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The AMCAS Application will be opening soon, and with it comes a ton of questions. The "Work and Activities" Section is probably the most talked about section. For reference, here are three older threads that contain lots of valuable information about this section:

Great tips for entering your "Work/Activities" for AMCAS (2005-2010 thread)
*~*~*~*Tips for Entering your "Work and Activities" in AMCAS*~*~*~* (2011-2012 thread)
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2012-2013*~*~*~*
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2013-2014*~*~*~*
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2014-2015*~*~*~*
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2015-2016*~*~*~*

(Even though these threads are all quite long, you can still search those threads to find useful answers to your question)

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Please Note: This is a particularly difficult section of the application. On almost every point there are differing opinions, and ultimately you need to create the work and activities section that is best for you, but being consistent is important. Take all advice offered here as a piece of the solution, but often not the ultimate word on the subject.

This FAQ is a work in progress. Any suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.


Work and Activities FAQ

1. What is the Work/Activities Section all about?
This is where you get to talk about your extracurricular activities, or "ECs" as they are referred to around SDN. This includes things like research experience, tutoring, academic awards, volunteer experience, clinical experience, etc. Everything that you ever wanted an admissions committee member (AdCom) to know about you to show that you are in fact a good candidate for medical school.

2. What kinds of categories can I put things in?
Artistic Endeavors
Community Service/Volunteer - Medical/Clinical
Community Service/Volunteer - Non Medical/Clinical
Conferences Attended
Extracurricular Activities
Hobbies
Honors/Award/Recognition
Intercollegiate Athletics
Leadership - Not Listed Elsewhere
Military Service
Other
Paid Employment - Medical/Clinical
Paid Employment - Non Medical/Clinical
Physician Shadowing/Clinical Observation
Presentations/Posters
Publications
Research/Lab
Teaching/Tutoring/Teaching Assistant

3. What kinds of things should I put in each category?
Part of this will be a judgement call. Adcoms are aware that things may fall into more than one category. For instance, if you are a Lead TA, you may want to separate it into two entries, one for Leadership and the other for Teaching/Tutoring. If you feel like you are more deficient in one category than another, then you may want to list it in the category where you are lacking something to balance out your application.

Some examples of things to list in each category:

Leadership
-Club officer
-Student activism/government/Greek activities
-Starting a non-profit/student organization

Honors/Awards/Recognitions
-Academic awards such as honor societies, dean's list, etc.
-Interesting certifications or recognitions you have such as a black belt in a martial art, placing in a competition, certified as pilot, etc.
-Received competitive research position or project funding for which you applied.
-Phi Beta Kappa

Community Service - Medical/Clinical
-As LizzyM likes to put this one, if you are close enough to SMELL patients, it is clinical. This is pretty much the prevailing wisdom on SDN.

Community Service - Non-medical/Clinical
-If it doesn't fall into the above, you didn't get paid for it, and it isn't a leadership or teaching opportunity, it probably falls here
-Include things like volunteering for non-profits and charitable organizations, volunteer work you have done at your school, etc.

Teaching
-Includes not just TA or tutor, but also mentoring and coaching.

Most of the other categories should be pretty self-explanatory.

4. They are giving me a lot of space to describe each activity....how the heck should I enter them in? Is less more? Should I use up all available space?
Unfortunately...you will never get a clear cut answer to this one. But we can give you some possible techniques and advice

A - One school of thought is that this is not the time to pontificate. Describe the activity if it needs describing (if you think it is something an AdCom member will not know about) and otherwise, be pithy with your description. Many think that talking about what you learned from the activity is not appropriate in this section, and is better saved as material for secondary applications.

B - Another school of thought is that this is exactly the place to address why you got involved and/or what you learned from an activity because you may not get another chance in a secondary application. Those from California especially feel this pressure since most of the secondaries at California Med Schools are screened (you do not automatically get a secondary; they review your primary application first and decide if you are worthy). Because of this it is tempting to spew as much as possible here.

C - Approach C is a combination of the two approaches. Spew when necessary (an unusual activity that may need a little bit more explanation to understand its depth, and you learned a lot from but you are NOT addressing in your PS) and limited description of commonplace application items (ER scribe, general hospital volunteer, MCAT teacher/tutor).

You can really go down two general paths when it comes to entering the activities in: paragraph form or bullet points. Go with what comes most naturally to you, and don't force yourself to conform to a style that you think is inappropriate for the information you are trying to convey and your writing style.

