
When was the last time you received a letter of intent, were involved in a malpractice case, were deposed, spent countless months worry about said case, etc?
You are a shift-worker with no call. You do not have a huge debt load. You make good money compared to other ancillary health professions. And you don't have to cut a check for a 5 or 6 fig malpractice premium yearly. Now THAT'S a sweet gig.
Stop yer whining!

 

[Big Bad Byron]

Here's a joke to lighten things up. What does Donald trumps hair piece and a thong have in common?


They both Barely cover a dingus!

 

[Big Bad Byron]

Here's a joke to lighten things up. What does Donald trumps hair piece and a thong have in common?


They both Barely cover a dingus!

dingus

 

[Big Bad Byron]

dingus

Butthole

 

[Light at end of tunnel]

Butthole

You joined yesterday, and are already on probation replying to yourself and spamming your own thread.

SDN is for adults.

Are you for real?

 

[DrfluffyMD]

It's a shame, because real PAs I work with are professionals and respectful indivduals who know their roles well in the team.

Pretty sure the OP is a child.

 

[GypsyHummus]

0/10 would not want to play Xbox live with.

It's a shame, because real PAs I work with are professionals and respectful indivduals who know their roles well in the team.

Pretty sure the OP is a child.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

You know, I don't mind dominating children in my favoriate video games, remind them that someone 20 years their senior can still utterly and relentlessly destroy them.

I like to remind basement kids that not only they just got absolutley rekted to the face with a rocket, their opponent also have a MD, has an amazing wife, can eat ice cream whenever the hell he wants and have the most pwnzor gear there is.

God their screams through the mics are so ****ing precious.

 

[Big Bad Byron]

You on PS4 ducky mcfluffster? Call of duty showdown?

 

[DrWhozits]

You on PS4 ducky mcfluffster? Call of duty showdown?

1v1 quickscopesssss broooo

Seriously though, incredible troll job.

 

[grapefruit17]

People fail to realize that the level of pay is not associated with how hard and how many hours you work. It is not associated with supply/demand either. It's mainly associated with the ability to give an expert opinion on very critical matters. It's the ability to think outside the box and troubleshoot when necessary.

For that reason, lawyers get paid more than the paralegals who do most of their work, generals get paid more than soldiers who put their life on the line, etc...

Doctors should are and should be on the top of the pyramid of healthcare providers. When everything else fails, they are equipped with the necessary knowledge and training to take control.

Physician pay is associated with supply and demand, at least in psych. Where I did my clinicals, in a rural area that was having problems getting child psych, they were making up to 600k for normal psych work hours. In my residency town which is significantly bigger/more psych available the pay is a lot less then that.

Unless you mean more along the lines of, in general healthcare professions compared against doctors which may of been your point

 

[hopefulERdoc251]

I do think it pays decent, probably quite fair for the time to invest to become one and the difficulty of the work. Sometimes I think I just wish I made a little more, and Im not really ready to work a lot of over time for it. Just saying I feel PAs should make higher salary for the type of work we do. Doctors prob should also, but I think there is a point say 350k a year is plenty don't really need more than that unless you live in highest Cost of living place in US

Lols false false false false especially that last statement. I'm not opposed to PA's getting a bump in salary but your last sentence is just silly.

Look at the surgical subspecialties that rake in money (neurosurg, CT surg, ortho). Those guys spend 5+ years in residency, work 80+ hours/week. The salary is justified per the type of surgery they perform + the extra training required compared to say FM/IM (not to rag on those specialties).

Also, not to **** on PA's/NP's/midlevel providers, but physicians have a higher degree of responsibility for each patient by virtue of the longer education. Not only that, but physicians will be signing of on all midlevel charts, assuming responsibility for the work the midlevels do. As long as that system is in place, no should midlevels get paid more than physicians. Why should you guys see lower acuity patients, assume no responsibility but get paid the same?

 

[Hotei]

If you wanna get paid like a doctor you should have gone to med school.

Edit: [Insert "go home and get your ... shinebox" gif that moderator removed here lol]

“errybody wants to be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift this heavy ass weight"

In on annual (monthly) midlevel provider troll thread

Spot for sale
Edit: Spot Sold to Myron Gaines

 

[Frazier]

I joined this forum yesterday after reading some of the threads and finding it interesting reading material as I have considered medical school myself. not sure if I will ever go, but am interested in maybe becoming a doctor, especially cardiology and emergency medicine. What surprised me the most after reading more reading here today is the level of animosity towards PAs and NPs. I have been working in and around NYC for almost a decade as a PA and rarely if ever encountered such hostile physicians towards mid level providers.
Anyways, I wanted to voice my opinion after reading all the hateful comments towards PAs here and that is we are underpaid and under respected for our work. The other day I saw 41 patients in a day in a primary care setting and brought home around $350 for the shift. One doctor I worked for used to go to the casino while I saw all his patients for $50 a hour or so. I figured I was paying for his blackjack habit as easily making him $300 a hour after paying me. he was such a degenerate gambler he ended up having to close his practice and also was investigated for fraud. But I was not involved in that, he was double billing I heard... I wonder if the doctor who works opposite shifts of me feels like he dislikes PAs, gloats over the double salary he earns, or genuinely respects the fact that PAs care for many of the patients at the urgent care practice with no problems in past several years Ive been here at least? Shouldn't pay go up some more with time or is like 100-120k the max a PA will be earning? My brother does accounting after a masters degree and is earning around 250k after 10 years, but im still around 115K in medical work? So is that the max we deserve to make even with learning new skills, treating ALL the patients alone, and years of intense training with continuous learning for next decade? Am I just not negotiating hard enough?

