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I feel like it's all fine when you're a practicing physician but idk how I'd feel if random people knew the what/where about my residency before I even started it...
Most academic programs will have your picture and name up on their website before your first official day of internship even starts. Whether we like it or not the profession we chose doesn't leave much for anonymity besides your home life.

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As long as they don't put my Step score up there, I'm fine with it. "Failedatlife, Family medicine class of 2021". Sounds good to me.
 
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Um? In about ten days, all the schools will have their incoming residents plastered on their websites. So sorry you don't like it but it's sort of how things work. PS: a resident IS a physician
Dang

Clearly, but I should've clarified that I meant a physician who completed residency.
Most academic programs will have your picture and name up on their website before your first official day of internship even starts. Whether we like it or not the profession we chose doesn't leave much for anonymity besides your home life.

Dang, I suppose that's just the way it is then.
 
As long as they don't put my Step score up there, I'm fine with it. "Failedatlife, Family medicine class of 2021". Sounds good to me.
Dont worry they will figure it out from the discrepency of the subject matter of your publications and your residency specialty.
 
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Dang

Clearly, but I should've clarified that I meant a physician who completed residency.
Naw. If you're practicing medicine, your quals/deets are fair game for the public. As it should be.

Anyway, let's get on with the lists! I get that we're all enthralled with the top tiers but let's see some of the others, please! ;)
 
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It's funny how the folks who are so adamant about "the way things are" have not a single match list to contribute but plenty of opinions :whistle:

Anyways, onward!

CLEVELAND CLINIC 2017 Match List

Anesthesiology

U Toronto

Emergency Medicine
Maine Medical Center
Yale/ New Haven Hospital

Family Medicine
Cleveland Clinic/ Fairview
Cleveland Clinic/ Fairview

General Surgery
U Wisconsin
UCLA

Internal Medicine
Beth Israel Deaconess
Duke
Johns Hopkins
U Wisconsin
Vanderbilt

IM/ Primary Care
Yale/ New Haven Hospital

Med-Peds
Vanderbilt

Neurology
NYP/ Cornell

Orthopaedics
UCLA

Otolaryngology
Harvard/ Mass Eye & Ear Infirmary
Johns Hopkins

Pathology
Stanford

Pediatrics
Cincinnati Children's
Pittsburgh
Stanford

Psychiatry
Brigham & Women's
Brigham & Women's

Radiation Oncology
Cleveland Clinic
Stanford
U Washington

Thoracic Surgery
Stanford

Urology
UT Southwestern
 
haha wow this list is insanity. I feel like the PDs at top programs just see "UPenn School of Medicine" on the app and then reflex send an interview invite, no matter what the rest of their app contains. Proves that the bottom of the class at Penn really might have more options than the top 10% of the class at normal med schools. At least the prestige prejudice isn't as bad as Law school though.

Well if you're the PD at top programs, you would probably go after these candidates too. The lowest in the class of Penn Med most likely (though yes I know there are highly qualified applicants all over, but as a general rule of thumb), think about the worst kid at Penn Med and you'd probably want him in your residency b/c he/she is still bomb.

lols....

poor guy who matched at Temple, hope he didn't drink him/herself to death by now

Temple EM is one of the hot, top, most sought-after EM programs now-a-days. That was likely (as is everyone at Penn Med) their #1 choice (after fielding off I <3 yous from other top 10 programs).
 
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It's funny how the folks who are so adamant about "the way things are" have not a single match list to contribute but plenty of opinions :whistle:

Anyways, onward!