Another trick for entering your activities is to use a catchall description that allows you to enter several different activities under one heading so that you are not wasting multiple spots. For example:

Activity: "Undergraduate Work Experience". Category: Paid Employment - Non-Military
Input the other header information (time span, total hours, contact, etc) for the first activity listed


Activity Description
Activity Description said:
Starbucks Barista
-Responsible for training new employees, customer service, and product ordering.
-Worked while attending school full time

Also:
Paid Intern - June 2008 - August 2008
Contact: Jane Doe, Secretary, 123-4567
-Worked at the Mayor's Office for the City of Memphis.
-Responsible for...
-Worked 40 hours per week while taking 1 summer class

Grocery Store Worker - August 2008 - May 2010
Contact: Jill Doe, Manager, 234-5678
-Worked as a cashier for a major grocery store chain
-Worked 30 hours per week while attending school full time
-Responsible for....
By using this method, you are able to save 2 spaces in the Work/Activities section, but still are able to show that you have significant work experience and experience juggling a job and school.

5. Is work experience really that important for me to list? Who is going to care if I worked at a grocery store for 2 years, 20 hours a week, while in college?
Work experience is ABSOLUTELY important for you to list. There is a fantastic thread about this topic here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=813497

The short version: the work/activities section is there for you to show off all of your skills. Holding down a job while continuing to be a learner (student) is a huge skill that not every medical student can bring to the table. It also shows commitment and an ability to tolerate some suckage, something that every job has, no matter how much you may love it on some days.

6. Should I really list that I was on the dean's list/in an honor society?
Again....two schools of thought here. One is that many applicants have these things, so why list them. The other is that they won't know unless you tell them.

Again, a good trick for entering activities is to have a catch-all category like "Academic Recognition" where you then list the X number of awards/recognition that you have received. That way you are not taking up multiple spaces for things you don't want to emphasize.

7. Do AdCom members really contact people in the "Contact Information" field of this section? What should I do if I don't have a good contact for an activity?
In the past, AdCom members rarely contacted these people. However, the application changed a few years ago to require either a phone number or email address for a contact for most activities listed. Especially if an LOR about the activity was not submitted, be sure your contact is up-to-date and even forewarned, particularly if the activity was substantial and adds great appeal to your candidacy. Some schools check these in detail (usually before, but possibly even after accepting you) and others not so much, but you won’t know which is which.

There are certainly some activities that are difficult to list a contact, like an activity long ago. Here are a few hints: It is best to include the most impartial person possible (so list your mom as your absolute last resort) but you might find the need to list your roommate or your friend as a contact. Remember, if the contact is called or emailed, he or she only needs to provide reassurance to the adcomm that you described the activity faithfully. These are contacts not references so the person who responds does not need to answer questions about your abilities to succeed in medical school. Also, please read the AMCAS FAQ answer to this question.

8. Most Meaningful Activities
8a. Is there any benefit to marking three activities as "Most Meaningful" vs. just one?

Again, there are several schools of thought on this issue:
i. You are only obliged to list one activity as "Most Meaningful." If you can express yourself in the first 700 characters, adding 1325 characters about two other activities might bore admissions committee members.
ii. Admissions committees will pay special attention to the activities marked as "Most Meaningful" so mark three activities that are the strongest part of your application. Be sure not to add fluff in the extra space, perhaps including a concise story to help illustrate the "transformative nature of the experience."

8b. What happens if I wrote about my most meaningful activities in my personal statement?
It is best not to repeat information on your application. There are two options:
1. Pick different activities as your "Most Meaningful".
2. Rework your personal statement. For example, you could use your Personal Statement to address a specific story, patient, or moment, then use the "Most Meaningful" box to provide a more general, big picture message from the activity.

8c. Can I use the "Most Meaningful" box to continue the description of my activity? For example, can I use it to list the citations for all my posters and presentations?
It is best to use the box as AMCAS suggests on the application. Some creativity will be tolerated. Just don't ramble to fill space.

9. If I talk about something in my personal statement, should I still mention it in my Work/Activities Section?
Yes, definitely. Be sure to review Depakote's Personal Statement Guide/Tips since it is a bad idea to have your PS simply serve as a regurgitation of your Extracurricular activities.

10. How should I list Physician Shadowing?
Physician shadowing now has its own designation so it is no longer recommended to list it as "Other".

Some recommendations when listing physician shadowing: Group all of your shadowing together, giving a total hours for each physician. Additional relevant information such as their title ("MD" or "DO"), level of training if not an attending (resident, fellow, etc.), or other notes about the shadowing (i.e. shadowed only during office hours for a surgeon, only during image reading for a radiologist, etc.) can be included. There's no need to describe what shadowing is.

