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UNC is probably the top
Case close second
Emory third
UTSW (they work hard)
Maryland
Florida = Dartmouth
Thanks, ETA.
UNC is probably the top
Case close second
Emory third
UTSW (they work hard)
Maryland
Florida = Dartmouth
#15How far down? Also how is the rest of the list?
UNCHi. Would like input from attendings on my current rank list (in alphabetical order). please use reputation among academics (well rounded rather than lopsided heme vs onc).
Case Western Reserve
Dartmouth
Emory
Florida
UMaryland
UNC
UTSW
Thanks
Agreed. Bummer that Tony Saab left tOSU but it's not like the place will fall apart without him.
And it's been a few years, but NYU was massively disappointing when I interviewed there. I almost left the interview mid-day and didn't rank it.
Ok... thank you!#15
The rest of it looks fine.
As a word of caution, tOSU is a sinking ship. Think about the Titanic after hitting an iceberg.
As a former recent fellow from OSU who is in academics, if your interested in GI onc specifically, there is no one, well, one person left. Don't believe the website.
Since T Saab left, 3 other GI med oncs have left to other academic institution. R Goldberg is retiring this December. They haven't been able to keep an internal fellow to keep a job for 4 years now. The GI med onc program is being run by a gyn/onc, breast oncologist and 3 community oncologists...
Thoracic oncology- D Carbone is still there, refuses to mentor fellows. You should ask how many fellows have been mentored by Carbone and if it resulted in any pubs
Breast- C Shapiro left to Mt. Sinai- still no leader. A prominent jr faculty from DFCI left to go to PP. Another to MDACC. Another recently left to PP. Another gone on medical leave.
They're still headless for 2+ years since M. Villalona left to be the scientific chief officer at Miami Cancer Institute.
No section chief for GI, breast, etc. M Gillison is supposedly going to MDACC.
In regards to the heme side, people are jumping ship as well. J Byrd is actively interviewing, P Porcu (head of the T cell lymphoma program) has left, G Marciucci (AML thought leader) has left and others are actively looking to leave.
While M Caliguiri is still the CEO, it isn't the same place as it has been in the past.
Thanks to all the members for all their support. Please help me rank my programs. I am interested in GI oncology and translational research. No geographical preference. These are my programs in no specific order:
- U Penn
- Yale
- Georgetown/Lombardi
- NYU
- Ohio State (they recently lost Dr Saab to Mayo Arizona)
- Case Western
- Karmanos (Wayne State)
-Tufts
- Henry Ford
- Allegheny
Thank you!!
UMinnI'm having a lot of trouble ranking these 3. I keep changing the order everyday.
I want to do malignant heme. Not interested in transplant.
Would appreciate suggestions.
UNC
Case Western
Minnesota
Mostly meaningless. But do it if it makes you feel better.Is it good or bad to tell your top choice that you are ranking them as #1?
Thank you.UNC
UTSW
Throw darts at the rest
Just want to say that I've had this confirmed by another user as well as a friend who is an attending there (and another one trying to make an exit although not listed above).As a word of caution, tOSU is a sinking ship. Think about the Titanic after hitting an iceberg.
As a former recent fellow from OSU who is in academics, if your interested in GI onc specifically, there is no one, well, one person left. Don't believe the website.
Since T Saab left, 3 other GI med oncs have left to other academic institution. R Goldberg is retiring this December. They haven't been able to keep an internal fellow to keep a job for 4 years now. The GI med onc program is being run by a gyn/onc, breast oncologist and 3 community oncologists...
Thoracic oncology- D Carbone is still there, refuses to mentor fellows. You should ask how many fellows have been mentored by Carbone and if it resulted in any pubs
Breast- C Shapiro left to Mt. Sinai- still no leader. A prominent jr faculty from DFCI left to go to PP. Another to MDACC. Another recently left to PP. Another gone on medical leave.
They're still headless for 2+ years since M. Villalona left to be the scientific chief officer at Miami Cancer Institute.
No section chief for GI, breast, etc. M Gillison is supposedly going to MDACC.
