how do i create a thread for interventional cardiology fellowship?
how do i create a thread for interventional cardiology fellowship?
Finally I Matched after I tried 5 times (5 years) through match back to back, I matched only after I published 12 papers as first author and multiple presentations. I matched to top tier university cardiology program.Less than 48 hours to go!!!
Well done! Congratulations!!!Finally I Matched after I tried 5 times (5 years) through match back to back, I matched only after I published 12 papers as first author and multiple presentations. I matched to top tier university cardiology program.
I am IMG, graduated from good university IM residency.
Finally I Matched after I tried 5 times (5 years) through match back to back, I matched only after I published 12 papers as first author and multiple presentations. I matched to top tier university cardiology program.
I am IMG, graduated from good university IM residency.
, As mentioned in answer to # 3 my application was not repeat each season, but I realized that my interviews were more this season after my number of publications went up from season 1 to season 5 on my case.Congratulations,
I am so happy for you. I wish I had been successful like you but it didn't work out for me this time. I will bet you could give great advice though. When one applies in consecutive years and does not initially get accepted, I think there are new challenges and I would be interested in your opinions on those challenges.
1. I would need to make a new personal statement because programs will see it if I reuse the old one. Yes, I think will help, but I am not sure since I was not repeated application see answer 3 and 4.
2. I would have same problem regarding letters of recommendation and also trying to find new people to write them. This season I got three new LORs and IM PD letter will stay the same as you know.
3. Programs to which I applied before, especially ones that interviewed me would recognize me as a recently unsuccessful applicant and could deny interview on that basis. I think it looks bad on my record that I made an attempt and did not succeed. I never repeated my application to any program, since each year I was applying around 30 programs and this current season I applied only 35 programs and I matched to my # 2, I know it take longer this way (in may case 5 years) but I have been advised to never reapply same programs, so really I am not sure about repeated application consequences.
4. Programs will want to know what did I do differently next time as compared to the last attempt to make myself a better applicant. It is very hard to get something published by the time next application starts 6-7 months from now.
, As mentioned in answer to # 3 my application was not repeat each season, but I realized that my interviews were more this season after my number of publications went up from season 1 to season 5 on my case.
Hopefully my answers were helpful.
Congratulations on those who have matched. Unfortunately, I did not match. I do have lot of issues, including old graduate, community residency program, not a lot publications. What I heard is interventional is harder to get than rest of the subs so may be tough to get out of the community program until and unless they have it there.
my questions - tried quite a bit for heart failure/imaging but the programs are limited - how can i search for nuc prig accepting IM? Also those have been doing publications and active research while out of residency for a while, are you guys doing hospitalist or primary care?
thanks
Hospitalist will help but not primary care, if pure hospitalist is not an option, then maybe traditional internal medicine in that case.
Glad to mention that I matched in a good university program (My top 3 choice). It is a stressful journey but fruitful in end. My situation - 4 years out of graduation! The only tip for future candidates is to establish connection either research network or residency program faculty network or ideally both. On top of that, develop friends network, they help you a lot!
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Congrats! How many interviews did you have?
Hello all
It seems like all the programs prefer their own residency candidates no matter how much love they show during or after the interview on other applicants they invite to interview. If that is the case what is the point in inviting other candidates for an interview and making them to spend a lot on application fees, traveling and lodging etc. I believe matching process is a joke. They tell their own candidates I am ranking you here and you rank me here. If that is the case why these guys have to participate in match and give false hopes to other candidates. I see a lot of people from previous match clarifying some questions posted by us. Can you guys please give us the reality of this fellowship matching process? And what to do in the future in order to succeed for the amount of hard work put in. Thank you
Congratulations on those who have matched. Unfortunately, I did not match. I do have lot of issues, including old graduate, community residency program, not a lot publications. What I heard is interventional is harder to get than rest of the subs so may be tough to get out of the community program until and unless they have it there.
my questions - tried quite a bit for heart failure/imaging but the programs are limited - how can i search for nuc prig accepting IM? Also those have been doing publications and active research while out of residency for a while, are you guys doing hospitalist or primary care?
thanks
I matched in a good program but I am confused that program directors lie so much in this process while they don't have to. They keep sending emails and love letters (not template emails). I can't believe I did not even send template thank you letters but they sent non-template long strong love letters.