Here's an example of how shadowing can be listed:
Experience Type: Physician shadowing
Title: Physician Shadowing
Total Hours: Total hours shadowed
Contact info, organization name, and dates: Use the info for the first physician you want to list
Description:
Activity Description said:
John Smith, D.O., Family Medicine resident
13 hours in June 2011

Also:
Jill Smith, M.D., Pediatrician
New York Pediatrics
800-000-0000
20 hours in June 2011

Jane Smith, M.D., General Surgeon
New York Surgical Associates
800-000-0000
13 hours in January and February 2011, during general and bariatric office hours

James Smith, M.D., Radiologist
New York Radiology Associates
800-000-0000
7 hours in May 2011, during image reading

11. How many spaces are there for activities? How many of them should I use? Should I be trying to fill them all?
You have 15 spaces to list your activities. However, most applicants DO NOT use all of them. You should not try to "spread out" your activities for the sake of filling more slots. Be sure that every activity is worthy of being included and that they all improve the admission committee's understanding of you as the applicant.

12. Should I really be talking about my hobbies or artistic endeavors?
If you have some, then list them! Not all adcomm members will read them, but some like to know what you do to relieve stress and unwind. Group them all together.

Some are confused between listing an activity as a hobby or an artistic endeavor. The prevailing SDN opinion about artistic endeavors is that they involve reaching a wider audience (ie publishing or performing instead of just writing and practicing). A hobby is more personal with a limited audience.

13. Should I list something that I plan for the future but haven't started yet? Can end dates be projected into the future?
The AMCAS application will not accept future months for your start date. If an activity is ongoing, the end date can be no later than the intended start of medical school (ie, August at the end of the current cycle). Note that some categories only require one date, like Awards, Presentations/Posters, and Publications.

14. How should I list publications? What if some of them are "submitted" but not actually accepted yet?
Publications are worthy of their own slot, even if you already have a "Research" slot. For contact, use your PI that you worked with. For organization, you can use the name of the organization that publishes the journal. For date, use the publication date, or if accepted for publication but not yet published, use the accepted date. In the description, it is a good idea to include enough of a citation for an adcomm member to find the paper if he/she is curious enough to look it up. Some adcomm members find it helpful to include enough of the author's list so that your place in the authorship can be determined.

If a publication is only submitted or needs major revisions, then it is still a future activity which you cannot include. If it is published, accepted for publication, or accepted pending minor revisions then you can include it.

15. How far back should I go listing activities?
Any activity you engaged in after High School graduation may be considered potentially relevant. Strictly speaking, there is no rule that you can't include a High School-only activity, but if you do so, it should add substantially to your application, so you aren't wasting space for something that adcomms are unlikely to regard. This would include Experiences that began during HS (or even before) and either continued into the college years or resumed sometime later. Examples of life-long activities that might help your application would be music or dance involvement.

If you are a nontraditional applicant, then your more recent accomplishments are the most important to highlight. In that case, consider grouping your most important college-aged activities together under the "Other" designation.

16. What order should I input my activities in?
It doesn't matter! The AMCAS application automatically organizes the activities in a chronological order. Adcomms can change how the activities appear for their report but you can't alter the order.

17. What if the "Total Hours" for one of my activities is more than 999 hours?
Though the directions state that 999 is the maximum hours that can be entered, one can now input 99,999 Total Hours.

18. How should I go about naming an activity?
-If your position comes with a title, you can use that if it reflects what you do adequately, eg, Vice President of a Student Rockclimbing Association (especially if the name of the organization is Hawkeye Mountain Goats, which doesn't tell us enough). Or, Research Affiliate, vs Research Associate, vs Research Tech, vs Researcher on Infant Cognition Project.

-If you are a general member of an organization and will hold a higher office in the future, since it can't be listed under Leadership on its own before you start the position, you can sneak it into the application with the title you pick, eg: General Member and President-Elect of Campus Recycling Initiative.

-If the activity covers two categories, since you can only designate one, in some instances you might choose a name that conveys the other designation. For example, Research/Lab can be paid, volunteer, or via class credit. Unless you are washing glassware, you might decide to select Research/Lab so it won't be overlooked, but could title the activity Animal Handler for Smith Lab through Work/Study Program. Exception: If your research activity earns class credit, the transcript will speak to this so it isn't necessary to repeat the information.