In regards to the heme side, people are jumping ship as well. J Byrd is actively interviewing, P Porcu (head of the T cell lymphoma program) has left, G Marciucci (AML thought leader) has left and others are actively looking to leave.
While M Caliguiri is still the CEO, it isn't the same place as it has been in the past.
As a word of caution, tOSU is a sinking ship. Think about the Titanic after hitting an iceberg.
As a former recent fellow from OSU who is in academics, if your interested in GI onc specifically, there is no one, well, one person left. Don't believe the website.
Since T Saab left, 3 other GI med oncs have left to other academic institution. R Goldberg is retiring this December. They haven't been able to keep an internal fellow to keep a job for 4 years now. The GI med onc program is being run by a gyn/onc, breast oncologist and 3 community oncologists...
Thoracic oncology- D Carbone is still there, refuses to mentor fellows. You should ask how many fellows have been mentored by Carbone and if it resulted in any pubs
Breast- C Shapiro left to Mt. Sinai- still no leader. A prominent jr faculty from DFCI left to go to PP. Another to MDACC. Another recently left to PP. Another gone on medical leave.
They're still headless for 2+ years since M. Villalona left to be the scientific chief officer at Miami Cancer Institute.
No section chief for GI, breast, etc. M Gillison is supposedly going to MDACC.
In regards to the heme side, people are jumping ship as well. J Byrd is actively interviewing, P Porcu (head of the T cell lymphoma program) has left, G Marciucci (AML thought leader) has left and others are actively looking to leave.
While M Caliguiri is still the CEO, it isn't the same place as it has been in the past.
My program went through similar stuff while I was a fellow and I agree with this. It has finally pulled out of it's tailspin now with strong leadership of the division (lacking for >5 years including 3 years without a chief and 2 years of a chief who spent more time giving talks for industry than he did on campus)...and a nice little billion dollar fundraising campaign for the Cancer Institute as a whole that has mostly gone to facilities and recruiting top-level faculty.Must be bad leadership and politics that pushed everyone out. That's sad.
For applicants looking for academics, I would definitely stay away from a place like this. Don't listen to people telling you it won't affect your fellowship experience.
My program went through similar stuff while I was a fellow and I agree with this. It has finally pulled out of it's tailspin now with strong leadership of the division (lacking for >5 years including 3 years without a chief and 2 years of a chief who spent more time giving talks for industry than he did on campus)...and a nice little billion dollar fundraising campaign for the Cancer Institute as a whole that has mostly gone to facilities and recruiting top-level faculty.
You'll certainly survive a situation like this, but you're unlikely to thrive.
Cleveland is a very underrated city.
Just wanted to provide my two cents on Cleveland Clinic
Cleveland is a very underrated city.
Hi Guys,
I interviewed in a program that I though was really good. The day was ok and everything was organized. I was interviewed by 3 people (head of hematology, director of clinical trials and one melanoma guy) and during the day we had lectures and the associate PD gave us a overview of the program. My problem with this program is that the Program Director was not there. According to the aPD the PD was traveling. I know this program has 3 iv dates to interview 45 candidates and the PD could not make it? As far as I know this is one of the most important dates in the year for a PD, isn't it?
My problem is that, although I haven't met the PD I kind of like the program. Should I let this affect my ROL? And also, how the program will make their ROL if the PD wasn't there. This sounds so ridiculous to me.
There are also a group of non-academically productive attendings who have gotten used to being trained in an academic setting that they cannot envision a career outside of academia as they have previously been "sheltered" in academia and is unable to make the transition to the real world.
I have one of these academ-ish positions. All of my reimbursement is clinically based. I work 3 days a week. The "clinical educator" docs at the mothership who don't have any sort of grant or other buy-down, work 2.5 clinic days and spend 2-4 weeks on the inpatient/consult service as well. I make 40% more than they do (based on seniority). If I worked 4 days a week (FT in my position), I'd make ~65% more. Still less than a true PP, but still a lot less work than they have.There are many hybrid-clinical academic positions out there which i don't consider as true academic positions. They are either 100% clinical faculty in the main hospital or based in the extended network of service in neighboring townships. This is essentially private pratice work. Any position that enforces more than 2 days of clinic a week e.g 3-4 is not truly considered as an academic position - you're just being abused in return for the low academic reimbursement.