It is the same as residency match!!
Hello all,
Congratulations to all who matched. I am fortunate enough that I matched at my first choice. Could not be happier! I do have a question, though, for my friend. I apologize in advance if this will bother some people, but I am really trying to help my friend out. So she matched at a community cardiology program that was lower on her list. She is from a top to mid teir academic residency program, and was hoping to end up at an academic program. For one reason or another, that did not happen, and she fell farther on her list. She is not interested in academics in the future, and is ok with private practice. What are your thoughts? Will her going to a community fellowship be a disadvantage for her in the future, if she is not interested in research/academics? Will it limit her job opportunities? Also, she is interested in sub specializing (EP vs interventional). Will this be significantly more difficult to do out of community fellowship program? If so, is it still doable?
I am trying to talk her down, but I don't want to give her false information/hope.
Thank you in advance for your help.
LadyHeart
Hello all
It seems like all the programs prefer their own residency candidates no matter how much love they show during or after the interview on other applicants they invite to interview. If that is the case what is the point in inviting other candidates for an interview and making them to spend a lot on application fees, traveling and lodging etc. I believe matching process is a joke. They tell their own candidates I am ranking you here and you rank me here. If that is the case why these guys have to participate in match and give false hopes to other candidates. I see a lot of people from previous match clarifying some questions posted by us. Can you guys please give us the reality of this fellowship matching process? And what to do in the future in order to succeed for the amount of hard work put in. Thank you
This is true!! That is the reason I didn't match in my number one choice as they took 5 internal candidates out of seven!! But during interview, ask the chief resident or if there is a co-applicant from same program about how many internals are applying to give you an idea!!
Remember still it doesn't say much when it comes to ranking because internal candidates might match outside.. however, some internal want to stay in same program due to family/hometown/spouse working in same place!!
Match is complicated!!!
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Hello all,
Congratulations to all who matched. I am fortunate enough that I matched at my first choice. Could not be happier! I do have a question, though, for my friend. I apologize in advance if this will bother some people, but I am really trying to help my friend out. So she matched at a community cardiology program that was lower on her list. She is from a top to mid teir academic residency program, and was hoping to end up at an academic program. For one reason or another, that did not happen, and she fell farther on her list. She is not interested in academics in the future, and is ok with private practice. What are your thoughts? Will her going to a community fellowship be a disadvantage for her in the future, if she is not interested in research/academics? Will it limit her job opportunities?
Also, she is interested in sub specializing (EP vs interventional). Will this be significantly more difficult to do out of community fellowship program? If so, is it still doable?
LadyHeart
Hello.
I unfortunately didn't match. Had only three interviews and all from references. I'm not sure if I should apply next year or not given my step 3 issue. I'm an IMG/ J1 visa/ university IM program/ posters yes but no first author publications/ 4 publications but not first author on any of those/ step 1 230/ step 2 230/ cs pass first attempt/ step 3 second attempt 195.
Given that I have an attempt on step 3, I was wondering if my application is getting filtered out and hence not even worth it the next time. If that's the case , then no point doing a one year echo/chf and enhancing cv with research. Please let me know what you guys think.
Thanks so much.
Anyone?
What's the alternative to not applying? Would you do a visa waiver (after which you'd most likely be uncompetitive for Cards fellowship) or return to your home country for two years?
I don't know whether programs screen on the basis of Step 3 attempts or not and perhaps somebody else would be more qualified to answer that question. If you're serious about pursuing Cards, I think a one-year imaging/ CHF fellowship at a good institution would likely enhance your chances of matching. You need to be careful on the J1 and ensure in advance you could transition from IM to CHF/ imaging and subsequently to a CV fellowship within the terms of your J1 agreement.
Hello all
It seems like all the programs prefer their own residency candidates no matter how much love they show during or after the interview on other applicants they invite to interview. If that is the case what is the point in inviting other candidates for an interview and making them to spend a lot on application fees, traveling and lodging etc. I believe matching process is a joke. They tell their own candidates I am ranking you here and you rank me here. If that is the case why these guys have to participate in match and give false hopes to other candidates. I see a lot of people from previous match clarifying some questions posted by us. Can you guys please give us the reality of this fellowship matching process? And what to do in the future in order to succeed for the amount of hard work put in. Thank you
This is true!! That is the reason I didn't match in my number one choice as they took 5 internal candidates out of seven!! But during interview, ask the chief resident or if there is a co-applicant from same program about how many internals are applying to give you an idea!! Remember still it doesn't say much when it comes to ranking because internal candidates might match outside.. however, some internal want to stay in same program due to family/hometown/spouse working in same place!! Match is complicated!!!
