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For the low gpa students that got into pod school, how are you doing now?
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You'll notice the common denominator is deciding 'enough is enough'. If you want something bad enough, you have to be willing to make changes.
^This. Everyone loves an overcoming an obstacle story and they do exist, however unless these individuals have made changes to the way they study, most will fail out or repeat.
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To answer the original question: I was admitted well below the GPA "requirements" at 2.7 and had a 22 MCAT (equivalent to just below 500 according to the new scoring system). I struggled in my first year, but seemingly everyone does. Life is great! My GPA isn't solid but I'm definitely not at the bottom of my class either. Over and over again I hear that the most important part of this whole process boils down to the ever-ubiquitous 3 P's: progression, personality and persistence. I'm a success story in the making. If I can do it, anyone can. Work! Work like you've never worked before. 2.7? Fuhgettaboutit!
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"Most" will fail? Perhaps you mean "some might fail..." because there's no way of knowing who started with low GPAs and who didn't, unless of course you ask in an anonymous forum or ascertain administrative records from each pod school. Aren't we studying *evidence* based medicine? Lol
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I applied in December 2013, received interview offers in January 2014, received acceptance letters February 2014, and I started school Fall 2014. Be kind and humble when you apply. Write a personal statement from the heart, highlighting your personality and accomplishments, and you'll be fine, friend. Don't let haters on this site get you down. Find a few positive people to rely on for information. For now, I would simply *read* SDN rather than write/reply on here, focusing only on helpful sources. There is a lot of information you're missing out on while you go back and forth with the less-friendly, unsupportive individuals who clearly don't recall how difficult and worrisome applying to any medical program can be. Also, meet often with your pre-med advisor and don't be afraid to open up to podiatric physicians with which you shadowed about your antipathies surrounding the application process. Good luck.
It is always good to see people on this forum giving advice not just from someone knows someone, but from actual personal experience. I would agree with Foot_Funguy that you need to take some of the people on this website with a grain of salt. On the other hand, it can be a good way to get to know Podiatry-it was how I fell in love with it.- Joined
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Hard work alone you can graduate a with >3.0gpa. Seriously.
Good grades in Medical school very rarely have to do with a lot of critical thinking, its who can memorize tons of minutiae. Which takes hard work and dedication to just sit there and commit a ton of things to memory.
Clinic wise though, thats where the critical thinkers, and well balanced practitioners tend to shine.
Good grades in Medical school very rarely have to do with a lot of critical thinking, its who can memorize tons of minutiae. Which takes hard work and dedication to just sit there and commit a ton of things to memory.
Clinic wise though, thats where the critical thinkers, and well balanced practitioners tend to shine.
Hi, I was hoping you can guide me on what I should do. I really want to apply this cycle to podiatry school. I'm a rising senior at Loyola University Chicago
Cumulative gpa: 2.859 science gpa: somewhere around there?
I started out bad as a freshmen did poorly in my classes because of no financial help, parents left basically telling me to pay for school. then came back into my life and then both parents went thru major heart surgeries which affected my grades because I took care of them.
-Upward trend I have been getting a 3.1-3.4 since freshmen year
-Did receive a D in physics retaking it now. Retook orgo 1 after getting a D in the first time, passed with a C. just took orgo 2 and got a C-. Pretty bumped out about that
-Do research at university of Chicago Hospital: learned bedside manners, how to talk to patients, and clinical hours.
-Volunteer at Ronald McDonald House of Charities for the past 4 years
-Shadowed 4 podiatrists and MD's, DO's including pediatricians, surgeons, heart specialist, family practice doctors.
- have done 70 hours of Clinical experience in Chicago at a family practice doctor and have done soap notes.
-Was a senator in Student government, in south asian student association, in muslim student association, pre-podiatry club
I will be taking my MCAT this august, I will study and put my entire life and soul into that exam. I truly do I want to be accepted into podiatry medical school I think its a wonderful growing field and can really see my self helping others relieve their pain. Please tell me if I have a chance, my low gpa and bad grades really upset me I wish I can go back and repeat my grades but unfortunately life circumstances and time cannot be changed now.