CLEVELAND CLINIC 2017 Match List

Anesthesiology

U Toronto

Emergency Medicine
Maine Medical Center
Yale/ New Haven Hospital

Family Medicine
Cleveland Clinic/ Fairview
Cleveland Clinic/ Fairview

General Surgery
U Wisconsin
UCLA

Internal Medicine
Beth Israel Deaconess
Duke
Johns Hopkins
U Wisconsin
Vanderbilt

IM/ Primary Care
Yale/ New Haven Hospital

Med-Peds
Vanderbilt

Neurology
NYP/ Cornell

Orthopaedics
UCLA

Otolaryngology
Harvard/ Mass Eye & Ear Infirmary
Johns Hopkins

Pathology
Stanford

Pediatrics
Cincinnati Children's
Pittsburgh
Stanford

Psychiatry
Brigham & Women's
Brigham & Women's

Radiation Oncology
Cleveland Clinic
Stanford
U Washington

Thoracic Surgery
Stanford

Urology
UT Southwestern
Just the one opinion, boo. That once you're a practicing physician, as residents are, you're serving the public and as such your qualifications are public knowledge. As they should be because patients have a right to know these things about physicians treating them. But thanks for all the lists; your contributions are much appreciated!
 
When you become a physician, your name and address will be public information. The information you upload for your npi number will be easily searchable. Your education history is all widely available. You will be on doximity, healthgrades, webmd, zocdoc, vitals, etc. without your knowledge or consent.

Is there any way to avoid your address and stuff being posted? That is too much...
 
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Is there any way to avoid your address and stuff being posted? That is too much...
Generally, folks use their institution's address- department's, academic office etc. Although some do use their home address which, agreed, seems too intrusive for me.
 
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I find it incredible that many of these lists have more derm matches than FM.
 
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I find it incredible that many of these lists have more derm matches than FM. No one wants to go into primary care.
Eh, these first few sets of schools have been mostly the elite institutions that generally take high performers that might not be interested in primary care. More average schools generally have a good mix of primary care and specialty.
 
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Baylor's match list weaker than I expected, that upenn match list is completely insane though
 
There's inbreeding, and then there's Harvard-level inbreeding.

~74/153 (48%) Harvard students matched at Harvard programs

I wonder if having multiple top hospitals w/ their own programs exaggerates this even compared to other top tiers.

Then again, it's Harvard, so it could just be that.
 
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It's not about being a prestige *****. It matters where you train for residency and fellowship. It matters for your patients. It matters if you want to be the best doctor that you can be. It's no longer undergrad where all the sociology 101 textbooks are the same. In graduate medical education there are certain programs that will make you a more competent physician, it could even mean being able to perform new procedures that the vast majority of your peers cannot. Like TAVR in cardio. I'm NOT saying it's MGH or bust. But I'm saying there are certain places where you should really be aiming for if you wanna be the best IM doc you can be.

I think it matters to the point where you are seeing an adequate diversity of pathology and treatment, but really most large tertiary care centers will have pretty similar offerings in that regard. Sure there are a few things you might see/do at mgh that wouldn't be at *insert mid tier residency here*, but it's not like they have some secret medicine that only top tier places get to practice.

You can even look at it on the flip side, some of the top places I interviewed at where so damned niche that your bread and butter medical education ended up being very limited
 
The lowest in the class of Penn Med most likely (though yes I know there are highly qualified applicants all over, but as a general rule of thumb), think about the worst kid at Penn Med and you'd probably want him in your residency b/c he/she is still bomb.

Yeah that's pure bull****. Lots of people choose "lower ranked" schools for cost / location / etc. , and I know a fair number of former students at Ivy League med schools who had similar/lower MCATs and grades as med students at mid-tier state schools. Also, this "prestige" factor weighs heavily in med school admissions, too - a really bright student with a high GPA in a basic science coming from a State School is going to have a much harder time than a religion major from an Ivy.

What I'd love to see is median and 25/75%tile Step scores (or shelf scores) for different med schools. I'd wager that the 75th %tile at a "top 30-50" is higher than the 25th%tile at a "top 10".

Which is really a good reason to avoid academics/IM in the northeast. Everything is tinged with Ivy League elitism. Look at the residency classes on the West Coast - 3/4 of the "top" IM programs are at public institutions (UW, UCSF, UCLA), and they seem to draw from a much wider array of medical schools.
 