In short my advice for you is: rank according to your preference, flirting from programs won't hurt but doesn't guarantee anything because of the nature of the process, don't get discouraged if you don't match and have a well-rounded application meaning that everything in your application matters: step scores alone won't do the trick, 20 pubs alone won't do the trick. Have decent scores but not necessarily astronomical, have research to show your academic potential, have a very well-written statement that is genuine without stuff that seem too poetic and bull****/unreal, The quality of the english everywhere in the application matters, make the application as presentable as possible. Do some digging and ask around to know what is the meaning of a good recommendation letter, a lot of people think they know what a good LOR is but they actually don't. Many fall into the trap of thinking that a generic half a page letter with fancy words is great, LORs are extremely important know what makes a good one so you can use the right letters or choose the appropriate writers or write a great one yourself if you are allowed. Interview day matters a lot, don't be fake, be as genuine as possible, a fake smile shows, people are not stupid specially when you over do it, if you're not feeling it it's better not to smile. Lots of applicants actually got on my nerves because of this.
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Thanks for replying RIHD. J1 is okay. I have four more years on it. So I can do a one year heart failure or something and then will still have three years left for cardiology. It will be like doing a chief year and then cards. I need to match for cards next year at any cost though. My step 3 is what is scaring me. So was wondering if that is gonna affect me next year too and if all this is gonna be a waste.
I haven't taken Step 3 and matched my top choice (popularly considered the best clinical fellowship in the country). Got plenty of interviews, so it's difficult to put too much weight on it.
That's not to say they can't still use Steps 1-2 as a filter. (I honestly have no idea how much they do/don't filter but am being a devil's advocate).
Your Step 3 score isn't the problem, it's the 2 attempts. Among other things in your app.Thanks for replying RIHD. J1 is okay. I have four more years on it. So I can do a one year heart failure or something and then will still have three years left for cardiology. It will be like doing a chief year and then cards. I need to match for cards next year at any cost though. My step 3 is what is scaring me. So was wondering if that is gonna affect me next year too and if all this is gonna be a waste.
step 3 attempt do play a big role in fellowship match. although programs are not very particular about step scores, they do wanna know if u have any attempts and that makes them to avoid interviewing u or rank u lower. only way to get aroudn this is to work closely with a department, may be 1 year fellowships and get to show them that the attempt doesnt reflect your knowledge and u are a strong dependable fellow.Hello.
I unfortunately didn't match. Had only three interviews and all from references. I'm not sure if I should apply next year or not given my step 3 issue. I'm an IMG/ J1 visa/ university IM program/ posters yes but no first author publications/ 4 publications but not first author on any of those/ step 1 230/ step 2 230/ cs pass first attempt/ step 3 second attempt 195.
Given that I have an attempt on step 3, I was wondering if my application is getting filtered out and hence not even worth it the next time. If that's the case , then no point doing a one year echo/chf and enhancing cv with research. Please let me know what you guys think.
Thanks so much.
You've left out one critical piece of information so far. You said you got 4 interviews, but don't mention how many apps you put out there.Thanks everyone. I kind of have started feeling that I don't have a chance next year. If programs filter applications out for multiple attempts, even step 3, then I don't see a chance at all. Research or heart failure fellowship or anything won't matter at all if they don't even look at my application. I know my program filters everyone less than 200 on steps. And ours is a decent program, not one of the best. I'm wondering even if my contacts help put in a word, the number of interviews I may get is still max 4-5. The chance of matching with that is so low. This is depressing. It's like a blow.
This is going to sound like I'm being an a**hole, but, any IMG going for cards with anything less than an absolutely stellar resume (240+ on all Steps, multiple pubs, Chief year, no need for visa, strong academic residency, etc) needs to consider an alternative career from day 1 of the residency application process.Never thought I'll have to think of alternate careers than cards.
