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So what are you guys all going into - gas/rads? They are the best fields imo - intellectually stimulating, good pay/lifestyle, minimal pt interaction
Waking at the crack of dawn just to go faux-take care of patients whose outcome I have zero influence on, all done while getting in the way of superiors who would probably prefer you weren't there at all, and paying out the *** for the privilege.
I had an attending in third year peds who literally/explicitly told me that med students are not helpful and just make things take twice as long.
I mean, depending on the scenario, she's not wrong. I always did my best to be helpful third year (so weird that's past tense) but sometimes, especially in outpatient offices, there wasn't anything I could do to make my presence more efficient, and the few minutes of teaching time attendings gave me for each patient adds up over the course of the day. Twelve patients in a morning x 5 minutes per patient = an hour they spend teaching instead of documenting, making calls, or getting other work done. I had one attending who said that he liked having students around and teaching, but has to limit it to a few days a week because we slow his clinic down too much otherwise; even if you do a great job with your H&P, they typically have to then listen to you present it and then go do the same exact thing, which is a time-suck.
Be positive, be as helpful as you can be, and when you can't be helpful, at least be pleasant. (General advice, not directed at the person I quoted or OP).
I knew that we weren't too helpful, but just actually hearing it kind of sucked.
Wow, I didn't actually do the math, thanks for the perspective.
The worst thing about third year is the lack of learning. It drove me nuts to pay 50K to be on rotations to have an attending hand you an article that they would expect you to read. Then if you didn't read it and they asked you questions about it they would get all mad because you are wasting their time trying to teach you. Hello! That is why I'm paying tuition! For you to teach me. I can read an article on my own for free. I can't wait to be a resident and finally be getting paid.
Is this serious? Attending gave you an article to read, you didn't read it, and now you're mad because they are not spoon feeding the information to you themselves?
Especially if you're going into dermatology (as your username suggests as a possibility), you will have to do so. much. reading on a regular basis. It's not unreasonable that somebody expect you to be able to read an article and be able to discuss it intelligently when it is given to you.
Your attending DID teach you, by showing you what article they wanted you to read. For you to not put any effort into that process yourself and then blame the attending.
If you came and said, that's ALL they did, and otherwise I sat in a room and didn't see patients or see how attending interacted with anybody, etc. then fine, that's a valid complaint.
Most attendings that I have worked with have been wonderful teachers. However I've had a few that simply weren't good at teaching. When someone gives you an article to read and then pimps you on what was in the article with very little additional teaching involved I believe that shows laziness on the part of the teacher. That is not teaching that is simply pimping.
Maybe they would've gotten to the teaching part behind the article had you answered all of the pimp questions correctly. These situations usually result in a discussion about the article post-counterpimping. It's like a small group that assigns you an article to read before the group meeting so you can all discuss it.
The worst thing about third year is the lack of learning. It drove me nuts to pay 50K to be on rotations to have an attending hand you an article that they would expect you to read. Then if you didn't read it and they asked you questions about it they would get all mad because you are wasting their time trying to teach you. Hello! That is why I'm paying tuition! For you to teach me. I can read an article on my own for free. I can't wait to be a resident and finally be getting paid.
It's gonna be alright. The experience you get on the wards depends on your attitude and luck. While you can't control the latter, you can sure do something about the former Good luck!As a medical student who starts in July, I wish I never stumbled across this thread.
We've got med students on our service that have been super super helpful. Some of that BS work really makes your residents lives a little more tolerable.Third year has sucked so far. Going further into debt to show up at 5am to do some b.s. work that does not actually help anyone, looking like a ******* on rounds daily, studying after work and on weekends and feigning interest in specialties that you have zero chance of pursuing sucks. All the meanwhile friends are moving right along in their careers, buying houses and having full evenings/weekends really makes you question choice to continue. It is a necessary part of the process but hopefully this pays off eventually...
Im new to this thread. Just started IM last week and I'm getting chewed out by my physician as he reads my assessment and plans. I thought I would be decent at this given my step 1 score, but apparently I'm pretty bad (his words). Making me reconsider IM as a residency. Anyone else feel like that?
yea bro I don't see it getting any better. It just feels like theres always gonna be something I don't know and I'm gonna get **** on for it.Welcome, young padawan, to the third year suck.