Definitely agree with this.Of course, reimbursement isn't everything but amongst other factors (e.g to limit your scope of pratice), this would be one of the biggest difference between academic and private practice.
I would have argued with this statement up until about 4 years ago, when I moved into my current position. And it's what I impart to the residents and fellows I work with now.Every candidate should keep their options open and it is truly too early to be absolutely sure given the limited exposure to career planning as a resident/medical student. I remember a division chief who laughed at me for being too specific for what i wanted to do without having been exposed to the breath of oncology - he was so true.
Hey GutOnc (or anyone else with an opinion),
I'm trying to rank my fellowship list generally in order of most benign (personalities, institution, positive environment) to least benign; slightly prefer an academic program over a not-academic program but the odds aren't super good that I will remain in academia so I'm not sure how much it *really* matters. Interested in oncology and slightly prefer New England.**
How would you rank these programs with those criteria in mind?
Reasonably Positive Impression
Roger Williams
UF
Tufts
OHSU* Loved Portland, am battling mixed feelings about being this close to certain family members and this far away from other family members.
UConn
BU
Not Super Positive Impression
UMass
Baystate
UFJax
**Not all programs are listed
Taking all of your preferences into account:Another post looking for some ROL guidance. Currently interested in mal heme, specifically NHL (but of course open-minded). Zero transplant experience during residency, so cannot adequately gauge whether this peripheral interest is genuine. From the northeast originally and sort of trying to stay but of course will go wherever the best training is.
1. Hopkins - Def my #1.
2. Yale - Had a great feeling leaving this interview, though transplant certainly weak. The fact that I would remain in New England bumps it above Cornell and the others in the group, but probably need more guidance on this specific spot in my ROL
3. Cornell - Mandatory 2nd year basic research is a little bit of a turn off, but seems strong. Location is not the best given I am married and maybe family soon?
4. Fred Hutch - My only west coast program and without a doubt strong in all facets mal heme and transplant. The move is the only downside for me
5. Vanderbilt - Strong in all areas. Enthusiastic PD and faculty. Beautiful area of the country and would be willing to move for Vandy. Put this one above UNC but it was a little tough.
Middle of the boat for me:
6. UNC - Very similar impression compared to Vandy above. Fellows seem to stay local afterward, but probably just a product of the fellows they attract
7. Fox Chase - Not a fan of the 50% Temple hospital thing/location but they do have heme/mal heme leaders and do much more research than I had anticipated. Love Philly otherwise
8. Mt. Sinai - Tough time deciding whether Sinai should be higher, I left the interview blown away given my expectations walking in. Much stronger in research (and transplant) than I had expected
9. UPMC - Stock on the rise with a relatively new PD, def strong in solids (mal heme still weak, but seems to be beefing up). Location is "ok" for me. Fellows seem to go on to do great things
Bottom three and really do not even want to rank, but neurosis kicks in:
10. Rutgers - completely underwhelming. Seemed unorganized, the coordinator was unpleasant as well.
11. Georgetown - Weak program, but seems to be growing. The PD rubbed me the wrong way, but maybe was just a super dry sense of humor
12. Brown - No transplant. excellent clinical training, but def not built to poise fellows for an academic career
Any help is appreciated, thank you!
Rank them all. There are no good stats on this.How many programs should I rank before I feel comfortable? I've been told if you rank ~10 programs, you should be ok. Is there a statistic on programs ranked vs. chance of matching?
Another post looking for some ROL guidance. Currently interested in mal heme, specifically NHL (but of course open-minded). Zero transplant experience during residency, so cannot adequately gauge whether this peripheral interest is genuine. From the northeast originally and sort of trying to stay but of course will go wherever the best training is.
1. Hopkins - Def my #1.
2. Yale - Had a great feeling leaving this interview, though transplant certainly weak. The fact that I would remain in New England bumps it above Cornell and the others in the group, but probably need more guidance on this specific spot in my ROL
3. Cornell - Mandatory 2nd year basic research is a little bit of a turn off, but seems strong. Location is not the best given I am married and maybe family soon?
