Dentistry Mentoring Thread

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dear Dr. Dai Phan,

I got my Part 1 score two day ago.

Comp 85, ( New format)
GPA 3.25
Toefl 102

I have 6 months experience as a Registered Dental Hygienist ( having 2 year, diploma in Dental hygiene in North America) and have 1 year experince as a dental Assistant in north America and 6 months experience as a dentist in the home country

Could you please give me a suggestions that will US studies and experience help me to get in IDEP program( Advance standing program for foreign trained dentists). Which university prefers experienced candidates.

Looking forward for your critical suggestions.

Regards!

As you probably know, getting a slot in IDEP is very competitive in US dental schools. It is very likely that you will be asked to perform some procedures to see if you are adequatetly prepared for the clinical portion for the remaining two years of the DS. In some cases, people with much lesser than stellar grades got in because they score well on the practical exams. All schools prefer experienced but clinically competent applicants. You should call them and ask what the entrance requirements are as well as what type of procedures are expected on the practicals. This is the best information I can give as I am not very well versed in IDEP programs.

If you are looking for US training but not the DDS/DMD degrees, you can always apply for the prosthodontic residency. In some states, you can get licensure in the US if you graduate from foreign DS but have completed an advanced post graduate residency. DP

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[Dr. Dai Phan]

Does one need to be a DDS or DMD to be able to a MS in oral biology?

The answer is No (like UCLA) although these programs are usually associated with the Dental Schools. You need to have a undegraduate degree in science related field though. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

hello.. i am not fully sure if i want to become a dentist. the other choice for me is a doctor....so i want to know is are the college courses that much different if you want to become a dentist or doctor.... in other words if i took the courses required to be a dentist and then i change my mind and want to be a doctor, do i have to take other/more classes or can i use the classes/grades i already took... Also can u tell me the major/minor differences between being a doctor and being a dentist (salaries, education, satisfaction, social life, etc). what are the major/minor pros and cons of each profession.
thanks for ur answer in advance

Regarding the decision to become a physician or a dentist depends on many factors and it is beyond the scope of the reply to be posted here. Comparing the physician to a dentist is like comparing a zebra to a domesticated horse. They are both in the same family but of different types. Each has plusses and minuses. I strongly suggest you shadow the practitioners in each field (in as many specialties as you can) and see for yourself. Take the time to test the water and make the decision when fully informed rather than based on perceptions. Regarding switching from one field to another if you change your mind, some classes you have already taken may be counted toward your new choice. However, this policy varies from school to school. I advise you to explore each career before committing. The saying "the grass is always greener on the other side" seems so true when comes to career choices. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dr, I think my main concerns is I'm 42 yrs. old, How does the dental school feel about older non-trad students like myself? also, my gpa is very low 2.7, I still need to take the DAT. What is your advise in studying for a high score? I would like to get into the 2009 cycle, what are my chances of making the 2009 cycle? I have finished all requirements and been taking some "Buffer course." I have 20 yrs. experience as a dental assistant/instructor/author. I just wrote a book for dental assistants. My true passion and dream is to be a dentist. Thank you for your guidance in advance.

P.S. I live in Memphis TN, and spoke with Dr. Coleman, not much to say. He recently gave a few of my female friends very shocking advise. Both females had 3.2- 3.5 and one of the women had dropped out of medical school to go to dental school andthe other had applied three times and lived in TN all her live. He told both to don't apply again and go make families he is looking for strong male applicates. So, UT has me very discouraged.

Age is not a factor when being considered for dental school admission as it would be a form of discrimination if that is the case. However, maturity is. Dental schools prefer applicants who know what they want rather than some immature candidates who do not yet know where they are going in life. Therefore your age is on your side. The other plus is that you have experience in the dental field for what you have done. Unfortunatetly, your GPA is weak and unless you score exceptionally well on the DAT you need to improve it. You should consider retaking some classes to improve the GPA to at least a 3.2. Doing well on the DAT requires you to have a good command in basic science courses. The PAT section could be difficult for some as it is hard to study for. A way to do well is to practice as many as you can get your hands on. Once you have taken the DAT, we can have a better assesment of your chances. Keep your dream alive and don't give up! Take my words for it. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

this is a great thread. I am stuck in the decision of my life here. Dentistry is something I have wanted to do for a long time. I am a UK CITIZEN (moved from india years ago to UK). I have failed to make it into a UK dental school. I am thinking of moving to meenakshi dental school in madras. However I want to know how hard it is to get a job back in the US OR UK. I need assistance urgently