I mean, depending on the scenario, she's not wrong. I always did my best to be helpful third year (so weird that's past tense) but sometimes, especially in outpatient offices, there wasn't anything I could do to make my presence more efficient, and the few minutes of teaching time attendings gave me for each patient adds up over the course of the day. Twelve patients in a morning x 5 minutes per patient = an hour they spend teaching instead of documenting, making calls, or getting other work done. I had one attending who said that he liked having students around and teaching, but has to limit it to a few days a week because we slow his clinic down too much otherwise; even if you do a great job with your H&P, they typically have to then listen to you present it and then go do the same exact thing, which is a time-suck.
Be positive, be as helpful as you can be, and when you can't be helpful, at least be pleasant. (General advice, not directed at the person I quoted or OP).
Welcome to 3rd year! 4th year will much better where most people who are not going to derm or surgical subspecialties don't give a ****....Im new to this thread. Just started IM last week and I'm getting chewed out by my physician as he reads my assessment and plans. I thought I would be decent at this given my step 1 score, but apparently I'm pretty bad (his words). Making me reconsider IM as a residency. Anyone else feel like that?
Im new to this thread. Just started IM last week and I'm getting chewed out by my physician as he reads my assessment and plans. I thought I would be decent at this given my step 1 score, but apparently I'm pretty bad (his words). Making me reconsider IM as a residency. Anyone else feel like that?
Sorry it hasn't worked out for you yet!Med students,
Did you not know what you were getting into when you signed up for this ride?
You have what people have literally been fighting for their entire life. You have people on the outside looking in so desperate to be in your position, that they are literally throwing upwards of 50K/year of borrowed money with interest at an SMP to just have a CHANCE to get into medical school, and your complaining because nurses are mean to you or a big bad attending degraded you in front of others? The world isn't sunshines and rainbows like undergrad. I wish I was in your position.
Med students,
Did you not know what you were getting into when you signed up for this ride?
You have what people have literally been fighting for their entire life. You have people on the outside looking in so desperate to be in your position, that they are literally throwing upwards of 50K/year of borrowed money with interest at an SMP to just have a CHANCE to get into medical school, and your complaining because nurses are mean to you or a big bad attending degraded you in front of others? The world isn't sunshines and rainbows like undergrad. I wish I was in your position.
Sorry about the rant, I just hate that somebody can go, "But at least you're in medical school!" Like it's the right answer to literally every single possible complaint throughout medical school.
As a medical student who starts in July, I wish I never stumbled across this thread.
It's highly dependent on the school and student. I had an awesome 3rd year. Great rotations, great experiences. Sure there were a few attendings who were dinguses, but you have those in literally very career out there. It's the first time that you're finally away from the books and are delivering babies and suturing up lacs. I'd take that over staring at books any day. Don't get ahead of yourself and worried about 3rd year. Sounds like it sucked for some people here, but the majority of people I know had a great experience 3rd and 4th year overall.
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Agreed. If I had to (heaven forbid) pick a year to repeat in med school, I'd do third year again. Granted, I haven't done fourth year yet.It's highly dependent on the school and student. I had an awesome 3rd year. Great rotations, great experiences. Sure there were a few attendings who were dinguses, but you have those in literally very career out there. It's the first time that you're finally away from the books and are delivering babies and suturing up lacs. I'd take that over staring at books any day. Don't get ahead of yourself and worried about 3rd year. Sounds like it sucked for some people here, but the majority of people I know had a great experience 3rd and 4th year overall.
Agreed. If I had to (heaven forbid) pick a year to repeat in med school, I'd do third year again. Granted, I haven't done fourth year yet.
Sure, there were parts that sucked (subjectivity of evals in particular). But on the whole, I saw and did really cool stuff and learned a lot. I was really fortunate in that I was never on the receiving end of attending or resident a$sholery though.
It is the right answer. Medical students are getting the keys to the human body, finding out the secrets of medicine. Being in medical school is an honor I'm not sure most people are ready for. You learn the how and why of the body, secrets our ancestors tried to comprehend and would do literal dances for in attempt to speed up the healing process.