First off, congrats to everyone who matched! I was also lucky enough to get my top choice program (academic, research oriented, "top 5" fwiw) and am looking forward to fellowship. Are any of you planning to prep ahead of time? If so, any suggestions on what resources/reading would be helpful? I have a fairly light 6 months ahead and would like to use them wisely.
Internal candidates are known quantities for programs. They know how that resident truly functions because they have observed them - and all of their letters are internal, so they trust their known colleagues more than unknown cardiologists from other places. They're not going to rank a weak internal applicant highly but a strong internal candidate is worth their weight in gold. This is the rationale behind trying to do residency at a place strong in the division you wish to pursue (if you know). That being said, strong candidates might be looking outside of the institution so even if the program Y ranks candidate X first, if X ranked a different program A which liked him back, it shouldn't affect your chances at program Y.
Well said. The number of internal candidates from some places this year was astronomical. Sheer numbers will, unfortunately, claim a certain number of spots per program. Hearsay is that programs like to keep about half internal if they can and half external but there are some notable exceptions (Northwestern takes a lot of internal historically for example).
A lot of good advice! I think most programs want well-rounded candidates who are normal human beings - people they'd want to get drinks with after work. My perspective is that the interview day is your chance to sell why you'd be a good fit for a program and to prove your normalcy. Nobody wants a crazy gunner at this stage.
I asked my chair of cardiology how much step 3 scores matter and he responded "What is a Step 3?" That being said, he's not a details person so I suspect step scores do play into the initial interview screen - I didn't get the greatest of step scores and I suspect that's what prevented me from getting some of the interviews that people with otherwise similar CVs did. It's hard to counteract failing a Step and I think that you're going to have to rely heavily on knowing people if you choose to reapply - a personal endorsement means a lot to most programs. Doing a stellar job as a CHF fellow could be enough to get that particular program to overlook the step scores but I wouldn't expect it to change every program's opinion. I don't think the alternatives (research, hospitalist) are better than doing an advanced year if you are considering re-applying because you really are cards or bust. Consider meeting with your program's chair of cardiology or the fellowship director to discuss you application and get their input on what specifically will help you - they'll know more than most of us web pundits.
One of the internal candidate shared that information after the match!How did you know who matched at a given program and whether they were internal or external?
This is going to sound like I'm being an a**hole, but, any IMG going for cards with anything less than an absolutely stellar resume (240+ on all Steps, multiple pubs, Chief year, no need for visa, strong academic residency, etc) needs to consider an alternative career from day 1 of the residency application process.
I'm not saying cards is out of the question for such an applicant. Just that, for someone in the above scenario, blindly stumbling forward as if you're going to get a cards fellowship no matter what happens (as Cards987 appears to have done), without some sort of alternative plan for your career, is foolish.I disagree with the above statement. I am a US citizen, FMG (went to a Caribbean medical school), obtained internal medicine residency at a community program. I got 214 on step 1, 226 on step 2, 232 on step 3. I applied broadly last year (~100 programs) and only got 5 interviews but did not match. This year, I am in a nuclear cardiology fellowship at a well reputed program, applied to 120+ programs, got 19 interviews and matched (not on any of my top programs, but nonetheless, I matched). No phone calls were made on my behalf to get me the interviews. I do not have any red flags however.
I'm not saying cards is out of the question for such an applicant. Just that, for someone in the above scenario, blindly stumbling forward as if you're going to get a cards fellowship no matter what happens (as Cards987 appears to have done), without some sort of alternative plan for your career, is foolish.
Hell, I'm an AMG from a great residency program, AOA with a PhD and I made a non-fellowship backup plan.
Can you please elaborate?The 'greatness' of OHSU is debatable.
Can you please elaborate?
OHSU is decent. It's certainly not the 'great' powerhouse IM Residency promulgated by Gutonc. Do you disagree?
Got it thank you
OHSU is decent. It's certainly not the 'great' powerhouse IM Residency promulgated by Gutonc. Do you disagree?
I didn't say it was a powerhouse. Not sure why you're all butt hurt. All I was trying to say is that, a backup plan is a good idea for every applicant.
It was in fact a great place for me. I never said top tier.You said you came from a 'great' residency which clearly insinuates a top-tier program. OHSU is certainly neither great nor top-tier.
No 'butt hurt' (whatever on earth that means) on my end, hombre.