You are grossly underpaid at 350 for a full length, hustling shift.

My SO (PA) clears 160k working ~14-16 [busy] shifts per month. Consider finding a better gig.

Then again, I guess it is specialty dependent.

 

[Perfect Hair Day]

I got to drill a burr hole as a pa student 10 years ago. The neurosurgeon set it up so of course couldn't hurt them. I didn't even get paid for it! lol I mean I think some PCP/Peds/IM doctors are underpaid and a lot of time they have to deal with more BS almost like social work especially in hospitals with all the homeless and drug addicts, the surgeons get paid a lot more to cut people, you get paid best if you cut people.

There is a difference between doing something cool and different as a student when a safety net has been put in place ("Neurosurgeon set it up so of course I couldn't hurt them") and doing something routinely, with liability, to provide a life-saving intervention.




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[giantswing]

Dude let him keep going - he's illustrating why they get paid what they do...

 

[thepoopologist]

I joined this forum yesterday after reading some of the threads and finding it interesting reading material as I have considered medical school myself. not sure if I will ever go, but am interested in maybe becoming a doctor, especially cardiology and emergency medicine. What surprised me the most after reading more reading here today is the level of animosity towards PAs and NPs. I have been working in and around NYC for almost a decade as a PA and rarely if ever encountered such hostile physicians towards mid level providers.
Anyways, I wanted to voice my opinion after reading all the hateful comments towards PAs here and that is we are underpaid and under respected for our work. The other day I saw 41 patients in a day in a primary care setting and brought home around $350 for the shift. One doctor I worked for used to go to the casino while I saw all his patients for $50 a hour or so. I figured I was paying for his blackjack habit as easily making him $300 a hour after paying me. he was such a degenerate gambler he ended up having to close his practice and also was investigated for fraud. But I was not involved in that, he was double billing I heard... I wonder if the doctor who works opposite shifts of me feels like he dislikes PAs, gloats over the double salary he earns, or genuinely respects the fact that PAs care for many of the patients at the urgent care practice with no problems in past several years Ive been here at least? Shouldn't pay go up some more with time or is like 100-120k the max a PA will be earning? My brother does accounting after a masters degree and is earning around 250k after 10 years, but im still around 115K in medical work? So is that the max we deserve to make even with learning new skills, treating ALL the patients alone, and years of intense training with continuous learning for next decade? Am I just not negotiating hard enough?

If you can negotiate/find a job that pays more and works you less than your current one, then all the more power to you but you will only get as high as the market for PA's will allow. For example I would love to make 700k for a 40 hour week as a psychiatrist due to "learning new skills, treating ALL the patients alone, and years of intense training with continuous learning for next decade" but this is not what the market is paying currently. Also even though you may be working with docs, know your value and know that if you don't demand respect you won't receive it. If I was a PA working with the doc you described I would probably last a week before quitting to find a better situation, and probably report him because if that's what he was doing then f* him. I don't begrudge a good provider at any level for wanting everything they can out of their job, and on the opposite side of the coin any bad provider should get kicked to the curb. That said we are all in different groups with competing interests and so it may do you well to respect, know and play the game then become a victim of it.

 

[niko327]

Dude let him keep going - he's illustrating why they get paid what they do...

Umm, you do realize the OP is definitely not a PA, right?

 

[Goro]

It does baffle me that some PAs are making 100k+. Pharmacists making 120k I get, they go to school for 8 years after high school, 6 with special programs. PAs only have to do 6 years, the final two being just MASTERS level work.

It's not about the length of schooling...but what you do with it.

 

[Light at end of tunnel]

It's not about the length of schooling...but what you do with it.

Length doesn't matter, you say?

 

[bsfree]

ㄴ lmao

 

[857770]

I got to drill a burr hole as a pa student 10 years ago. The neurosurgeon set it up so of course couldn't hurt them. I didn't even get paid for it! lol I mean I think some PCP/Peds/IM doctors are underpaid and a lot of time they have to deal with more BS almost like social work especially in hospitals with all the homeless and drug addicts, the surgeons get paid a lot more to cut people, you get paid best if you cut people.

Hmm. I don't think you are a PA. But, I do think that you are a troll! By the way, after four years of medical school, residency can go on from 3 to 7 years. After all that training, hands down, doctors better be paid more.

 

[857770]

Eh, 6 years for PAs who have excellent flexibility and, as individuals, can make well above the median household income, versus physicians who go through at least 11 years of formal training to be locked into one specialty and typically are burdened with much greater debt. Seems reasonable to me

All this plus the liabilities that come with practicing medicine and being liable for midlevels.

