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gasdoc77 said:
I take magnesium citrate before bed (powdered form). Helps with muscle soreness/cramps as well as sleep and acid reflux if you suffer. Dirt cheap when bought in bulk. Tim Ferris has a great podcast on sleeping in 90 minute "blocks" that coincide with your sleep cycle.
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Is this a joke? I seem to recall this is an "escalation" in therapy for constipation......
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sevoflurane said:
I get about 6 hours... but really want to increase that to 8 hours. For some reason, I am always up at 5:30 am w/o an alarm clock and usually have a hard time falling back to sleep.

Interested in the mag citrate for sleep.

Last I had read, glucosamine/chondroitin doesn't really have any real effects. Not sure tho.
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Glucosamine sulfate is what was used in studies and shown effective (I suspect it is largely the anti inflammatory effects of the sulfur, which is why I take MSM). Most products on the shelf are glucosamine HCL (cheaper).

A teaspoon of mag citrate only contains about 400 mg of elemental mag. GI effects dont start until you get up around 10 grams I believe.
 
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The one "supplement" that I've been experimenting with is fermented foods. I had a problem with GERD and rather than take meds, I started drinking apple cider vinegar (with the mother). I put a tablespoon or two in a glass of water in the morning. It actually helped quite a bit and now I rarely get reflux. I drink the ACV maybe 2-3 times a week now. I've been eating more sauerkraut and kimchi as a snack. I think there is a beneficial probiotic effect to these fermented foods.
 
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The one "supplement" that I've been experimenting with is fermented foods. I had a problem with GERD and rather than take meds, I started drinking apple cider vinegar (with the mother). I put a tablespoon or two in a glass of water in the morning. It actually helped quite a bit and now I rarely get reflux. I drink the ACV maybe 2-3 times a week now. I've been eating more sauerkraut and kimchi as a snack. I think there is a beneficial probiotic effect to these fermented foods.
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I think it was Michael Pollan that wrote "eat food, not too much, and mostly plants," and I think that'll get you 90% of the way there. The Mrs. and I follow that pretty closely. I am pretty consistent on getting my 5 servings of produce per day (pretty easy in northern CA where food grows year round). My wife is from Marin, hence her and her family's willingness to pummel me with pseudoscience on various herbs/supplements/etc., so I'm on a multivitamin, glucosamine/chondroitin, and probiotics (I'm a believe in these, but there's a huge range of strains available, so do your research). We also do an antioxidant-heavy smoothy a few days per week (greens, ginger, seeds rich in O-3s, and whatever produce is left in the fridge). We also did a 5-day cleanse awhile back that was mostly just no meat, dairy, grains, EtOH, caffeine, sugar, and although I was skeptical, I have to admit, I slept better and felt generally really crisp and focused in a way I hadn't felt in a long time. Should probably do that again...
 
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sevoflurane said:
Love being a DINK
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Yes, but one day when you're old and gray and have run out of places to travel and adventures to have, and you're too broke down to do all the things you used to enjoy you'll lament not having any progeny around to love and care for you and share memories with.




At least that's what I keep telling myself everyday. ;)
 
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SaltyDog said:
Yes, but one day when you're old and gray and have run out of places to travel and adventures to have, and you're too broke down to do all the things you used to enjoy you'll lament not having any progeny around to love and care for you and share memories with.




At least that's what I keep telling myself everyday. ;)
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If there is one thing I've learned about this life is that you can't count on anyone except yourself... :mooning:
 
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I'm a little late to the conversation but I'll chime in anyway.
Genetics is key. My grandfather just died at 101. I'm hoping I got a healthy dose of his genes. He drink one cocktail every evening and worked well into his 90's. Which brings me to retirement. Don't do it unless you have something to fall back on that will keep you busy and intellectually challenged for years.

A healthy active lifestyle is also key. I just spent a week in Vegas riding dirt bikes and never stepped into a casino or any other Vegas type venue. It may not be the healthiest activity but i am worked from head to toe. My grandpa was an active man. Dancing became his passion in his later years. You must have an active lifestyle. I cringe at going to the gym but it's still active and therefore a great choice for the city dwellers.

I subscribe to the Noyac Diet. It's easy, if the food grows from the ground or it eats what grows from the ground then I will eat it. I'm not picky. My problem is that I eat big dinners, no breakfast when working, and small lunches. I think it should be the other way but it works for me now. I still weigh what I did when I graduated from high school when I had 4-6% body fat and played ball. Although, I have slightly less muscle and more fat cells.