I am not familiar with the regulations in the UK so I can't comment on that one. Perhaps you could post this inquiry in the International Forum in the Dental section. Regarding obtaining licensure in the US, the majority of states require foreign graduates (except from Canadian schools) to obtain the US DDS/DMD degrees through advanced standing status in the US. However, there are 9 states that will accept post graduate residency training (AEGD,GPR or dental specialty) in lieu of the previous requirement. They are Georgia, Illinois, Lousianna, Mississipi, Maryland, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and Washington. You need to contact these state boards for current rules and regulations. DP

 

[rarm1]

I agree... but you have nothing to lose by applyi9ng and asking the individual schools for comment... There is now a section of ADEA (Dental educators) that has all(well most) of the programs for international grads as members. I often recommend to forget the 2 or 3 year programs and just do the entire 4 years. Many, as you, have spend time as dental assistants, few spend time going to hygiene school... but wasting 2-4 years to save 2 years, does not add up.

As you probably know, getting a slot in IDEP is very competitive in US dental schools. It is very likely that you will be asked to perform some procedures to see if you are adequatetly prepared for the clinical portion for the remaining two years of the DS. In some cases, people with much lesser than stellar grades got in because they score well on the practical exams. All schools prefer experienced but clinically competent applicants. You should call them and ask what the entrance requirements are as well as what type of procedures are expected on the practicals. This is the best information I can give as I am not very well versed in IDEP programs.

If you are looking for US training but not the DDS/DMD degrees, you can always apply for the prosthodontic residency. In some states, you can get licensure in the US if you graduate from foreign DS but have completed an advanced post graduate residency. DP

 

[rarm1]

Regarding the decision to become a physician or a dentist depends on many factors and it is beyond the scope of the reply to be posted here. Comparing the physician to a dentist is like comparing a zebra to a domesticated horse. They are both in the same family but of different types. Each has plusses and minuses. I strongly suggest you shadow the practitioners in each field (in as many specialties as you can) and see for yourself. Take the time to test the water and make the decision when fully informed rather than based on perceptions. Regarding switching from one field to another if you change your mind, some classes you have already taken may be counted toward your new choice. However, this policy varies from school to school. I advise you to explore each career before committing. The saying "the grass is always greener on the other side" seems so true when comes to career choices. DP

I agree, but would add to shadow the students in the professional schools and residencies (with getting approicate permission). In some specialities of dentistry you are very close to medicine... like hospital dentistry, oral surgery, oral path.... and some specialities of medicine you are close to dentistry... take to time to shadow and learn

 

[rarm1]

Age is not a factor when being considered for dental school admission as it would be a form of discrimination if that is the case. However, maturity is. Dental schools prefer applicants who know what they want rather than some immature candidates who do not yet know where they are going in life. Therefore your age is on your side. The other plus is that you have experience in the dental field for what you have done. Unfortunatetly, your GPA is weak and unless you score exceptionally well on the DAT you need to improve it. You should consider retaking some classes to improve the GPA to at least a 3.2. Doing well on the DAT requires you to have a good command in basic science courses. The PAT section could be difficult for some as it is hard to study for. A way to do well is to practice as many as you can get your hands on. Once you have taken the DAT, we can have a better assesment of your chances. Keep your dream alive and don't give up! Take my words for it. DP

I am shocked by the comments from the university but not supprised. Some of us on the faculty have thoughts from the 1800's. My motto is to seek you best, achieve the most.... We have had residents who are older. Dentistry was a second career. Many schools look for maturity, desire, compassion. You have not mentioned your background. If you are into community service... Arizonia may be ideal for you. Each school is different.
While your grades are low... most look at the total individual... what you have done in your life... One of my former residents... now an attending, dropped out of high school, had a baby, got married, finally a GED(high school diploma), started to work as a Dental assistant, then to hygiene school, worked as a hygienist, then to dental school... she was older wiser and more devoted to learning... and an excellent mentor to our residents and in the inner city