The sky is literally the limit for you, and yet you are complaining that some hen nurse is ordering you around? Suck it up buttercup. Do you know the hopes and dreams that lay dead at the door scratching and clawing to get in to the gates of ANY medical school (at least in the US?). To use that knowlage gained in school to inspire humanity would be humbling.
I am risking the rest of my financial and adult life on a post bacc program, giving up an acceptance to anouther professional school, just to have an attempt and shot at the career I've envisioned myself in since before I could add and subtract. You know what my answer to people degrading me in front of an attending will be? "Please sir, may I have some more"
Second half of fourth year I would repeat over and over again if I had to.
lol shut upIt is the right answer. Medical students are getting the keys to the human body, finding out the secrets of medicine. Being in medical school is an honor I'm not sure most people are ready for. You learn the how and why of the body, secrets our ancestors tried to comprehend and would do literal dances for in attempt to speed up the healing process.
The sky is literally the limit for you, and yet you are complaining that some hen nurse is ordering you around? Suck it up buttercup. Do you know the hopes and dreams that lay dead at the door scratching and clawing to get in to the gates of ANY medical school (at least in the US?). To use that knowlage gained in school to inspire humanity would be humbling.
I am risking the rest of my financial and adult life on a post bacc program, giving up an acceptance to anouther professional school, just to have an attempt and shot at the career I've envisioned myself in since before I could add and subtract. You know what my answer to people degrading me in front of an attending will be? "Please sir, may I have some more"
We were all starry-eyed premeds at one point as well. Best not to put down others' experiences if you haven't lived them yourself. It is difficult to understand if you haven't gone through the process.It is the right answer. Medical students are getting the keys to the human body, finding out the secrets of medicine. Being in medical school is an honor I'm not sure most people are ready for. You learn the how and why of the body, secrets our ancestors tried to comprehend and would do literal dances for in attempt to speed up the healing process.
The sky is literally the limit for you, and yet you are complaining that some hen nurse is ordering you around? Suck it up buttercup. Do you know the hopes and dreams that lay dead at the door scratching and clawing to get in to the gates of ANY medical school (at least in the US?). To use that knowlage gained in school to inspire humanity would be humbling.
I am risking the rest of my financial and adult life on a post bacc program, giving up an acceptance to anouther professional school, just to have an attempt and shot at the career I've envisioned myself in since before I could add and subtract. You know what my answer to people degrading me in front of an attending will be? "Please sir, may I have some more"
I start school in a few weeks. I experienced some clinical rotations as an EMT student, but my qualifications were limited to taking vitals and other minor things. Even then, I felt kind of useless, especially when the nurses were frustrated when I didn't know how do certain procedures (start an IV for example. But we were never trained to do so, and I wasn't about do something not within my qualifications). When I shadowed, things were slightly better, although the surgeon I shadowed did grill me on anatomy questions lol. I've heard stories of rough experiences with residents and attendings, but I just thought they were rare experiences. This thread makes me think otherwise :/
Hopefully all goes well.
It is the right answer. Medical students are getting the keys to the human body, finding out the secrets of medicine. Being in medical school is an honor I'm not sure most people are ready for. You learn the how and why of the body, secrets our ancestors tried to comprehend and would do literal dances for in attempt to speed up the healing process.
The sky is literally the limit for you, and yet you are complaining that some hen nurse is ordering you around? Suck it up buttercup. Do you know the hopes and dreams that lay dead at the door scratching and clawing to get in to the gates of ANY medical school (at least in the US?). To use that knowlage gained in school to inspire humanity would be humbling.
I am risking the rest of my financial and adult life on a post bacc program, giving up an acceptance to anouther professional school, just to have an attempt and shot at the career I've envisioned myself in since before I could add and subtract. You know what my answer to people degrading me in front of an attending will be? "Please sir, may I have some more"
Dude. Shut up. Everyone, no matter WHAT career, has valid reasons to complain about stuff. We look up to professional athletes and think they have the best life ever getting paid millions to play a game. However, even pro athletes complain: about teammates not working hard, coaches they don't get along with, fans that heckle them when they play poorly, getting traded all of a sudden to random cities and having to uproot their families. Everyone thinks they have it good but don't see all the behind the scenes work they put in day and day out, injuries they play through and suffer from, etc. Investment bankers complain, lawyers complain, doctors complain. Everyone complains about some aspect of their career/work.