Supplements are mostly a scam in my mind. I take nothing. I have tried various things but currently nothing. I do like the idea of Mg citrate and have used it before but I never noticed anything. I probably should start a baby ASA/Day especially since my father died recently from an aggressive form of prostate cancer. Right now I just follow my PSA.
Testosterone and HCG are very interesting to me but with my FH of prostate CA I think I will pass on the T. Plus my T levels are pretty damn high for my age. Glucosamine and chondroitin never did **** for me. I just had my hip replaced 5 months ago. Also, I don't trust that any OTC manufacturer actually puts in their products what they say they do. I believe you can make yourself absolutely crazy trying to chase all the claims made from supplements and I just avoid them all.

I do however, drink too much vodka. That is my vice.
 
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Noyac said:
I subscribe to the Noyac Diet. It's easy, if the food grows from the ground or it eats what grows from the ground then I will eat it.
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I like it. It's along the same lines as "If your great-grandfather wouldn't recognize it, don't eat it."
 
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Cal restriction is key. Now I know you are thinking it is to hard right? The solution is intermittent fasting! Basically you eat one meal (I do breakfast) then fast for 24 hrs. No need to count this cal and this macro blah blah. Watch this documentary:
Some of the doc/minutes are a waste but you will get the point. Essentially by fasting for a prolonged period (>18-20 hrs) you induce all of these positive changes. (reduce sugar levels, IGF levels, chol etc) They have done studies with animals but are beginning to test this in humans. It is not terribly difficult. I usually will fast on a call day when I am preoccupied :0
 
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Cal restriction is key. Now I know you are thinking it is to hard right? The solution is intermittent fasting! Basically you eat one meal (I do breakfast) then fast for 24 hrs. No need to count this cal and this macro blah blah. Watch this documentary:
Some of the doc/minutes are a waste but you will get the point. Essentially by fasting for a prolonged period (>18-20 hrs) you induce all of these positive changes. (reduce sugar levels, IGF levels, chol etc) They have done studies with animals but are beginning to test this in humans. It is not terribly difficult. I usually will fast on a call day when I am preoccupied :0
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Couldn't you achieve essentially the same thing by eating a paleo type diet that forces your body into a more ketotic metabolism all the while being able to eat as much as you wanted?

I think the bottom line is that our bodies were never designed/evolved to eat a complex carbohydrate based diet. The key is to eat how are bodies were used to eating for hundreds of thousands of years before we figured out how to farm. I suppose intermittent fasting is one way to do this, but I have a hard time believing it's the best way (although I suppose forced intermittent fasting is part of the hunter gatherer lifestyle anyways - So there we have it: Paleo + intermittent fasting. That sounds f*cking awful).
 
For the past hour I've been talking to one of my surgeon friends who competitively body builds.
She does cardio in the morning to ramp up her metabolism for the day, weights in the afternoon + she eats 6 small meals a day as well.
The thought process is that if she is constantly eating small meals throughout the day after a morning cardio workout, her body is in a constant state of active metabolism and not storing much of what she eats.

A lot of ideas out there.

I do think that 81mg of ASA is pretty fruitful once you are in your 40's. Think I'll start there + some Mag.
I think natural sources of omega-3 are easy to get in the diet, so I don't believe that omega 3 pills are necessary.
This of course is a lifelong project in constant evolution.
 
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When I got lazy and fat post Navy, I switched to 5 small meals vs 2 binge meals after skipping breakfast, late dinner, etc. and lost 30 lbs without trying and felt great.
PS Whisky is only about 100cal/oz. that's a better vice than ice cream and cookies too. ;)


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I've cut beer out of my diet. :(

Been digging the Jack Hot Totties in a warm copper cup. Hot Water, lime, truvia and some Jack. Saves me 100 calories per drink compared to an IPA.
 
ASA 81 mg, Tumeric (high concentration), Fish Oil (3gm/day), Ashgawandha 2.5gm/day, Test cypionate 200mg/wk, HCG 500iU 2-3 x/wk
Losartan 80mg, Metformin 2500mg/day

I'm sure I'm going to get **** from this but it is what it is and I feel great.