Just wondering what you think and what I should be prepared for. I know I need to do really really well on my MCAT and I have been studying every single day for it. I'm lost with the grades I've gotten but I also have learned so much from it, going into senior year I will make sure that I do get all A's even in my science courses. For example this semester I got all A's except for organic chemistry II lecture a C-.. that kind of stuff throws me off, but I'm a hard working student and I know I an be a great doctor. Please help! thank you
It will all depend on how you so on the MCAT,because you have a below average GPA you really need to score well on the MCAT. I'm going to be Frank, the fact that you got a C And C- in ochem should be a little worrisome because that material will show up on the MCAT. It does seem like you are improving but you will need a good MCAT score to offset your GPA.
Do you think with a good MCAT score I will have a chance? should I retake organic chemistry II, I can do it my senior year second semester but idk if theres a way to tell the schools that I will be retaking that class, and to look out for my grade in a sense?
-not sure if i should look into smp or masters program to strengthen my science gpa up and then apply? Kind of need guidance. I'm studying for the MCAT literally 8-9hours a day taking it in August.
I think that if you score well on the mcat that you will have a good chance at an acceptance. If I were you I would work my tail off like youre doing for the MCAT and apply at the beginning of this next cycle. That way if you do get an acceptance you won't have to waist time and money on a graduate program. If the schools tell you that you need to improve your science GPA then you will have to consider a graduate program. But if you do well enough on your MCAT you will give yourself a decent chance.
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The topic of this conversation is whether or not you will be able to handle the curriculum of podiatry school with a lower gpa. I think you'll be able to handle it due to your upward trend.
If you want to know your chances go to the responses to your question in the WAMC thread.
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I entered podiatry school with a 3.8 GPA and low MCAT. My undergrad experience was wonderful - I went to a small school where teachers were always available for office hours. The class sizes were small (upper division pharmacology only had 9 students!) and the teachers welcomed questions to clarify hard topics. I thought that my undergrad experience prepared me well for the rigors of podiatry school, but I was wrong. It only took a few low-scoring exams in the first semester to instill a large sense of fear that maybe I wasn't smart enough for this program. It was a big shock for me to adjust from professors that were always available - to having a heavy workload of 30-40 units/semester with higher academic expectations.
If anyone is reading this with that same fear, I really hope to encourage you to keep working at it, because I eventually started doing much better academically. I never considered dropping out of the program, but I had strong anxiety that everyone else in my class was smarter than me and that I was scrambling with all of my efforts just to barely keep up and pass. To make it through podiatry school without failing out, you need to understand that you will be pushed mentally to your limits.
There are SO MANY reasons people drop out of school. Medical and family stresses are almost impossible to deal with when you are required to be mentally sharp for weeks on end. I don't think it is reasonable to assume that drop-out podiatry students all failed out/got kicked out of the program. A lot of people decide that the stress isn't worth it to them, so they make the decision to do something else with their career.
Here are some things that helped me adapt to the new workload:
- Make friends in your pod class with people who have the same goals as you. Study together/motivate each other when discouraged
- Study in an environment that makes you most productive
- Study material by yourself and then solidify it by going over it again with a study group before the test
- Find ways of quizzing yourself to see if you actually know the material
- Cover the screen/book/study guide with your hand, and see if you can say the main point of that powerpoint slide off the top of your head.
- Another method - come up with stupid ways to remember things. Example in biochemistry: S-adenosyl methionin (=SAM) is a methyl donor. My professor came up with "SAM the methyl donor man," which has helped it stick in my head months after the test
- Fastest medical school cramming method = NO NOTES. Notes take a lot of time, but when you have only a few hours to go over 300 slides or whatever, you need to review the largest amount of material in the shortest amount of time.
- If you fail a test, don't feel ashamed about it. Don't feel like you are stupid and hold on to it like it is a massive secret. It happens. Figure out what went wrong and fix it for the next exam.