Med students also have complaints- bs exams, poor teaching, bad rotations, missing parties, weddings, birthdays, studying non stop, worrying about failing exams, trying to remember so much stuff. It is high stress and people DO get burned out. We all signed up for this but that doesn't mean its all sunshine and rainbows all the time.
It is very patronizing to hear you sit here as a premed telling us to just suck it up when you haven't experienced this grind.
Dude. Shut up. Everyone, no matter WHAT career, has valid reasons to complain about stuff. We look up to professional athletes and think they have the best life ever getting paid millions to play a game. However, even pro athletes complain: about teammates not working hard, coaches they don't get along with, fans that heckle them when they play poorly, getting traded all of a sudden to random cities and having to uproot their families. Everyone thinks they have it good but don't see all the behind the scenes work they put in day and day out, injuries they play through and suffer from, etc. Investment bankers complain, lawyers complain, doctors complain. Everyone complains about some aspect of their career/work.
Med students also have complaints- bs exams, poor teaching, bad rotations, missing parties, weddings, birthdays, studying non stop, worrying about failing exams, trying to remember so much stuff. It is high stress and people DO get burned out. We all signed up for this but that doesn't mean its all sunshine and rainbows all the time.
It is very patronizing to hear you sit here as a premed telling us to just suck it up when you haven't experienced this grind.
It stems from the fact that he has a chip on his shoulder as a pod student that couldn't make it into a MD or DO school. He himself will face the same problems in his 3rd year and of course you can guess where he is going to come to vent...
EDIT: then again, their 3rd year doesn't seem as stressful from the responses of pod students on this forum...
No, most pods Ive met with who get past the who "didn't get into med school" thing are generally really happy with where they are. That's something that I noticed on my interviews at both med school and pod school, the pod students seemed much more relaxed and content with where they were, the med students all seemed on edge, like they have this heavy burden just weighing them down.
I don't think pod students have shelf exams 3rd and 4th year, and the pod boards are pass fail because they already know what they are matching into (they are still graded clinically however). So maybe thats it.
Also, most pod students are older than the average med student, so maybe that plays a factor in it as well, pod students have had to work in jobs before school that were not rainbows and sunshines like retail and food service (no, working in a genetics lab during undergrad does not count as real work)
So your saying you never vented about anything whether it was that retail job (yes I knew people who said this can suck at times) or that annoying professor who likes to make the lives of students miserable? We all need an outlet for our frustrations and its a normal thing.
PS: I worked at the grad level as a TA. I had one program director who was a pile of s*** and had once in a while fired people who didn't agree with him, a very thin skin type. It can be a high stress situation considering that job paid your tuition and your living expenses, you can't simply walk away from it. You have no control or power as a graduate student either. It was nice to go with a friend to a local bar, have a drink, and vent little bit.
Sorry, no sympathy. Not an ounce. People knew what they were signing up for and considering how precious seats are, its ridiculous that people complain about medical school. Nobody wants to be around someone who complains anyway.
Let me guess, you are one of those 20 something year olds who never held a job in retail or fast food/food service. Try working in those types of places, you'll thank your lucky stars you have some head resident chewing you out, at least there is light at the end of the tunnel for medical students.
The great thing is, nobody really cares whether they have your sympathy or not.The people complaining about 3rd year usually haven't had to work in the real world, to hold down a job, to be screamed at by customers when you haven't put enough mustard on their sandwiches. The people in medical school literally have the power to change and challenge healthcare around them, and they complain because some head nurse hen chewed them out?
Sorry, no sympathy. Not an ounce. People knew what they were signing up for and considering how precious seats are, its ridiculous that people complain about medical school. Nobody wants to be around someone who complains anyway.
Its almost like complaining about being able to drive. For years people had to walk to places and risk literal life just to grab a pale of water. Now you have this machine that takes you speeds that were 200 years ago unimaginable, and you are complaining about having to drive in traffic? It boggles my mind.