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Eastern Virginia Medical School 2017 Match List

Anesthesia
Allegheny Gen Hosp
Cleveland Clinic
Mt. Sinai
University of Arizona - Tucson
UNC
USC/LAC+USC
UVA
VCU

Dermatology
EVMS
Maryland
Utah
Wake Forest

Diagnostic Radiology
Florida
Loyola
Mt. Sinai
University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston
Wake Forest

EM
Christiana Care
Cook County
Emory
EVMS
EVMS
George Washington University
HealthPartners Institute for Education and Research/Regions Hospital
Louisiana State University (Baton Rouge)
Maricopa Medical Center
Naval Medical Center, Portsmouth
Rutgers
Stanford
Temple
University of Arizona- Tucson
University of Massachusetts
Texas at Austin Dell
York Hospital Program

Family Medicine
Arizona College of Medicine- Tucson
Baylor
EVMS (Ghent)
EVMS (Portsmouth)
EVMS (Portsmouth)
Kaiser Permanente Southern California (Fontana)
New York Presbyterian/Columbia
North Colorado Medical Center
VCU
Vidant Medical Center/East Carolina University

Gen Surg
Cedars-Sinai
GW
Maryland/Sheppard Pratt
PinnacleHealth Hospitals
WellStar Atlanta Medical Center

IM
Alabama
Baylor
Boston University
Brown
Carolinas Medical Center
Cedars-Sinai
Greenwich Hospital Association
Johns Hopkins University/Bayview Medical Center
Kaiser Permanente Medical Group (Northern California/Oakland)
Kaiser Permanente Southern California (Los Angeles)
Mary Hitchcock Memorial Hospital
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Mt. Sinai - Beth Israel
Naval Medical Center - Portsmouth
Naval Medical Center - Portsmouth
Olive View/UCLA Medical Center
Penn
Pitt
Rochester
Rutgers
UC-Davis
University of Nevada Reno
UNC
VCU
Wake Forest
Woodhull Medical and Mental Health Center

IM/EM
VCU

IM-Prelim
Drexel

Neurodevelopment Disabilities
University of Pittsburgh

Neurology-Child
Wash U. - St. Louis

OBGYN
University of Arizona - Tucson
Creighton
EVMS
Howard
INOVA Fairfax
Naval Medical Center - Portsmouth
Ohio State
Pennsylvania Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania Health System
Vidant/ECU

Ophthalmology
Albany
Wash U - St. Louis

Ortho
Cleveland Clinic
Madigan Healthcare System
Maimonides Medical Center
NYU
UNC

Otolaryngology
University of Missouri-Columbia
University of Rochester
University of South Florida *****i
VCU

Pathology
Vermont
University of Virginia

Pediatrics
Alabama
Brown
Case Western/Rainbow Babies
Cincinnati
Cincinnati
EVMS
EVMS
EVMS
Hofstra Northwell School of Medicine at Cohen Children's Medical Center
Hofstra Northwell School of Medicine at Cohen Children's Medical Center
INOVA Fairfax
Palmetto Health/University of South Carolina School of Medicine
Palmetto Health/University of South Carolina School of Medicine
Phoenix Children's Hospital
University of Rochester
Sidney Kimmel Medical College at Thomas Jefferson University/duPont Hospital for Children
St Christopher's Hospital for Children
St Christopher's Hospital for Children
UVA
UVA
Walter Reed
Wash U. St. Louis

Plastic Surgery
Georgetown

PM&R
EVMS

Psych
Brown/Butler Hospital
EVMS
EVMS
Naval Medical Center - San Diego
UC-Davis
University of Arizona- Tucson
UVA
VCU
VCU

Surgery-Prelim

University of Arizona - Phoenix

Thoracic Surgery

Michigan

Urology
EVMS
 
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Sidney Kimmel Medical College 2017 Match List