- Use resources outside of your class required books/powerpoints to get the material in your head. Use sketchymicro (aka sketchymedical) for microbacteria and pharmacology. When you get to organ systems, use Pathoma. Look on youtube for Khan Academy and other sources for topics that are difficult to understand.
- Sleep/exercise/eat healthy/blah blah - I want to put this here because I genuinely don't think it is possible to be successful in school if you push your body to extreme limits for too long.
- Also, there are some really interesting studies proving that moderate exercise will boost your brain functioning. AKA it will be easier to get facts to stick in your head.
Good luck to the new 2020 students, I wish you guys the best!
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to answer the original question, I entered pod school with a 2.9 GPA. I, like one of the other posters before lacked motivation, direction, and a sense of urgency. I didn't apply right away however, and took the non-traditional (although can it even be called that nowadays with many of my classmates not applying directly out of school) route taking 4 years to work and pay the bills. When you finally come to the realization that you may not be happy doing what you're doing, you do everything you can to find what really does make you happy. I guess for me it all came down to maturity and learning how to be disciplined. I told myself I had to stop being a kid, and that if you want something bad enough, you'll just do whatever it takes to obtain it.
long story short, I'm doing just fine, with a 3.9 GPA. You just have to put in the time. I definitely wish I didn't mess around as much in undergrad, but even those sometimes foolish experiences have made me who I am today. Now I'm constantly telling myself I want to learn and absorb everything I can not just for performing well on tests, but so that I can be a more complete physician. It may seem like you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself, but it helps to remember the long-game. pod school is just one step towards finding a suitable residency, to receive the best training possible, to provide the best quality care to as many people as possible!
believe in your potential and never forget WHY you're doing it. you'll do fine =)
p.s. take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm one of those hopeless romantics that would choose happiness over monetary compensation.
long story short, I'm doing just fine, with a 3.9 GPA. You just have to put in the time. I definitely wish I didn't mess around as much in undergrad, but even those sometimes foolish experiences have made me who I am today. Now I'm constantly telling myself I want to learn and absorb everything I can not just for performing well on tests, but so that I can be a more complete physician. It may seem like you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself, but it helps to remember the long-game. pod school is just one step towards finding a suitable residency, to receive the best training possible, to provide the best quality care to as many people as possible!
believe in your potential and never forget WHY you're doing it. you'll do fine =)
p.s. take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm one of those hopeless romantics that would choose happiness over monetary compensation.
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Guys that I know that hit Podiatry say its not too difficult and they had a tough time in overseas med schools
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For those of you who are podiatry students and got in with sub 3.2 gpa, who are you doing now? How are you handling the work load?
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Ranked in the top 20% of my class with >3.5. Workload is fine. Its all about putting in the time to learn the material. Sure its a lot but its doable. Its not always fun but its worth it.
But I grew up a lot between undergrad and here. Made it a point to work my ass off and be the best me.
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That's good to hear. I guess it's all about how much time you put into it.
Mind giving me an idea what your daily schedule is kind of like?
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Wake up at 5 and workout. Study 6:30-8am.
I don't go to all classes so my schedule can change but basically study or go to class from 8-6 with about 30 min off at lunch.
Take an hour or so after 6 to eat dinner/watch something on tv/talk to family or friends/catch up on sports. Then study from 7-9:30/10:00.
Friday night I stop at 6 for the night no matter what.
Weekends:
Depends on the upcoming schedule. May study all day may study 4-5 hours or not at all.
First year I hardly ever studied past 8pm and I never studied Friday night or at all on Sunday. Second year is a different animal so I tend to study more.
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I'm surprised by how little you study each day (except weekends) when you have classes from 8 AM to 6 PM. I'd think you'd have to study quite a lot every day if you are thrown that much material to memorize. In undergrad I had to study 3 hours a day just for 12 units (in the quarter system).
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You'll find out what works best for you and ultimately pace your study schedule to that. There's certainly a lot of material, but some people simply don't need to spend as many hours on material compared to others. Regardless, you certainly want to give yourself some time each day to decompress. You're going to have plenty of free time so you'll be able to choose what those hours are filled with.