Mostly Paleo, but limit the carbs. I am insulin resistant and refuse to get DM-II. Some essential HTN in spite of good weight and muscle mass. I'll take a low dose BB (coreg 3.25mg/day for work) to blunt the stress response. On weekends I substitute coreg for nebivolol (neither impact blood sugar the way atenolol and metoprolol can). Nebivolol has not been shown to cause ED, the way most other BB's do, though on 3.25 mg carvedilol I do not have a problem.

I exercise more days than not. Weights and cardio. Am strong, but meso-endomorphic, so I need to watch the carbs for sure. Diet is highly individualized but figuring out your insulin sensitivity is critical to maintaining a good weight. Do this by checking fasting BG and if needed (and better) fasted insulin levels and of course A1C.

I take BP and BG measurements weekly at home and strongly feel that sitting on BP over 140 and messing around with Fasting BG's in the mid-high 90's and certainly 100's is a very bad idea. My regimen may sound extreme but I'm a big believer in prevention.

Someone asked why check T? Lost of reasons. If your T is low you will not function well as a guy. High normal to high is preferred and even the urologist have now caught on that it does not cause prostate ca. Is is, however, contraindicated in active prostate ca.
 
Arch Guillotti said:
Yeah, why?
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If you are low and have symptoms, then it's beneficial to correct it. It's beneficial to mood, sexual function, bone density, lean body mass, insulin sensitivity, and probably for brain health. If you are low range and asymptomatic, then you can choose not to do anything but at least one very large European study shows cardiovascular benefit for TT>500.

The other reason to test for it, is if you are over 40, you will likely be experiencing a gradual (or not so) decline. It's good to get a baseline so that you may be better informed down the road should it fall further or begin to experience symptoms.
 
GA8314 said:
If you are low and have symptoms, then it's beneficial to correct it. It's beneficial to mood, sexual function, bone density, lean body mass, insulin sensitivity, and probably for brain health. If you are low range and asymptomatic, then you can choose not to do anything but at least one very large European study shows cardiovascular benefit for TT>500.

The other reason to test for it, is if you are over 40, you will likely be experiencing a gradual (or not so) decline. It's good to get a baseline so that you may be better informed down the road should it fall further or begin to experience symptoms.
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So why do it if you are pretty healthy?
 
Arch Guillotti said:
So why do it if you are pretty healthy?
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Do what you want, but it's not a bad idea for an aging male to see what level he is at when he is healthy and feeling well. For a relatively inexpensive test, knowing your baseline when you are healthy and asymptomatic is a good idea, as I've stated, should that change. If it changes, you will have a level that you know you were healthy and asymptomatic at. Of course other factors such as diet, exercise, stress, and sleep can manifest similar symptoms. Do what you want. I'm not trying to sell you. You'll either see the logic in this or not.

In other words, if you get a baseline while feeling great, and it comes back TT = 600.
If you test 5 years later and you are feeling less well with symptoms of low T, and you get labs back at 325, then you have a treatment threshold.

TT, freeT, and sensitive E2 are what you will need. Not just TT.
 
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GA8314 said:
Do what you want, but it's not a bad idea for an aging male to see what level he is at when he is healthy and feeling well. For a relatively inexpensive test, knowing your baseline when you are healthy and asymptomatic is a good idea, as I've stated, should that change. If it changes, you will have a level that you know you were healthy and asymptomatic at. Of course other factors such as diet, exercise, stress, and sleep can manifest similar symptoms. Do what you want. I'm not trying to sell you. You'll either see the logic in this or not.

In other words, if you get a baseline while feeling great, and it comes back TT = 600.
If you test 5 years later and you are feeling less well with symptoms of low T, and you get labs back at 325, then you have a treatment threshold.

TT, freeT, and sensitive E2 are what you will need. Not just TT.
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It sounds useless unless you are symptomatic.o_O
 
I've been on enalapril or lisinopril for 12 years now. Single agent paradoxically drops my systolics from 155-185 down to 110s. Negative secondary workup (even Mri/mra abdomen to r/o ras or pheo).

Been on a ppi qam since I was 11 and get an egd every 6 years to surveil for Barrett's. The ppi/dementia findings are quite scary to me as I've got both maternal and paternal relatives that passed away 2/2 Alzheimer's. Not sure what my options are given I'm symptomatic despite my ppi quite often.

Started taking an 81mg asa when I turned 30.