-If you are grouping multiple similar activities together to save space, be sure the title you pick encompases all of them, eg, Summer Camp Volunteerism, or College Seasonal Employment, or E-Publications of Graphic Novels, or Searchable Published Abstracts, or Leisuretime Activities, or Undergraduate Recognitions, or Fraternity Involvement.

-Try not to repeat the same organization name in the title you give the activity. Example:
For an experience titled: President of Pre-Medical Society, avoid using Organization: Pre-Med Society. Instead, consider an alternative for the organization name: perhaps incorporating AED spelled out, or Office of Collegiate Affairs (or whatever dept oversees all student organizations), or your school's name.
 
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FAQ (continued):

19. What would I use the "Repeated" button for?
Say you volunteered at the same hospital for three summers in a row. All the header information is the same for each summer experience but your participation wasn't continuous. So you can fill in a separate date range for each of the three summers and enter a different Total Hours. The same might apply to sport team involvement, thespian commitments, marathons run, seasonal job with the same company, etc. Note: The program will give you an error message if you don't enter them in chronological order. And it won't save the information you enter until the problem is corrected.

Another potential use would be to differentiate completed hours vs future projected hours for an activity in which you are already engaged, by using the current month as the End Date for the first date span and then again as the Start Date for the future hours.

20. How do I describe my Research-related activities? (This entry is a work in progress)

Some Research description guidelines (YMMV):

Each project can start with a one-sentence nontechnical description that a lay person can understand. After that feel free to use jargon, if you have space for more discussion. Insert techniques you used. Don't feel compelled to add them all if there are 10.

Feel free to sort them into more than one space if you have multiple experiences. If grouping them, sort by timeframe, project type or discipline, importance, by class credit/volunteer vs employment.

You will have to decide how to present these experiences to best represent you. Perhaps projects from long ago need less emphasis. Those most recent will likely serve you better if more detail is given.

Any poster, pub, or presentation that took place at a campus venue should be mentioned with the affiliated Research entry. Any that occurred at a regional/national location or journal deserves its own spot, if you have space. If any of those data sharings came out of the same project, they could be mentioned together in one spot tagged under the highest prestige format:

National Pub > Regional Pub > Abstract in a national journal > National Poster/Presentation > Regional Poster/Presentation > abstract in a conference brochure > campus pub > campus poster/presentation.

Any format for citation is fine, including abbreviated versions when you are short on space. Long author lists can be shortened by stating your place on the list, the PIs name, and et al. PMID# can substitute for much of a citation if necessary.

If the data set from the campus presentation was later presented in poster format at a regional conference and then finally published in a national journal, you would cite is under Publication and then mention after the citation in the same space, "Data also presented orally at DDDD College Research Symposium x/x/xx, and again as a poster that won second place at the YYY Conference in Tucson z/zz/zz date."

If you were not the presenter for your poster, but your name is on the author list, you can include it, but give credit to the presenter, as research is a team sport, and it's important to give credit where it is due. If you presented, it's fine to say so.

There is little value in using a Conferences Attended slot, if you have already mentioned the name of the conference in a Posters/Presentation or Publications entry.

A manuscript in preparation or submitted doesn't belong on the application, but if you feel compelled to mention it regardless, add it at the end of a research description on the affiliated project.

If you wrote the grant that got funding or navigated an IRB process, mention it.

Use the MM space for impact, insights, how you were inspired, future directions. If some of the research description spills over into this space, you won't be the only one who's used it that way. Just be sure that at the 700 character mark you end a paragraph so it will flow smoothly into the MM space (which is distinguished by a blank line, like a paragraph break).

Succinctness is always good.
 
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hey there! Just wondering, if I have worked on 3 different projects with the same PI but want to put it under one header, do I have to describe every project?
 
hey there! Just wondering, if I have worked on 3 different projects with the same PI but want to put it under one header, do I have to describe every project?
Not necessarily, but ideally, yes, however brief the description might be. Do they all fall into a similar category? Do some of the techniques used apply to more than one? Can you create one vague description that is true for all of them? Did any result in a poster/presentation or publication (in which case, you could expand into some of those spaces for more description)? Was one project longer or more interesting to you, in which case you could give greater detail for just that one, after briefly touching on the others.
 