 

[rarm1]

I am not familiar with the regulations in the UK so I can't comment on that one. Perhaps you could post this inquiry in the International Forum in the Dental section. Regarding obtaining licensure in the US, the majority of states require foreign graduates (except from Canadian schools) to obtain the US DDS/DMD degrees through advanced standing status in the US. However, there are 9 states that will accept post graduate residency training (AEGD,GPR or dental specialty) in lieu of the previous requirement. They are Georgia, Illinois, Lousianna, Mississipi, Maryland, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and Washington. You need to contact these state boards for current rules and regulations. DP

The UK is as hard to get into as the US... the post grad programs will vary. Since hospital programs in the US are in part funded by govt funds, it is harder for an international student to get. But first get into dental school... there are many good ones in the world, but the passage to another country may be hard. In The US even moving to another state may be hard. You did not mention why it was hard to get into school.... You may need to improve your grades of apply to more schools.

 

[rarm1]

thank you for your reply sir. Could you tell me a bit more about NBDE part 1 and 2, is part 2 required by all unis, do you see entry getting more competitive in 5 years (the time I will have graduated). Whats the entry marks for both parts also?

You have the do the best you can, study. Each school looks at grades, scores differently. You have to check there web sites and/or visit them. Most schools look at the total person. But getting in is hard. Often easier to start from the beginning, the full 4 years, instead of wasting 2-3 years in applying.
Admissions is competive and grades may vary year to year

 

[rarm1]

Hello Dr. Phan,

First of all, thank you very much for devoting your time to help out pre/dental students.

I am an international student from South Korea, and have been in the States for 8 years now.
My English is fluent, and my career goal has been to become a dentist since freshman year of college.

Right now, I have submitted my applications, and interviews are getting mailed to me now and then.

Once I finish dental school, unlike other pre-dental or dental students, I have no interest in going into specialty areas (perio, proth, OMFS) as I have shadowed specialists in those areas, but did not like most of what they do.

So for me, I'm interested in the business aspect of dentistry, and being a GP.

I have been reading many many pre-dental and dental forums, and found about pros/cons of numerous schools.

At one point, nothing but an Ivy League school would have been a satisfaction for me, but right now, I'm thinking that was due to all the hypes from my friends and parents with traditional Asian-oriented perspectives.

With these thoughts mind, even though I applied to many schools, I think it would be the right call for me to attend to my state school, IUSD, because of the cheap tuition.

What do you think about my thoughts?

Thank you for your input

What even school you get into will be good... all are accrediated... same the money. Names are only that... you patients won't look at them. to stay in a area, a local school may mean more to your patients. check with the students at the school, see how they like it since each school is different.
I want to an Ivy school... it was great, but, not really needed. I taught at non-Ivy schools.... students still got a great education and are excellent clinicians and educators... Good luck

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hello Dr. Phan,

First of all, thank you very much for devoting your time to help out pre/dental students.

I am an international student from South Korea, and have been in the States for 8 years now.
My English is fluent, and my career goal has been to become a dentist since freshman year of college.

Right now, I have submitted my applications, and interviews are getting mailed to me now and then.

Once I finish dental school, unlike other pre-dental or dental students, I have no interest in going into specialty areas (perio, proth, OMFS) as I have shadowed specialists in those areas, but did not like most of what they do.

So for me, I'm interested in the business aspect of dentistry, and being a GP.

I have been reading many many pre-dental and dental forums, and found about pros/cons of numerous schools.

At one point, nothing but an Ivy League school would have been a satisfaction for me, but right now, I'm thinking that was due to all the hypes from my friends and parents with traditional Asian-oriented perspectives.

With these thoughts mind, even though I applied to many schools, I think it would be the right call for me to attend to my state school, IUSD, because of the cheap tuition.

What do you think about my thoughts?