4. Fred Hutch - My only west coast program and without a doubt strong in all facets mal heme and transplant. The move is the only downside for me
5. Vanderbilt - Strong in all areas. Enthusiastic PD and faculty. Beautiful area of the country and would be willing to move for Vandy. Put this one above UNC but it was a little tough.
Middle of the boat for me:
6. UNC - Very similar impression compared to Vandy above. Fellows seem to stay local afterward, but probably just a product of the fellows they attract
7. Fox Chase - Not a fan of the 50% Temple hospital thing/location but they do have heme/mal heme leaders and do much more research than I had anticipated. Love Philly otherwise
8. Mt. Sinai - Tough time deciding whether Sinai should be higher, I left the interview blown away given my expectations walking in. Much stronger in research (and transplant) than I had expected
9. UPMC - Stock on the rise with a relatively new PD, def strong in solids (mal heme still weak, but seems to be beefing up). Location is "ok" for me. Fellows seem to go on to do great things
Bottom three and really do not even want to rank, but neurosis kicks in:
10. Rutgers - completely underwhelming. Seemed unorganized, the coordinator was unpleasant as well.
11. Georgetown - Weak program, but seems to be growing. The PD rubbed me the wrong way, but maybe was just a super dry sense of humor
12. Brown - No transplant. excellent clinical training, but def not built to poise fellows for an academic career
Any help is appreciated, thank you!
Nothing really wrong with that list. But it's hard to give much advice when you don't tell us what you're looking for in a program, other than "a place my wife can match".Hi everyone! New to the forum here. Want to know your opinion on my list. Want to go into academic career. Limited geographically by going to places where my img wife can match as a resident in any program close by.
Fox chase
Nih
Umd
Case
Georgetown
Uva
Vcu
USC
Iowa
Umiami
Uflorida
Monte
Musc
Cincinnati
Baylor
Stony Brook
Rochester
Ukentucky
Vermont
Washington hospital center
Ochsner
Any input is appreciated!
Hi everyone! New to the forum here. Want to know your opinion on my list. Want to go into academic career. Limited geographically by going to places where my IMG wife can match as a resident in any program close by. Interested in benign hematology but want a well rounded exposure to a full breadth of hem/onc.
Nothing really wrong with that list. But it's hard to give much advice when you don't tell us what you're looking for in a program, other than "a place my wife can match".
Unless you really want to single-board and have a largely research-based training experience, NIH should be lower on your list. I'd move Iowa and USC up a bit.
Thank you droption. I liked the program as well.IMG here. Your wife will be able to match in most areas of your list. But if I had to consider it as a fact, I would probably pick Monte because NYC has tons of IMG friendly programs.
Hi everyone! New to the forum here. Want to know your opinion on my list. Want to go into academic career. Limited geographically by going to places where my IMG wife can match as a resident in any program close by. Interested in benign hematology but want a well rounded exposure to a full breadth of hem/onc.
Fox chase
Nih
Umd
Case
Georgetown
Uva
Vcu
USC
Iowa
Umiami
Uflorida
Monte
Musc
Cincinnati
Baylor
Stony Brook
Rochester
Ukentucky
Vermont
Washington hospital center
Ochsner
Any input is appreciated!
Did you apply to the NHLBI program or the NCI program? They have 2, relatively independent programs at NIH.Thank you for your input. Most of my choices were based on where I can get a good 18 months of clinical research and also no requirement for lab research. Fellow dedicated clinics were next on my list. I am interested in hemoglobinopathies and coagulation but would like to have a broad outpatient hem and onc experience. Have always been confused about NIH on my list and good to hear some feedback about that. Hope that clears up the question a bit.
Did you apply to the NHLBI program or the NCI program? They have 2, relatively independent programs at NIH.
Did you apply to the NHLBI program or the NCI program? They have 2, relatively independent programs at NIH.
As to the rest of your question, I turf all benign heme to one of my partners so can't really comment on the quality of benign heme training.
The NCI and NHLBI programs are now combined, starting (I believe) this year.
That's the hope!That's plenty of programs to interview with !