I know this is related to one of the FAQs on here, but I'm having trouble trying to be brief in my activity descriptions- I tend to get into "what I learned/how this helped me" on everything. Is it more recommended to list responsibilities or simply be descriptive? I feel like I'm trying to write too much
 
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Spent a consider amount of time in critical care unit with patient on life support, awaiting final approval for physician to remove said life support. Patient not my family or friend. Physicians and allied staff taught me all the equipment, what was happening with bpap, why propofol was the sedation of choice for patient, what the dialysis machine was monitoring and how it was rotating between cycles, etc.

Clinical? :)
 
I know this is related to one of the FAQs on here, but I'm having trouble trying to be brief in my activity descriptions- I tend to get into "what I learned/how this helped me" on everything. Is it more recommended to list responsibilities or simply be descriptive? I feel like I'm trying to write too much

One thing I was told last year on an unrelated matter:

Be succinct. It's a tool that will serve us well as physicians.

List activity. Learned BPAP does ... List activity. Learned intellectually disabled people are kind, caring and curious. :)
 
I know this is related to one of the FAQs on here, but I'm having trouble trying to be brief in my activity descriptions- I tend to get into "what I learned/how this helped me" on everything. Is it more recommended to list responsibilities or simply be descriptive? I feel like I'm trying to write too much
Every activity doesn't need a list of what you learned. Every activity doesn't need a detailed summation of your duties, if it's generally known. Write each description to highlight what will be most important to your application or most interesting. Don't follow a formulaic approach that never varies.
 
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Spent a consider amount of time in critical care unit with patient on life support, awaiting final approval for physician to remove said life support. Patient not my family or friend. Physicians and allied staff taught me all the equipment, what was happening with bpap, why propofol was the sedation of choice for patient, what the dialysis machine was monitoring and how it was rotating between cycles, etc.

Clinical? :)
What was your role? How were you helpful to the patient? How many hours were you involved in the activity? Might this be more akin to shadowing multiple care team members while you observed, or did you have patient care responsibilities (in which case it's Clinical).
 
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Hi! I did a summer research program that also involved shadowing opportunities. Is it important to list the shadowing in a separate entry or could I keep it in the same entry as the research program?

Also, for general hospital volunteering, would it be ok to group volunteering at two different hospitals in the same entry or should they be separate? Thanks!
 
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1) Hi! I did a summer research program that also involved shadowing opportunities. Is it important to list the shadowing in a separate entry or could I keep it in the same entry as the research program?

2) Also, for general hospital volunteering, would it be ok to group volunteering at two different hospitals in the same entry or should they be separate? Thanks!
1) As long as you have at least one shadowing entry, you should be OK to keep it with the research program description. If you have no others, I'd say it is important to split out the Shadowing time and list it separately, taking care not to double count the hours. You don't want the fact that you have this experience to be missed during a quick overview at schools that are expecting to see some. An alternative choice would be to include the word "Shadowing" in the Research entry description, but even then, I've seen it "accidentally" overlooked.

2) They can be grouped, though keeping them separate would be preferred, since all the header info for the second (Contact, location, dates) would have to be included in the narrative space.
 
specific question about research entries: 700 characters is short! In each of my entires, my goal is to convey why the experience was important to me and/or how it benefits me in preparation to become a physician. What I'm finding is that there are more "passive" sentences that I also want to include, but that I feel are less important given the limited space. I.e. "I presented my research results at the ___ symposium."

Thoughts?
 
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specific question about research entries: 700 characters is short! In each of my entires, my goal is to convey why the experience was important to me and/or how it benefits me in preparation to become a physician. What I'm finding is that there are more "passive" sentences that I also want to include, but that I feel are less important given the limited space. I.e. "I presented my research results in the ___ symposium."

Thoughts?
You might experiment with using bullet points, instead of narrative, to see if that frees up more space for you to include all the important points you'd like to make.

Alternatively, if you presented at any off-campus poster/presentation events, you might squeeze the mentioned symposium (which I'm presuming was on-campus), into that same space.
 
You might experiment with using bullet points, instead of narrative, to see if that frees up more space for you to include all the important points you'd like to make.

Alternatively, if you presented at any off-campus poster/presentation events, you might squeeze the mentioned symposium (which I'm presuming was on-campus), into that same space.

Thank you for the recommendations! I was envisioning each of my experiences to be explained through narrative- I never considered using bullet points, but now I'm reading the tips above :). Would it be recommended to stick to all paragraph or all bullet point form?
 
Thank you for the recommendations! I was envisioning each of my experiences to be explained through narrative- I never considered using bullet points, but now I'm reading the tips above :). Would it be recommended to stick to all paragraph or all bullet point form?
It's fine to mix and match from activity to activity. Use the format for each that seems best suited.
 