ANESTHESIA (10)
Drexel
Jefferson
Johns Hopkins
Loma Linda
Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Tulane
UC Irvine
Yale

CHILD NEUROLOGY (2)
Case Western
UT Houston

DERMATOLOGY (1)
Columbia

EMERGENCY (17)
Allegheny General Hospital – PA
Beth Israel Deaconess
Brooklyn Hospital Center
Christiana Care – DE
Drexel
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Kaiser Permanente-San Diego
Louisiana State University
Madigan Army Medical Center - WA
Penn
Penn State
Rutgers
St. John Hospital - MI

FAMILY MEDICINE (22)
Abington Memorial Hospital – PA
Chestnut Hill Hospital – PA
Christiana Care – DE
Christiana Care – DE
Drexel
Excela Health Latrobe Hospital – PA
Geisinger Health System – PA
Greater Lawrence Family Health Center/Harvard
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Kaiser Permanente-San Diego
Lancaster General Hospital – PA
Lancaster General Hospital – PA
MedStar Franklin Square Medical Center
Tufts
UPMC St. Margaret Hospital
UC Irvine
UCLA - Harbor
UC San Diego
UCLA – Santa Monica
Vidant Medical Ctr./East Carolina University

GENERAL SURGERY (18)
Albany Medical Center
Beth Israel Deaconess
Cornell
Dartmouth
Dartmouth
Pittsburgh
Jefferson
Jefferson
Lankenau Medical Center – PA
Lehigh Valley Hospital – PA
Mercy Catholic Medical Center - PA
U of Cincinnati
U of Louisville
U of Maryland
VCU
Wake Forest
Washington Hospital Center
Yale

INTERNAL MEDICINE (49)
Beth Israel Deaconess
Brigham & Women’s
California Pacific Medical Center
Cedars-Sinai
Cedars-Sinai
Cleveland Clinic
Cooper University Hospital – NJ
Cooper University Hospital – NJ
Dartmouth
Drexel
Hofstra Northwell
Indiana
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Lankenau Medical Center – PA
Lankenau Medical Center – PA
Lenox Hill Hospital – NY
Mt. Auburn/Harvard
Morehouse – GA
Naval Medical Center-VA
Northwestern
NYU
NYU
Penn
Penn
Penn State
Penn State
Riverside Community Hospital – CA
Rutgers
Temple
Temple
Tufts
Tulane
U of Chicago
U of Colorado-Denver
U of Maryland
U of Maryland
U of Maryland
U of Maryland
U of S. Florida
UCLA – Olive View
UC San Diego
UC Irvine
USC
UVA
UT Houston
VCU

MEDICINE/PRIMARY CARE (2)
Mt. Auburn Hospital/Harvard
U of Colorado- Denver

MEDICINE/PEDIATRICS (3)
Baylor
Case Western/UH Cleveland
Penn State

MEDICINE/WOMENS HEALTH (1)
Pittsburgh

MEDICINE/MED GENETICS (1)
Case Western/UH Cleveland

MED-PRELIM (1)
Greenville Health System/U of S.Carolina

NEUROSURGERY (4)
Jefferson
Johns Hopkins
U of Florida – Shands Hospital
U of Washington

NEUROLOGY (9)
Brown
Columbia
Jefferson
Jefferson
Johns Hopkins
Stanford
U of Maryland
U of Maryland
Yale

OB/GYN (7)
Albert Einstein Medical Center - PA
Lankenau Medical Center – PA
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Reading Hospital - PA
U of Maryland
Stanford

OPHTHALMOLOGY (8)
Eastern Virginia University
Geisinger Health System – PA
Henry Ford Hospital – MI
Jefferson
SUNY-Buffalo
SUNY-Buffalo
Temple
U of Washington

ORTHOPAEDICS (11)
Carolinas Medical Center
George Washington U
George Washington U
Jefferson
Jefferson
Temple
UC San Diego
U of Rochester
U of Tennessee
U of Utah
Vanderbilt