Thank you for your input

Any dental school will graduate you as a competent provider as long as you are willing to work hard and try to get as much out as you can. Sure, the Ivy name sure loks impressive on the wall but in the real life, nobody cares what school you graduated from. Patients only care about the quality of service that is provided to them and your chairside manner. I suggest you find a school that has the cheapest tuition or live in a city that has lower cost of living. And don't live lavishly while in school. During the four years in my dental school, I slept on the floor and rode the bus. DP

 

[rarm1]

I achieved appaling grades due to bad teaching and hence am moving away to India in order to obtain a bds degree.

Unfortunately we all teach and we all learn differently... You have to match the two. My 16 yo daughter needed home schooling/one on one tutoring and went from failing high school to excellent... unfortunately it is costly.

One of your choices in moving to India... another to to take more course at another location/university to help your grades.

Good luck in India. Remember most residencies/grad programs will look at grades.

 

[rarm1]

I will be at the ADA meeting if anyone has questions...
will be at the ADA/Health Volunteers Overseas booth from noon to 2pm on Thursday

I can always be reached by my cell phone 302-530-6788

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi!

Will it hurt me to mention that I want to become an orthodontist as one of my reasons as to why I want to become a dentist? It is my honest reason, but I'm worried the interviewer will think I am jumping ahead of myself. Thank you!

There is nothing wrong of saying that you want to become an orthodontist when asked. There are plenty of people wanting to go through DS to get into orthodontics. A specialty that I personally think should not be disclosed is oral surgery since it is more toward the medicine specialty. If you tell the AC that you want to go to the DS so so can do facial plastic surgery as a OMFS, then I say that will work against you. Orthodontics is down right in dentistry area so you will be fine. However, the best way is to leave specializing motive completely out of the picture. Just say that you want to go through DS to become the best GP that you can be and then you may look into different specialties in the future if the time comes. DP

 

[rarm1]

There is nothing wrong of saying that you want to become an orthodontist when asked. There are plenty of people wanting to go through DS to get into orthodontics. A specialty that I personally think should not be disclosed is oral surgery since it is more toward the medicine specialty. If you tell the AC that you want to go to the DS so so can do facial plastic surgery as a OMFS, then I say that will work against you. Orthodontics is down right in dentistry area so you will be fine. However, the best way is to leave specializing motive completely out of the picture. Just say that you want to go through DS to become the best GP that you can be and then you may look into different specialties in the future if the time comes. DP

Even on graduating if you want to/need to improve you resume to get into ortho... and apply for a GPR/AEGD... graduate 1 year programs... tell the truth.... I have had many in my GPR go on to specialities

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hello all,

I just moved to Columbia, South Carolina so I am trying to catch up with all PMs. If you need asap replies, please post them on this thread. Thank you all so much! DP

 

[rarm1]

well I have decided to go to India. Just one fear invades my mind, will opportunities always be avaialble in the likes of UK and US for people with BDS degrees from India. In 5 years, I dont want to find out my india degree counts for zilch.

Hi,

Each country is different...
and in the US each state is different.
In Many states you will need to graduate from a Amer Dent Assoc. - CODA approved school. Your foreign degree may get you into a 2-3 year program... some states allow you to go to an advance residency program of 1-2 years. Often these advanced programs are hard to get into... SO, unfortunately... the foreign degree will give you experience but not a license.

You must check where you want to practice and their regulations. This probably should have been done before deciding on the dental school.

 

[rarm1]

The Greater New York Dental Meeting is coming up soon. On Sunday Nov 25 in the morning, there will be a residency fair where over twenty programs - GPRs, AEGDs will be presenting.... Looking forward to seeing you there

bob arm
cell 302-530-6788

 

[rarm1]

Hi Dr. Phan,
Are you still around? I have a question.

A lot of pre-dental students volunteer in some type of setting, in an underserved community. I am no different, the only thing is, I sincerely want to pursue community dentistry in addition to private practice. When writing my personal statement, how do I convey this is something I'm sincere about? How do I let adcoms know I'm not just saying what I think they want to hear?

Hi.... just tell the truth, and show them what you did. One school... Arizonia looks at your volunteer record and teaches access to care... over 1/3 of their class has gone in to community Health Centers. The interviews you can guide the questions toward you interest.

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr. Phan,
Are you still around? I have a question.