I've been lifting heavy and taking a multi since college. Was a state quality swimmer before starting bodybuilding in college. Went from 6'1 and 160 when swimming to 225# when I graduated college at around 8% bf. now I'm a soft 235 and acquiring some truncal obesity. I'm an endomorph and even at 1800 cal a day with fasted HIIT I can still put on muscle if I continue weight training, my body stores everything. Only successful dieting I've ever done is 3 runs of strict keto, generally dropping 20-26# in the first month each time, and lasting about 6 months. I always stick with it then my lipid panels come back catastrophic at my next pcp appointment, I'm asked to stop, and I gain all the weight back in a month.

Only real supplements I take are ZMA at bedtime, fish oil in the AM, and melatonin when q4 call has got me out of whack. Used to use creatinine regularly but can't get to the gym regularly enough. I kind of view supplements as expensive piss generators unless you're doing everything else right as well (diet, exercise, sleep).

Fwiw and as most have mentioned, all 4 of my grandparents died at 88. I'm budgeting to die at 88.
 
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sevoflurane said:
How do you get put on GH/test/deca?

Ask your GP to give it a go?

Why deca for joint injuries?
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Yup. Gp or anti aging doc. If you live in Florida there a few clinics that can help.

Test cyp is easy to get a script for. GH is harder but definitely useful as you hit 40+. Expensive as f**k but if you are rich it's the way to go.

Deca is useful for its anabolic properties but also because it can help with cartilage growth. GH is awesome for that too. If you have creaky knees or nagging shoulder pain it can help.
Some clinics will prescribe it, others won't as it is a straight up bodybuilding drug haha

Metformin is interesting too. Great for anti-aging but also great before a cheat meal as it shunts excess glucose from being absorbed/mostly into skeletal muscle glycogen instead of fat.

Ga314 has a good regimen. Just make sure to take b vitamins and coq10 if you are on a statin because those drugs can deplete those nutrients.

Good luck man.

Also not all of us are like noyac. Being a college athlete usually means you have superior genetics and higher test levels/better insulin regulation. Dude is one of those guys that probably will look lean as a 50-60yo. But if he got on t/GH, trained in the gym like in college and kept up diet and he probably would look redic. Badass anesthesiologist and badass athlete...Yup I'm mirin' lol.
 
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The problem with supplements are that you haven't a clue what is in them. There are no "reputable" companies unless they have the USP symbol on the bottle (rare). Many major brands of supplements have been analyzed by the attorney general's office in New York and found to have exactly zero amount of the touted contents. Others had uncontrolled amounts. For instance, Vitamin D tablets in 35% of the pills analyzed by consumer labs contained so much more vitamin D than was labeled, that taking the recommended amount would lead to toxicity. Others such as weight loss drugs frequently contain chemicals banned in the US for causing cancer but are not found anywhere on the bottle labeling. Men's sexual enhancement supplements have been found to illegally contain viagra and cialis in scores of preparations. And those "safe and natural" arthritis preparations have been found to contain up to 6 NSAIDs in a single tablet. Those with renal insufficiency or past GI bleeds may find themselves in renal failure or with an active GI bleed because of these "natural" substances. Even those that don't have NSAIDs are not safe. Turmeric has identical properties on the prostaglandin system as do NSAIDs and ostensibly would have the same side effects. Same for ginger. So caveat emptor with supplements. They are unregulated by the FDA, that is powerless to impose any meaningful regulations until the product is already on the market and in many cases have caused injury or death. This is all thanks to Senator Hatch from Utah, who authored the DSHEA act of 1994 that effectively allowed supplements to be expanded to anything found in any plant OR ANY METABOLITE of such a substance in the human body. Of course Hatch has family members who own supplement manufacturing companies. Supplements are not drugs- they are chemicals. Unregulated, uncontrolled chemicals that are not assayed for purity or have found to have fabricated assays, especially by Chinese companies.
 
invitro said:
Yup. Gp or anti aging doc. If you live in Florida there a few clinics that can help.

Test cyp is easy to get a script for. GH is harder but definitely useful as you hit 40+. Expensive as f**k but if you are rich it's the way to go.

Deca is useful for its anabolic properties but also because it can help with cartilage growth. GH is awesome for that too. If you have creaky knees or nagging shoulder pain it can help.
Some clinics will prescribe it, others won't as it is a straight up bodybuilding drug haha

Metformin is interesting too. Great for anti-aging but also great before a cheat meal as it shunts excess glucose from being absorbed/mostly into skeletal muscle glycogen instead of fat.