OTOLARYNGOLOGY (5)
Albany Medical Center
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Kaiser Permanente – Santa Clara

PATHOLOGY (7)
Hofstra Northwell
NYU
NYU
Stanford
U of Arizona
Walter Reed
Yale

PEDIATRICS (23)
Children’s Hospital - Boston
Cincinnati
Columbia
Columbia
Eastern Virginia
Einstein/Montefiore
INOVA Fairfax Hospital – VA
INOVA Fairfax Hospital – VA
Hofstra-Cohen Children’s Hospital - NY
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Lehigh Valley Hospital – PA
Nicklaus Children’s Hospital – Miami
NYU
NYU
St. Christopher’s Hospital – PA
St. Louis Children’s Hospital
Tufts
USC
Walter Reed
Yale
Yale

PEDIATRICS/PM&R (1)
Jefferson

PEDIATRICS/PRIMARY (1)
Einstein/Montefiore

PLASTIC SURGERY (1)
UCSF

PM&R (3)
Jackson Memorial Hospital
Loma Linda
VCU

PSYCHIATRY (8)
Albert Einstein Medical Center – PA
Albert Einstein Medical Center – PA
Cornell
Hofstra-Zuker Hillside - NY
Jefferson
Jefferson
Mount Sinai
UNC

RADIATION ONCOLOGY (3)
Columbia
Penn
UVA

RADIOLOGY-DIAGNOSTIC (9)
Bryn Mawr Hospital - NJ
Jackson Memorial Hospital
Jefferson
Johns Hopkins
Loma Linda
NYU
Santa Clara Valley Medical Center - CA
Penn
Penn

RADIOLOGY-INTERVENTIONAL (2)
Albany Medical Center
Mount Sinai

SURGERY-PRELIM (7)
Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Monmouth Medical Center – NJ
Mount Sinai-St.Lukes
St. Barnabas Medical Center - NJ
Temple

TRANSITIONAL YEAR (1)
Naval Medical Center - VA

UROLOGY (6)
Jefferson
Jefferson
Mass General
Mayo Clinic
Pittsburgh
Virginia Mason Medical Center – WA
 
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Florida International University HWCOM Match List 2017


Anesthesiology 7

Boston University
Jackson Memorial
Johns Hopkins
Montefiore Med Center/Einstein
NYU
U Southern California
UPMC

Emergency Medicine 3
Carolinas Med Ctr
NYU
U Cincinnati Med Ctr

Family Medicine 7
Eisenhower Army Med Ctr
Greater Lawrence Family Health
U Colorado SOM
U South Florida Morsani COM
U Texas at Austin
West Kendall Regional
Womack Army Medical Center

General Surgery 7
Baylor
Indiana University SOM
LSU SOM
Medical University of SC
Rutgers
U Tennessee
U Texas Health Science Center

Internal Medicine 19
Cleveland Clinic
Cleveland Clinic Florida
Emory
George Washington U
Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr
Hofstra-Northwell SOM
Icahn SOM Beth Israel
Icahn SOM St. Luke's
INOVA Fairfax
Jackson Memorial
Mayo Clinic
Memorial Health-University
Mt. Sinai
Naples Community Hospital
U Arizona
U Florida - Shands
U Iowa
U South Florida Morsani COM
UCSF

Medicine - Preliminary 1
Icahn SOM Beth Israel

Neurological Surgery 4
Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr
SUNY Upstate
U South Florida Morsani COM
University of Utah

OB/GYN 7
Jackson Memorial
Maimonides Med Center
Medical University of SC
NYP Weill Cornell
St. Barnabas
Tulane U SOM
Vanderbilt

Ophthalmology 4
Boston University
Georgetown U
Medical College Virginia
Sinai Hospital, Baltimore

Orthopaedic Surgery 8
Hofstra-Northwell SOM
LSU SOM
Maimonides Med Center
Mayo Clinic
Montefiore Med Center/Einstein
Orlando Health
U Arizona
U Mass