Quick question. How would I list serving as a volunteer coordinator, on board of directors and on a sub-committee at an organization? Would that be one section? If so how would you go about writing the title?
I think you could list this all under one Leadership space, if your descriptions are very succinct and/or bulleted. As a title, maybe, "Multiple Organizational Roles with Local Non-Profit Agency" or "Office Holder in Multiple Capacities for PreMed Group" or "Responsible Positions Assumed at Local Hospital." Think of another generic way to describe the organization in the title since its name is already in the header of the space.
 
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20. How do I describe my Research-related activities? (This entry is a work in progress)

"...Insert techniques you used. Don't feel compelled to add them all if there are 10."

Do you think at least 1 technique or description of methods should be included? I'm battling space!
 
If I have multiple research experiences, I should list them separately correct?

I did research in a lab for prostate cancer for 1.5 years ( the PI has left the school, so I don't know his contact info, but I have his email,name,phone #)

I did research on my own with the help of a Comp Sci prof to write a paper and I got published last year. ( For this, I did not really have a PI, but rather worked on my own and went to the comp sci prof for help, so should I list him as the PI?)

As for hobbies/activities, If I was in a band that played local gigs, I should list it under activities but not list me playing guitar under hobbies or is it OK to list twice?
 
1) If I have multiple research experiences, I should list them separately correct?

2) I did research in a lab for prostate cancer for 1.5 years ( the PI has left the school, so I don't know his contact info, but I have his email,name,phone #)

3) I did research on my own with the help of a Comp Sci prof to write a paper and I got published last year. ( For this, I did not really have a PI, but rather worked on my own and went to the comp sci prof for help, so should I list him as the PI?)

4) As for hobbies/activities, If I was in a band that played local gigs, I should list it under activities but not list me playing guitar under hobbies or is it OK to list twice?
1) Ideally, yes.

2) You mean his old contact info from before he left the school is what you have, but it's no longer valid? It might be reasonable to use someone else as the Contact (Project Coordinator, Post-Doc, PhD candidate, secretary) who can attest to your involvement, then in the note state that you don't have the PI's current contact info due to his relocation. Or you can try to track him down. The department chair or secretary might know where he went.

3) List him as the Contact who can attest to your involvement. When you cite the paper it would be clear he isn't the PI due to his name not being included on the author list.

4) If your musical involvement reached a wider audience, like yours did, I'd call it an Artistic Endeavor. You can still list guitar under Hobbies, if you like and have more to say.
 
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I am having trouble narrowing down to 15 experiences. @WedgeDawg's FAQ suggests that each publication in press deserves its own slot, which would take up a good number of those 15 slots. What would be the best way to consolidate them?

I would just make one single slot "Publications" and list the citations there.

(also this isn't my FAQ, it's been passed down since the dawn of time - I just posted it ;) )
 
Hello again,
I have an activity that was teaching/service based in which volunteers taught demonstrations of physics labs at inner city middle schools twice a semester (we each had a group of students and did a presentation to the whole class then instructed our small group and answered questions about science/college). The outreach was organized by a professor but I was the lead student and did all of the organization beforehand, delegated responsibility to other volunteers, coordinated with the school, etc. So this seems like something that can fall into: teaching (meh), service, or leadership. I have it as leadership now, but it was not an official organization because it was started by a professor and he asked me to run it
 
Hello again,
I have an activity that was teaching/service based in which volunteers taught demonstrations of physics labs at inner city middle schools twice a semester (we each had a group of students and did a presentation to the whole class then instructed our small group and answered questions about science/college). The outreach was organized by a professor but I was the lead student and did all of the organization beforehand, delegated responsibility to other volunteers, coordinated with the school, etc. So this seems like something that can fall into: teaching (meh), service, or leadership. I have it as leadership now, but it was not an official organization because it was started by a professor and he asked me to run it
It need not be an official organization-sponsored activity for you to list it. Happily, you have a solid Contact who can attest to your involvement. Sounds like a good source for a reference letter.

If you don't have another, stronger Leadership entry, then leave it under that designation, unless you have zero nonmedical community service.. You can make the 'Leadership,' 'Volunteer,' and 'Teaching' components clear with your title and description.
 
You might experiment with using bullet points, instead of narrative, to see if that frees up more space for you to include all the important points you'd like to make.

Alternatively, if you presented at any off-campus poster/presentation events, you might squeeze the mentioned symposium (which I'm presuming was on-campus), into that same space.