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I didn't have absurdly low grades, but they weren't great in my undergrad overall (3.15-ish).
I got my act together and scored a 29 on the MCAT and am so far sitting on around a 3.8 in Podiatry school (not amazing, but a lot better than my undergrad GPA). As long as you put forth an effort, you should do fine.
The classes are generally straight forward (at least in the first year) but are comprised of a TON of material. If you can find a good and efficient method for memorizing lots of material at once, it really isn't that hard. Just time consuming. A lot of my undergraduate upper division science classes (Physical Chemistry, Inorganic Chemistry and Advanced Orgo) were far more challenging conceptually.
I got my act together and scored a 29 on the MCAT and am so far sitting on around a 3.8 in Podiatry school (not amazing, but a lot better than my undergrad GPA). As long as you put forth an effort, you should do fine.
The classes are generally straight forward (at least in the first year) but are comprised of a TON of material. If you can find a good and efficient method for memorizing lots of material at once, it really isn't that hard. Just time consuming. A lot of my undergraduate upper division science classes (Physical Chemistry, Inorganic Chemistry and Advanced Orgo) were far more challenging conceptually.
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I love how you are being so humble. 3.8 is a very amazing GPA. Very nice MCAT.
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So I don't have class 8-6 everyday. Usually 8-12 but maybe a lab/clinic/workshop in the afternoon 1-2x a week.
When I said I study/go to class 8-6 I meant I don't go to every class so some days I study 8-6 without class but some days I may have class for 2-4 hours mixed in. I study a minimum of 6 hours a day. When I have clinic/workshop/lab in the afternoons it may be a little less but I tend to skip class in the morning if it's an option on those days.
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Ok that clears things up a bit lol. Thanks
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Sidebar, but relevant imo-
My grades improved significantly when I stopped going to lecture mid-semester. Most profs at my school don't take attendance. My daily schedule is still the same as if I went to class, but instead of going to class, I go to the library and study. Lecture is mostly the professors reading to you from their slides or text, which I have access to anyway. I find it a much better use of my time to go through it at my own pace, rather than sit through class and be subject to their pace.
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Same. I stopped going to lectures after the first week.
I feel that either I can double speed the lecture and get through it a lot more quickly than I could in class, or the lecture is detailed enough that I wouldn't be able to get good notes live anyway (have pause and rewind in these cases).
Professors complain about it, but I and my friends who relied on streams did fine.
I feel that either I can double speed the lecture and get through it a lot more quickly than I could in class, or the lecture is detailed enough that I wouldn't be able to get good notes live anyway (have pause and rewind in these cases).
Professors complain about it, but I and my friends who relied on streams did fine.
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We have one professor who spent the first 2 or 3 minutes of every lecture patronizing, erm- 'coaching' us on professionalism, attentiveness, etc. He always gave anecdotes about students who went above and beyond, and always ended it with 'And you know what? Guess where that student sat? right in the front row."
I took a slight satisfaction when I learned that the ONE student who did not make it to the second semester at my school was the one who sat in the front row every single day. The Pedagogy we (all Pod schools, as I understand) is antiquated. The need for an in class live 'lecture' has been shown to be unnecessary for learning. Don't feel guilty for not going. Take care of business on exam day, and you're good.
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Unfortunately this was my case in undergrad too. It seems like a waste of time when certain professors just read off of their power point presentations. If all they do is a couple examples on the board and it's being video recorded then why not just save time and watch lecture at home...
But yea my biggest fear of podiatry school is failing out, which was the point of my first post lol. I don't even know what I'd do with my life if I had to remove myself from school especially with all of that debt.
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If that is your biggest fear, then it will not happen. We only had one student asked not to come back, and a few others on the fence. Speaking in generalities and from my personal perspective about this small group- they don't have that fear. They just assume they'll do enough and it will work out. With that attitude, it won't.