Otolaryngology 2
Rutgers
U New Mexico

Pathology 1
U Florida - Shands

Pediatrics 9
Baylor
Children's National Med Center
Medical University of SC
Nicklaus Children's Hospital
Ohio State
Rhode Island Hospital
U Florida - Shands
U South Florida Morsani COM
UC Irvine

Physical Medicine 1
Emory

Psychiatry 8
Jackson Memorial
LSU SOM
Medical University of SC
U Arizona
U Colorado SOM
U Florida - Shands
Vanderbilt
Walter Reed

Radiology - Diagnostic 6
Albany Medical Center
Florida Hospital
Jackson Memorial
U Chicago
U Mass
U Michigan

Surgery - Preliminary 2
Mt. Sinai
Rush University

Urology 1
Mt. Sinai
 
I find it incredible that many of these lists have more derm matches than FM.
I wonder whether it's also a difference in expectation and self-selection. At our school, the chief of the derm department came to a mandatory all-class session and said that any one of us could go into dermatology. Frankly, I'm sure it's more complicated than that. However, with that sort of endorsement and the name brand of the school behind you, an okay student from a top school would be more comfortable with the idea of going into a hypercompetitive specialty.

In addition, a lot of the fourth/fifth years who matched into family medicine (by choice!) seemed to be on the defensive when explaining their residency choices to their incredulous underclassmen.
 
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I wonder whether it's also a difference in expectation and self-selection. At our school, the chief of the derm department came to a mandatory all-class session and said that any one of us could go into dermatology. Frankly, I'm sure it's more complicated than that. However, with that sort of endorsement and the name brand of the school behind you, an okay student from a top school would be more comfortable with the idea of going into a hypercompetitive specialty.
T-20?
 
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Does everyone not see what the problem is with reporting step scores publicly? What will happen next? People will begin to say residents of hospital X are better/smarter than residents of hospital Y AND THERES PROOF NOW. If everyone's goal is to treat patients and take care of their well-being, stop comparing yourselves to one another and instead focus your efforts on working as a team to deliver optimal patient care.

Regardless of where you go, we're all going to end up doing the same line of work (academics aside). All this comparing does is make people feel insecure about themselves and it doesn't benefit anyone.
 
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Yeah that's pure bull****. Lots of people choose "lower ranked" schools for cost / location / etc. , and I know a fair number of former students at Ivy League med schools who had similar/lower MCATs and grades as med students at mid-tier state schools. Also, this "prestige" factor weighs heavily in med school admissions, too - a really bright student with a high GPA in a basic science coming from a State School is going to have a much harder time than a religion major from an Ivy.

What I'd love to see is median and 25/75%tile Step scores (or shelf scores) for different med schools. I'd wager that the 75th %tile at a "top 30-50" is higher than the 25th%tile at a "top 10".

Which is really a good reason to avoid academics/IM in the northeast. Everything is tinged with Ivy League elitism. Look at the residency classes on the West Coast - 3/4 of the "top" IM programs are at public institutions (UW, UCSF, UCLA), and they seem to draw from a much wider array of medical schools.

A lot of that is purely due to the fact that so many Californians are going to school out of state, and wanna come home to train. Has nothing to do with them being less élitist so much as it has to do with their focus being different.
 
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Yeah but people already do this, and the only effect is that instead of picking the best candidates to treat patients at these top level care centers, we just pick candidates from the best med schools, regardless of how well they did there or whether or not they deserved to be there in the first place. Transparency tends to even the playing field and create realistic expectations. Right now all we have is a self-fulfilling prophecy of "students from X med school get great residencies," which turns into, "students from great residencies get great fellowships," which turns into, "students from X med school are the Deans/Chiefs of every med school and academic department in the country."