Follow-up question: I had a poster presentation on campus and I was originally going to include this into my research description. Would you only recommend separating this into a different space if it was at the conference / publication level?
 
Follow-up question: I had a poster presentation on campus and I was originally going to include this into my research description. Would you only recommend separating this into a different space if it was at the conference / publication level?
I'd keep a campus poster presentation with the Research description unless you also presented another poster off campus and want to add it into that same space, even if the two deal with different projects.

Or, if you presented the same data at an off-campus event or published it, you could mention the campus poster in that same space.
 
I will probably only have 20 hours of shadowing one specialty by the time I send in my application. I will be shadowing throughout the summer and I'm planning on putting that in my application and mentioning I have 4 different specialties lined up.

Is that okay? Will this hurt me in any way?
 
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Hello SDN!

I worked as a 'clinical intern' for a medical practice for ~200 hours over the course of 2 summers and 1 winter vacation. At the clinic, the doctors would call me in periodically (when patients gave permission) to let me shadow. Otherwise, I worked on their EMR, online marketing, etc.

I do not know how many exact hours I had for shadowing. No one had a stopwatch for exact hours spent shadowing versus doing any of the other medical-related tasks.

How many hours is it appropriate to write in each category (i.e. clinical experience v. shadowing experience)? Do I just take a best guess?
 
I will probably only have 20 hours of shadowing one specialty by the time I send in my application. I will be shadowing throughout the summer and I'm planning on putting that in my application and mentioning I have 4 different specialties lined up.

Is that okay? Will this hurt me in any way?

You can mention it but it really wont be that helpful as a future promise. You will have more if/when you interview. Just hours, if that is your only clinical exposure, is quite small and weak
 
Hello SDN!

I worked as a 'clinical intern' for a medical practice for ~200 hours over the course of 2 summers and 1 winter vacation. At the clinic, the doctors would call me in periodically (when patients gave permission) to let me shadow. Otherwise, I worked on their EMR, online marketing, etc.

I do not know how many exact hours I had for shadowing. No one had a stopwatch for exact hours spent shadowing versus doing any of the other medical-related tasks.

How many hours is it appropriate to write in each category (i.e. clinical experience v. shadowing experience)? Do I just take a best guess?

Use your judgement (something premeds often fail to do). Just be reasonable in your assessment.
 
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For hobbies, do we just list ourselves as a contact?

Also, one of my experiences is mentorship with a few different younger students in my community. Should I just list one of their contacts?
 
You can mention it but it really wont be that helpful as a future promise. You will have more if/when you interview. Just hours, if that is your only clinical exposure, is quite small and weak

I have a lot of clinical exposure just not explicit shadowing. I've observed doctors while volunteering in the ER, at a hospice, and working as a phlebotomist. Is that okay? I was also part of this program in high school where we followed doctors around for a day to see what they did, but without the patient contact.
 
For hobbies, do we just list ourselves as a contact?

Also, one of my experiences is mentorship with a few different younger students in my community. Should I just list one of their contacts?

As far as hobbies, yes, you list yourself as contact, or you can put N/A. I've seen both.
If you did this mentorship under a supervisor/advisor, you should list them. If not, you can list the student as contact.
 
I have a lot of clinical exposure just not explicit shadowing. I've observed doctors while volunteering in the ER, at a hospice, and working as a phlebotomist. Is that okay? I was also part of this program in high school where we followed doctors around for a day to see what they did, but without the patient contact.

Shadowing doesn't need to include pt contact. It should be purely following them around and testing the waters. Your clinical experience is good as long as they were consistent. and meaningful to yourself.

I also read your post above. 20 hrs in one specialty is pretty low. I believe the recommended is 40-50 hrsmin + multiple specialty. Putting what you will do in the future is useless to adcoms, they care about what you've done, not what you plan to do.

You basically need to show schools that you know what it is like to be a physician. And its hard to say without observing them.
 
I have a lot of clinical exposure just not explicit shadowing. I've observed doctors while volunteering in the ER, at a hospice, and working as a phlebotomist. Is that okay? I was also part of this program in high school where we followed doctors around for a day to see what they did, but without the patient contact.
Shadowing doesn't need to include pt contact. It should be purely following them around and testing the waters. Your clinical experience is good as long as they were consistent. and meaningful to yourself.

I also read your post above. 20 hrs in one specialty is pretty low. I believe the recommended is 40-50 hrsmin + multiple specialty. Putting what you will do in the future is useless to adcoms, they care about what you've done, not what you plan to do.