Ga314 has a good regimen. Just make sure to take b vitamins and coq10 if you are on a statin because those drugs can deplete those nutrients.

Good luck man.

Also not all of us are like noyac. Being a college athlete usually means you have superior genetics and higher test levels/better insulin regulation. Dude is one of those guys that probably will look lean as a 50-60yo. But if he got on t/GH, trained in the gym like in college and kept up diet and he probably would look redic. Badass anesthesiologist and badass athlete...Yup I'm mirin' lol.
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As you know the indications for GH have been tightened up a bit. Getting US pharma grade GH can be difficult. I've never tried it, but I believe that low dose GH at some point is going to be a good idea.

Deca may not be for everyone. Low dose for sure. I do not incorporate it into my regimen.

I take Co-Q10 in spite of not being on a statin. I am very reluctant to get on a statin and feel that the body of literature is beginning to swing towards inflammation being the major culprit to CV disease as opposed to cholesterol levels. Also, NMR cholesterol panels would be important to differentiate particle size, since small dense LDL is suspected to be the worse offender.

Again, I feel that keeping inflammation down is a key component to health, and some studies looking at statin use have suggested that it MAY be their anti inflammatory properties are the real benefit. But, there are other ways to lower "inflammation" (as measured by cardiac C-reactive protein).

I do take a B-vitamin because metformin can lessen the absorption of some B-vitamins, namely B12. I take metformin for all of it's benefits but also because I have legitimate insulin resistance. So, either a very very low carb diet, perfect sleep hygiene, no stress, and lots of regular exercise, or do as much of that and incorporate the very safe metformin into my regimen. I chose the latter. A1C last I checked was 5.6. Still not GREAT.

I'm a strong believer that in the absence of a strong history of, say, colon ca., addressing any HTN or BG issues is paramount to long term health. Also dampening baseline inflammation (can do this will the proper types of oils and fats also).

I also take 5mg cialis (did not mention before) as it is safe and effective and it has cardiovascular benefits as well as lifestyle.

My Test cypionate dose is on the high side and I can say that high is not always best versus high normal. When I say high, I do not mean supraphysiological, but just upper quartile. Everyone will be different. I could lower to 180/wk and it would be just fine I'm sure.

I would highly recommend guys over 40 checking BP at home once in a while and also BG. As we age we become less sensitive to insulin. I agree with Invitro that most higher level athletes tend to be very insulin sensitive. But, if you are insulin resistant, then it's not something to "sit on" passively, and if lifestyle modifications don't show improvement ASAP, then I would ask your Dr about metformin. For me it has been a game changer. GI side effects usually subside after a while and you can always start low and escalate your dose.

If you are overweight, you very well may be hyperinsulinemic while still relatively normoglycemic. If so, then you need to address this BEFORE you are hyperglycemic because that represents a severe case of insulin resistance as well as perhaps the beginings of B cell dysfunction. Ignore this at your own expense.

Oh, I also do not drink alcohol. My belief is that many people are probably drinking in excess of what is healthy. I personally don't because of not only empty calories, but also the fact that even one or two drinks makes me tired and less well rested the next day. It effects my sleep. So, I just don't drink. I also realize this may sound a bit extreme to some.....lol
 
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GA8314 said:
As you know the indications for GH have been tightened up a bit. Getting US pharma grade GH can be difficult. I've never tried it, but I believe that low dose GH at some point is going to be a good idea.

Deca may not be for everyone. Low dose for sure. I do not incorporate it into my regimen.

I take Co-Q10 in spite of not being on a statin. I am very reluctant to get on a statin and feel that the body of literature is beginning to swing towards inflammation being the major culprit to CV disease as opposed to cholesterol levels. Also, NMR cholesterol panels would be important to differentiate particle size, since small dense LDL is suspected to be the worse offender.

Again, I feel that keeping inflammation down is a key component to health, and some studies looking at statin use have suggested that it MAY be their anti inflammatory properties are the real benefit. But, there are other ways to lower "inflammation" (as measured by cardiac C-reactive protein).

I do take a B-vitamin because metformin can lessen the absorption of some B-vitamins, namely B12. I take metformin for all of it's benefits but also because I have legitimate insulin resistance. So, either a very very low carb diet, perfect sleep hygiene, no stress, and lots of regular exercise, or do as much of that and incorporate the very safe metformin into my regimen. I chose the latter. A1C last I checked was 5.6. Still not GREAT.