You don't see a problem in the system we have, which touts itself as a meritocracy, appoints people to leadership positions as if it's a meritocracy, and is really just a self-perpetuating hype machine? Transparency tends to bring out equality and fairness. It works fairly well for medical school. The problem with that is the metrics are poor. Still, we have a good idea of who makes up each of those classes and what they did to qualify.


In the end though, how do you really and truly quantify who is the most "qualified" candidate for a residency spot? If I'm a PD at Penn and I'm looking at two applicants, one from Columbia with a 235 and another from a DO school with a 250, both with a mix of honours and high pass clinical grades, who do I pick? The person who scored higher on a multiple choice test may seem to be the more qualified candidate, but the kid from Columbia rotated at a program similar to mine, in a setting very similar to mine with faculty that I'm familiar with and has already shown that they can handle it. Their letters and evaluations are from people I know and whose opinions I respect. Meanwhile, the DO student who didn't train at a major quartenary academic centre is just a number, and I have zero idea how he would function in this particular setting. To someone at a major referral centre what does an honours in an IM rotation at a community hospital in Long Island mean? How relevant are their experiences? Who knows. Could they make a better resident by virtue of their board scores? Maybe, but it's impossible to tell. On the other hand, I have a much clearer picture of what I'm getting from the Columbia kid, plus the added cachet of having a Columbia MD as one of my residents.

Is it fair? No. But the reality is that all of us applying for residency are applying for jobs without any job experience - we're all generally unknown entities about to be given access to powerful drugs and control over patient's lives, as well being reflective of the reputations of our residency programs. In that context, it's obvious why top programs are super incestuous - they have no idea who they're getting, so at least getting someone from a similar program who managed to do well takes some of the unknown out of the process. Its the same reason why such a strong regional bias exists among mid-tier programs.
 
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Some good points and some arguments that PDs have been using for years that completely fall apart under any scrutiny.

In the case you mentioned, that's close enough where those factors do come into play, but it's also not what we see in practice. In reality there is a much bigger gap than that in terms of performance vs. placement. The real argument you can make for Columbia vs. DO school in close cases is that the Columbia guy likely has a track record of success longer than 4 years while the DO guy more recently got his act together. There is something to be said for the idea that anyone can study their ass off for two years for that perfect step score.

That's about where the valid complaints end. Honestly, most people are functionally useless when they start internship. You might have some book knowledge and familiarity writing notes and talking to patients, but that's about it. Medical school training is very necessary, but doesn't change that much from school to school because you're never really in charge of the patients and the quality of training is more dependent on the attending's teaching skills than on the environment. Maybe the guy who's used to the big academic center has a slight edge, but not much, and nothing that wouldn't be functionally obliterated in the first few months, when everyone is adjusting. Not to mention, with the type of discrimination we're talking about, it's not Columbia vs. DO and totally different training environments. It's Columbia vs. OHSU, and a med student will hardly even experience the functional differences between the two while working there. The track record of success argument falls apart too, because med school admissions are a crap shoot, and the difference between a top 30 student and a top 10 student is very often luck and circumstance. Same goes with top 30 vs. top 50, top 50 vs. low-tier MD, etc...

None of this accounts for the huge differences between the match list of a top 10 vs. a top 30 vs. a top 50 vs. any MD school vs. any DO school. A top 10 will have virtually all IM matches and nearly all other matches at top universities. A top 30 sees a few fall through the cracks. A top 50 will be lucky to send one guy to a top residency in competitive specialties, and even in IM they'll send 1 or 2 to top 10 programs. Low-tier MD schools send the vast majority to community programs, and DO students are lucky to get the specialty they want at all. That's a steeeeeep drop in match quality as rank goes down.

So while you mention real concerns, it simply doesn't hold up to the level of discrimination seen IRL. Top programs certainly know they're robbing themselves of higher quality residents by not choosing the top students from a number of schools rather than mediocre students from top schools, but ultimately it's about pleasing the chief and making the program look shiny on the outside.