You basically need to show schools that you know what it is like to be a physician. And its hard to say without observing them.

Schools want to see that you have sufficient clinical exposure that can include patient contact and physician observing, which may of course overlap. Now that you have mentioned all you have, it sounds like enough to at least apply
 
Hi all,

Thanks so much for this incredibly helpful thread and Q&A! I have volunteered across 5 hospitals over the past 5 years. I want to group them all under one category, which grants me 1325 characters. But AMCAS only lets you select one set of logistics (contact, date, hours, etc.) from their drop-down menu for each category. Does that mean I can only input that information for the first hospital I want to list and that the other 4 need to have their hours/contact/etc. written down in the activity description box? This seems like the best course but I'm just worried I won't have enough room to write about experience in depth for each hospital.

An alternative strategy I considered was grouping them all together but only describing in depth the 2-3 that were the most important to me. The other hospitals I would only list tasks and whatnot. Would that be better?

Thanks!
 
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1) For hobbies, do we just list ourselves as a contact?

2) Also, one of my experiences is mentorship with a few different younger students in my community. Should I just list one of their contacts?
1) If you use a Hobbies tag, a Contact space isn't provided.

2) Ideally you'd use a parent of a longer-term mentee.
 
Hi all,

Thanks so much for this incredibly helpful thread and Q&A! I have volunteered across 5 hospitals over the past 5 years. I want to group them all under one category, which grants me 1325 characters. But AMCAS only lets you select one set of logistics (contact, date, hours, etc.) from their drop-down menu for each category. Does that mean I can only input that information for the first hospital I want to list and that the other 4 need to have their hours/contact/etc. written down in the activity description box? This seems like the best course but I'm just worried I won't have enough room to write about experience in depth for each hospital.

An alternative strategy I considered was grouping them all together but only describing in depth the 2-3 that were the most important to me. The other hospitals I would only list tasks and whatnot. Would that be better?

Thanks!
Ideally you would list the hours, date span, contact, and location for the other 4 sites in the narrative. If you need to skimp on some of the less significant experiences, that is fine. You might also consider making generalizations that apply to all of them.
 
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I apologize in advance as I know this is likely an old question: Is there a recommendation on copy / paste (plaintext?) into AMCAS?
 
@theonlytycrane - when you copy/paste into AMCAS, it automatically does it in the format required.

You have the option of then reviewing the application in .pdf to see what it looks like and adjust any formatting (spacing between paragraphs, for instance)
 
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Hi all,

Thank you to everyone that has contributed to this thread, has definitely helped me!

I am debating whether or not to include something in my Work/Activities. I create youtube videos -- they are just for fun and daily life videos that I make with my roommate. I have been pretty careful with what we have posted and was wondering if I should include this in Artistic Endeavors section of the AMCAS or should I refrain from mentioning this at all?

Just wondering if it would be frowned upon for putting part of my personal life online?
 
Hi all,

Thank you to everyone that has contributed to this thread, has definitely helped me!

I am debating whether or not to include something in my Work/Activities. I create youtube videos -- they are just for fun and daily life videos that I make with my roommate. I have been pretty careful with what we have posted and was wondering if I should include this in Artistic Endeavors section of the AMCAS or should I refrain from mentioning this at all?

Just wondering if it would be frowned upon for putting part of my personal life online?

They certainly sound at least a hobby and perhaps artistic
They dont sound anything offensive, outrageous, etc
They make you have depth, rounded outside of being a premed
I dont see them being looked down upon by adcom, so little risk

I would include them
 
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I am debating whether or not to include something in my Work/Activities. I create youtube videos -- they are just for fun and daily life videos that I make with my roommate. I have been pretty careful with what we have posted and was wondering if I should include this in Artistic Endeavors section of the AMCAS or should I refrain from mentioning this at all?

Just wondering if it would be frowned upon for putting part of my personal life online?
I would include them
I agree. You might even include a mini-link to the library of web addresses for easy access. Some adcomms might like to view some.
 
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I was VP of a club for a year, and then president for the next year. How do I title that entry? I don't want to only list the president position because that would make it sound like I didn't play a leadership role throughout the first year, but if I said "VP and President of X Club" then it would sound like I held both positions at the same time.

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I was VP of a club for a year, and then president for the next year. How do I title that entry? I don't want to only list the president position because that would make it sound like I didn't play a leadership role throughout the first year, but if I said "VP and President of X Club" then it would sound like I held both positions at the same time.

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How about "executive leadership" then describe president and VP
 
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