I had the same fear as you. I felt before every test that it would be the one to ruin me. But, you get by. Sometimes I got an A. Most times I got a B. Once in awhile I got a C (head and neck) and even once, I got a D (end of semester completely checked out). If you have that fear, it will drive you. I'm in my second semester and that fear isn't in the forefront of my mind anymore. It still drives me, but I don't think about it. You learn what you have to do to survive and you just do it.
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Thanks for the insight.
@mitrieD I have the same exact fears you do. Thanks for bring it up and getting it answered.
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I agree that being concerned about failure will drive you to succeed. Most of our large exams cover so much material that it's easy to feel overwhelmed and start doubting yourself leading up to them, but it pushes me to put in the time and I always come out well on the other side. For how difficult podiatry school is, as long as you put in the time and have just a bit of innate ability, you'll make it through. I'm not saying you'll be in the top of the pack, but you'll make it through.
That being said, if it is a major concern for anyone then they may want to look into which schools are more forgiving, and which schools will kick you out after failing a single class. You know...just in case.
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That being said, if it is a major concern for anyone then they may want to look into which schools are more forgiving, and which schools will kick you out after failing a single class. You know...just in case.
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thread title.
For the less than 2.8 crowd that got into pod school, how are you doing in pod school now?
What other aspects of your app made up for your low GPA?
Inb4 "if you have less than a 2.7 you have no business in pod school / schools shouldn't take you"
For the less than 2.8 crowd that got into pod school, how are you doing in pod school now?
What other aspects of your app made up for your low GPA?
Inb4 "if you have less than a 2.7 you have no business in pod school / schools shouldn't take you"
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also not to hijack this thread. I'll add another dimension to it:
To all the non-science majors now in pod school.. how are you doing?
To all the non-science majors now in pod school.. how are you doing?
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For the low gpa students that got into pod school, how are you doing now?
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Economics major here. I will be graduating in the top 25% of my class. My undergrad science GPA was a 3.1, which I think was slightly below average. I took only the required premed classes to get into pod school. I had a shaky first two months, even failing a midterm, but turned all my grades around and rocked my first semester and so forth. I'm sure taking classes like physiology, anatomy, and biochem as an undergrad would be helpful, but by no means are they required to do well. By the way, I am the only non-science major at my school of 50.
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Good.
Finished with a 3.1 in undergrad. However that doesn't represent my actual grades very fairly.. 2.3 first year , 3.1 2nd year, 3.6 third year, 3.6 fourth year. So i went from a living waste of space to a below average premed haha. Scored 24 , 26 and 27 on my third time on the old MCAT, apparently theres a new one now. I applied in 2014-2015 cycle. Don't remember the spread but sciences were decent 10 - physical, 9 - bs , 8 verbal - maybe. Im not sure why exactly , but Ill just own up to it and admit I didn't work hard enough. Eventually got one of those spam emails from Ohio state - i didn't know AAMC disclosed my mcat scores with schools - and had no idea what podiatry was. Remember specifically thinking "wtf is this, whats a foot doctor, is this some chiropractic like bs? ". Pretty arrogant at that time. Mostly because i was under the delusion i was still going to med school haha. Anyways, didn't consider it till my 4th year of university. Shadowed a podiatrist during that time and kind of enjoyed it. Made sure to check the local laws to see what podiatrists in my state can do and it seemed like a decent scope. Applied and got in with those stats.
I did lots of research though and EC's. Wrote a thesis and published a first name paper in an obscure radiation biology journal lmao. Worked in a very prestigious lab as well *self pat*. What I am getting at is that I was pretty average and capable. Once I got to podiatry school i kind of began second guessing myself. It sucked. I felt like was going to drop out as I felt like I didnt give med school my 100%. I wanted to go back to do post bacc etc. So stupid looking back, but self - doubt is normal. To make matters worse I ****ing hated biomechanics as well which made life hell. My god. Root, Perry , langer. FF varum, RCSP , NCSP , orthotic prescription forms pissed me right off (idk why lol they were confusing to me at first) , medial skives, morton's extensions... I HATED IT ALL.