I'm a strong believer that in the absence of a strong history of, say, colon ca., addressing any HTN or BG issues is paramount to long term health. Also dampening baseline inflammation (can do this will the proper types of oils and fats also).

I also take 5mg cialis (did not mention before) as it is safe and effective and it has cardiovascular benefits as well as lifestyle.

My Test cypionate dose is on the high side and I can say that high is not always best versus high normal. When I say high, I do not mean supraphysiological, but just upper quartile. Everyone will be different. I could lower to 180/wk and it would be just fine I'm sure.

I would highly recommend guys over 40 checking BP at home once in a while and also BG. As we age we become less sensitive to insulin. I agree with Invitro that most higher level athletes tend to be very insulin sensitive. But, if you are insulin resistant, then it's not something to "sit on" passively, and if lifestyle modifications don't show improvement ASAP, then I would ask your Dr about metformin. For me it has been a game changer. GI side effects usually subside after a while and you can always start low and escalate your dose.

If you are overweight, you very well may be hyperinsulinemic while still relatively normoglycemic. If so, then you need to address this BEFORE you are hyperglycemic because that represents a severe case of insulin resistance as well as perhaps the beginings of B cell dysfunction. Ignore this at your own expense.

Oh, I also do not drink alcohol. My belief is that many people are probably drinking in excess of what is healthy. I personally don't because of not only empty calories, but also the fact that even one or two drinks makes me tired and less well rested the next day. It effects my sleep. So, I just don't drink. I also realize this may sound a bit extreme to some.....lol
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Great posts and thank you for your contribution to this thread.
 
Like pgg, I too am 42 and have noticed this year that I am having to work harder to keep in (relative shape). I'm no @Noyac... dude always teaches me a good lesson when we get together despite the fact that he's 82 y/o... but I do try to keep up. Despite his age, he def. has the genes.

For me... 3 soccer teams, snowboarding, Mountain bike, Dirt bike some tennis and some hiking.
Minimal weights, but I am working on that.
Soccer and snowboarding have def. put the hurt on my back this year.

Don't do narcs, but did have a right sided l4-l5 facet joint injection. Going for RF ablation next. :arghh:

Want to drop down to 150lbs from 168 lbs.
F'n hard to do as it requires a lot of dedication on my part and with a busy schedule, it means I have to get up really early to get going.
 
sevoflurane said:
What medications do you feel you should take in order to maximize your health and life expectancy and why?
Say you are in your 40's.

Omega 3?
Baby Asprin?
Vitamins? Which ones?
Coffee?
Resveratrol?
Statins?
Chondrotin/Glucosamine?
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This is a good thread for a sociology study:
"How smart people do stupid things"
 
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Like pgg, I too am 42 and have noticed this year that I am having to work harder to keep in (relative shape). I'm no @Noyac... dude always teaches me a good lesson when we get together despite the fact that he's 82 y/o... but I do try to keep up. Despite his age, he def. has the genes.

For me... 3 soccer teams, snowboarding, Mountain bike, Dirt bike some tennis and some hiking.
Minimal weights, but I am working on that.
Soccer and snowboarding have def. put the hurt on my back this year.

Don't do narcs, but did have a right sided l4-l5 facet joint injection. Going for RF ablation next. :arghh:

Want to drop down to 150lbs from 168 lbs.
F'n hard to do as it requires a lot of dedication on my part and with a busy schedule, it means I have to get up really early to get going.
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I agree that the only person whom you can rely on is yourself. Modern medicine is extraordinarily reactive as we ALL know. It's not preventative. And even worse, it has virtually zero focus on optimization.

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This is a good thread for a sociology study:
"How smart people do stupid things"
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Ignoring the body of evidence that low testosterone is detrimental to the aging male, and then failing to address it properly is the only stupid thing.
 
SaltyDog said:
Is that even legal?? What happens if your labs are outside their target range?
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It is debatable. But they save me ( more like they won't cost me) $1000/ yr on my health insurance. It's a racquet for sure.
 
Goals: (reality marked with a *)
- avoid caloric excess*
- adequate fiber intake
- intense exercise 2-3x/wk*

Still in my 30's and no vascular risk factors have declared themselves yet. Considering no daily supplements or meds.
 
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