 

[jhamaican]

if anything overpaid

 

[attitudeofgratitude]

 

[sharkbyte]

I hope you're not one of those PAs who insists on being called a Physician Associate rather than a Physician Assistant? Or like many murses who demand to be called doctors and even introduce themselves as doctor after getting their DNP. Many CRNAs in anesthesia have this kind of attitude too. The problem is tons of people want the respect and privileges of being a doctor or physician without going through the challenges, difficulties, and responsibilities of being a doctor or physician.

This. Then you have the guy on the bachelorette who takes it to a completely different level and introduces himself as a "chiropractor physician." I almost fell off my chair when I heard that

 

[DBV]

Just in response to the thread title... I'm pretty sure every worker in McDonalds from the janitor to the drive thru worker thinks they are underpaid and under appreciated. Who cares?

 

[IslandStyle808]

You know, I don't mind dominating children in my favoriate video games, remind them that someone 20 years their senior can still utterly and relentlessly destroy them.

I like to remind basement kids that not only they just got absolutley rekted to the face with a rocket, their opponent also have a MD, has an amazing wife, can eat ice cream whenever the hell he wants and have the most pwnzor gear there is.

God their screams through the mics are so ****ing precious.

Reminded me of a story I read on a COD forum long ago. I'll give the abbreviated version.


Little kid: LOL what are you playing video games at that age for. I bet your still living in your mom's basement also

Older guy: Okay, good luck trying to beat me kid.

(after team death match: older guy gets 20 kills/0 death and little kid gets wrecked)

Little kid: where the hell were you sniping from I couldn't even find you

Older guy: Oh from my mom's basement...

 

[DrfluffyMD]

Reminded me of a story I read on a COD forum long ago. I'll give the abbreviated version.


Little kid: LOL what are you playing video games at that age for. I bet your still living in your mom's basement also

Older guy: Okay, good luck trying to beat me kid.

(after team death match: older guy gets 20 kills/0 death and little kid gets wrecked)

Little kid: where the hell were you sniping from I couldn't even find you

Older guy: Oh from my mom's basement...

Bro I legit have ten 25x killstreak in cod mw2 for the spinny nuke icon. This was during MS2. This was before I knew people boosted for that.

I honestly could have had a 270 on step 1 and did plastics if I wasn't chasing after those stupid spinny nukes.

 

[Big Bad Byron]

i really had you fools going there.. Im not actually a PA but might become one. Im currently a nurse in New Jersey but plan to move NYC soon

 

[Big Bad Byron]

good to see old ducky mcfluffy is still around, i miss him. killstreaks are rad dooood!

 

[Big Bad Byron]

whats crazy is that no matter what you make in healthcare, alot of athletes make in one game, makes you kind of realize you should have worked on your ball handling skills more instead of studying....

 

[holdthemayo]

i really had you fools going there.. Im not actually a PA but might become one. Im currently a nurse in New Jersey but plan to move NYC soon

 

[Big Bad Byron]

hahahahahahaha

 

[WingedOx]

i really had you fools going there.. Im not actually a PA but might become one. Im currently a nurse in New Jersey but plan to move NYC soon

well in that case I feel sorry for you on both counts.

 

[dr zaius]

whats crazy is that no matter what you make in healthcare, alot of athletes make in one game, makes you kind of realize you should have worked on your ball handling skills more instead of studying....

As a urology resident I continue to hone my ball handling skills daily.

 

[bachprotege]

you don't think neurosurgeons, cardiologists, etc should make over 350k? Think about that statement. Whens the last time you had to drill a bur hole into someones skull hoping that everything went well? A cap on pay doesn't make sense. Thats kind of like a socialist perspective "no matter how hard you work you can only max out at xx".

OP probably was a Bernie supporter.

 

[Light at end of tunnel]

OP probably was a Bernie supporter.

Hey what's wrong with that!

i really had you fools going there.. Im not actually a PA but might become one. Im currently a nurse in New Jersey but plan to move NYC soon

This is you admitting you are a troll, man. Tone it down a bit.

 

[neoevolution]

Look at the surgical subspecialties that rake in money (neurosurg, CT surg, ortho). Those guys spend 5+ years in residency, work 80+ hours/week. The salary is justified per the type of surgery they perform + the extra training required compared to say FM/IM (not to rag on those specialties).

That doesn't really explain why they make so much more than gen surg though, especially cause gen surg lifestyle or stress are pretty bad compared to uro or optho or ENT. A lot of compensation is illogical due to government policy, just look at what derm makes per hour compared to gen surg.

 

[Trollest]

Interesting that the op says doctors are greedy basically, then says he deserves more money.

Slightly ironic. You meant you aren't doing this job for the warm feeling of accomplishment?

I actually have to agree, based on responses I question if this person is a pa or random sdn user

LOL

 

[Light at end of tunnel]

Got any tips?

Was that pun intended? Quite possibly a new level of wordly wizardry.

 

[Princeton Medical Student]

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[Jim Hopper]

OP ITT:

 

[Nephro critical care]

I don't think OP is a nurse. A nurse would show more maturity in his/her postings. I think OP is a high school kid. And likely not destined to be an MD or a PA.