Those feelings stopped though halfway through second year. Can't explain what happened. I think it was a that time that thing's were slowly coming together for me in terms of all the subjects. I accepted i ****ed up one dream but what I have going here is pretty sweet too. I have one of those personalities that once I get good at something I tend to do better .. like an oxytocin positive feedback loop during birth haha. I now excel at biomechanics because i forced myself to like it lol. Literarily. I forced myself to read topics and i tailored it to my personality. I got better , understood it and thus enjoyed it. I didnt get weened out yet and highly doubt i will. I haven't failed a class doing in the top half of my class and would like to think my profs don't think I'm a plug.
for those of you with ****ty stats, put the work in stop being lazy.
Finished with a 3.1 in undergrad. However that doesn't represent my actual grades very fairly.. 2.3 first year , 3.1 2nd year, 3.6 third year, 3.6 fourth year. So i went from a living waste of space to a below average premed haha. Scored 24 , 26 and 27 on my third time on the old MCAT, apparently theres a new one now. I applied in 2014-2015 cycle. Don't remember the spread but sciences were decent 10 - physical, 9 - bs , 8 verbal - maybe. Im not sure why exactly , but Ill just own up to it and admit I didn't work hard enough. Eventually got one of those spam emails from Ohio state - i didn't know AAMC disclosed my mcat scores with schools - and had no idea what podiatry was. Remember specifically thinking "wtf is this, whats a foot doctor, is this some chiropractic like bs? ". Pretty arrogant at that time. Mostly because i was under the delusion i was still going to med school haha. Anyways, didn't consider it till my 4th year of university. Shadowed a podiatrist during that time and kind of enjoyed it. Made sure to check the local laws to see what podiatrists in my state can do and it seemed like a decent scope. Applied and got in with those stats.
I did lots of research though and EC's. Wrote a thesis and published a first name paper in an obscure radiation biology journal lmao. Worked in a very prestigious lab as well *self pat*. What I am getting at is that I was pretty average and capable. Once I got to podiatry school i kind of began second guessing myself. It sucked. I felt like was going to drop out as I felt like I didnt give med school my 100%. I wanted to go back to do post bacc etc. So stupid looking back, but self - doubt is normal. To make matters worse I ****ing hated biomechanics as well which made life hell. My god. Root, Perry , langer. FF varum, RCSP , NCSP , orthotic prescription forms pissed me right off (idk why lol they were confusing to me at first) , medial skives, morton's extensions... I HATED IT ALL.
Those feelings stopped though halfway through second year. Can't explain what happened. I think it was a that time that thing's were slowly coming together for me in terms of all the subjects. I accepted i ****ed up one dream but what I have going here is pretty sweet too. I have one of those personalities that once I get good at something I tend to do better .. like an oxytocin positive feedback loop during birth haha. I now excel at biomechanics because i forced myself to like it lol. Literarily. I forced myself to read topics and i tailored it to my personality. I got better , understood it and thus enjoyed it. I didnt get weened out yet and highly doubt i will. I haven't failed a class doing in the top half of my class and would like to think my profs don't think I'm a plug.
for those of you with ****ty stats, put the work in stop being lazy.
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Grades mean **** in podiatry school as well. I can't tell you how many people in my class who have solid GPAs continually shock me with their incompetency in the hospital. I would be terrified to go to any program that places GPA above performance during rotations/externships. I don't say this as some bitter student with a bad GPA either.
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Numbers get you in the door at our program but don't mean anything if the rotation is poor.
So yeah, I agree with many points here and can be summed up as work harder than everyone else and blow your rotations away. They are essentially 1 month job interviews and should be treated as such.
So yeah, I agree with many points here and can be summed up as work harder than everyone else and blow your rotations away. They are essentially 1 month job interviews and should be treated as such.
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mr.applesauce
Can we get this refreshed? I'm struggling really bad myself and I had a 3.0 ish GPA coming in.
- Joined
- Jan 10, 2016
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3rd year. Ranked top 20% in my class. >3.5 GPA
Just got some really great offers for clerkships today.
Just got some really great offers for clerkships today.