So then if that's the case, why bother looking at grades at all, since what makes a top student vs. an average student is largely irrelevant to what makes a good resident?
 
So then if that's the case, why bother looking at grades at all, since what makes a top student vs. an average student is largely irrelevant to what makes a good resident?

um, so a program can figure out which plebs to use to fill out the rest of their ROL?
 
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Y'all seriously... This is a thread to share the match lists...
 
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Florida State University College of Medicine Match List 2017

Anesthesiology
(9)

Univ. of Florida Shands
Univ. of Utah
Univ. of Maryland
NY-Presbyterian/Weill Cornell
Univ. of Buffalo
Univ. of Illinois at Chicago
New York School of Medicine
Jackson Memorial
Univ. of Alabama

Child Neurology

Duke

Dermatology

FSU College of Medicine
Univ. of Miami/JFK Palm Beach/Jackson Memorial Hospital

Diagnostic Radiology
Mayo Medical Clinic-FL

Emergency Medicine (13)
NY-Presbyterian Hospital/Queens
Carolinas Medical Center
Thomas Jefferson
Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
Univ. of Texas - Houston
Beth Israel Deaconess
Univ. of Connecticut
Christiana Care Health System
Orlando Health
Univ. of Florida Jax (x2)
East Carolina Univ.
LSU

Family Medicine (17)
FSU College of Medicine - Tallahassee Memorial Healthcare (x2)
FSU College of Medicine - Lee Memorial
Mountain Area Health Education Center (x2)
Jackson Memorial Hospital
Self Regional Healthcare
Carl R. Darnall Army Medical Center
Wake Forest
Bayfront Health
Brown Alpert Medical School
West Kendall Baptist
Spartanburg Regional
Univ. of Alabama
WellStar Atlanta Medical Center
LSU
U. Penn

General Surgery (10)
Univ. of Chicago
Mayo Medical Clinic-FL
Naval Medical Center-CA
FSU College of Medicine - Tallahassee Memorial Healthcare (x2)
LSU School of Medicine
Medical College of Georgia
INOVA Fairfax Hospital
Memorial Health Univ. Medical Center-GA
East Carolina Univ.

Internal Medicine (13)
JFK Medical Center-FL
Mayo Medical Clinic - FL (x2)
Univ. of South Florida (x2)
FSU College of Medicine
Orlando Health
Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
Duke
Carolinas
Univ. of North Carolina
Jackson Memorial
Dartmouth-Hitchcock

Interventional Radiology
Univ. of Alabama

Medicine - Primary
Emory

Neurology
Univ. of Florida-Shands

Neurological Surgery
Harvard - Mass. Gen

OBGYN (18)
Morehouse
Univ. of Florida - Jax (x3)
Univ. of Florida Sacred Heart
New Hanover Medical Center
Mercy Hospital
Univ. of Texas Medical School - Houston/Hermann
Univ. of Tennessee
Barnes - Jewish
Hofstra Northwell (x2)
Orlando Health (x2)
Jackson Memorial
Mountain Area Health Education Center
Oschner Clinic Foundation
George Washington Univ.

Ophthalmology
Univ. of South Florida

Ortho Surgery (5)
Univ. of Alabama
Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
WellStar Atlanta Medical Center
Oschner Clinic Foundation
Univ. of Maryland

Otolaryngology
Univ. of Tenn
MedStar Georgetown

Pediatrics (12)
Univ. of Florida Shands
Memorial Health - University Medical Center (GA)
Florida Hospital for Children
Univ. of Alabama (x2)
Univ. of Virginia
Univ. of North Carolina
Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
St. Christopher's Hospital for Children
Miami Children's Health System
Broward Health
Hofstra Northwell

Psychiatry (7)
Jackson Memorial Hospital
Vanderbilt
West Virginia Univ. School of Medicine
Wright-Patterson Medical Center
Univ. of Alabama
San Mateo County Behavioral Health & Recovery
Univ. of Vermont (Combined Child/Adult Psych)
 
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