A lot of pre-dental students volunteer in some type of setting, in an underserved community. I am no different, the only thing is, I sincerely want to pursue community dentistry in addition to private practice. When writing my personal statement, how do I convey this is something I'm sincere about? How do I let adcoms know I'm not just saying what I think they want to hear?

Yes, I am still here. I just moved to Columbia, South Carolina so I am still trying to get back to my usual lifestyle before I left Albuquerque. I am very glad to hear that you are interested in community dentistry as there are places where dentistry is underserved. I certainly would write that in my personal statement as well as mentioning that at the interview. If you are blowing hot air, the AC would know it. If you are sincere, they will be utterly impressed. It is important to volunteer in underserved areas so you have some proof to what you are saying about your passion. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dear Dr. Dai Phan,

If we meet any question on "National Board Examination" that we cannot solve, can we ask for your help as your convenience?

Thank you very much for your help and your support to us.

Best regards
Black Rose

I will do the best I can but my expertise is in prosthodontics. You should try the Dental Forum where people discussed about some questions that they are stumped on. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hello Dr. Dai Phan,

I have been to few interviews and all schools probably require me to take out at least 150K of loans for my dental education. My pre-dental grades are not good enough for state schools Then, I probably will have to take out more big loans to buy/build a practice later then.This really concerns me because I don't want to end up enslaving myself to debts and loans all my life. I really want to be financial free as soon as possible after graduation, so I can travel to third-world countries to provide free dental care, which is my true passion for dentistry. However, I also want to afford decent home and car for my family, and have enough time raising my family. I pretty much gave up the idea of specializing since I will accumulated too much debt after getting DMD/DDS degree. Do you have any dentist friends who are in the same situation and have to take huge sum of loan? How do they manage to buy good car and home while providing best dental care? Thank you for your honest answer.

Hello there,

It is very common to worry about the massive amount of debt that you will end up once you graduate from dental school. As it is frightening, you need to put this in perspective. Having a dental degree puts your career among the top professions in the society. You are not investing 200K to have a minimum wage job here. Personally, I do not know many dentists who don't net 6-digit figures. Many of my former students are making so much money that I envy them. So yes, the investment is big, but the trade off is big too so the "big" debt that you concern is actually small when you take into account how much you will take home. If you tell people that you are a dentist, they all think you are rich. It is not a perception (in some cases it can be extreme speaking from personal experience) but that's the fact in majority of the cases. Now, if you want to practice free dentistry the majority of the time, then yes, you need to reconsider your investment. You can take some time of your regular practice to go overseas and still have enough money left to buy what you want I assure you.

Regarding specializing, you will be given a small stipend to cover the tuition so yes, you may take additional debt but nothing like during dental school. Is it worth this? Yes, since having extra training will open many doors , not to mention more income potential for you.

So take the moral of the story is this:

1. Taking out debt to get a dental degree is an EXCELLENT investment.

2. Dentistry will give you a very comfortable income.

3. Specialization is highly recommended if you prefer to focus in one area and
do it well.

4. Yes, you will have time (and funds) to travel overseas.

5. And Yes, you will have the money to buy that Yugo you have been dreaming about!

Good luck in your decision. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Within the United Kingdom, there are 10 dental schools. In the next 2 years, they intend to build 6 more. Hence if I graduated with an Indian BDS degree and being UK Citizen, would it be suicidial as the UK will not need overseas dentists?

I am stumped on this one. Perhaps you should try the International Forum in the Dentistry section. DP

 

[rarm1]

1. Taking out debt to get a dental degree is an EXCELLENT investment.

2. Dentistry will give you a very comfortable income.

3. Specialization is highly recommended if you prefer to focus in one area and
do it well.

4. Yes, you will have time (and funds) to travel overseas.

5. And Yes, you will have the money to buy that Yugo you have been dreaming about!

Good luck in your decision. DP[/QUOTE]

I would agree,,, most of the students taking by residency have large debts.. and generally at low interest... none have problems paying them off. Often a residency helps you decide if you want a speciality, allows you to earn money, defer loans, and helps you get into a speciality program. Vacation time is limited though.. 2-3 weeks.

Delaware and several other states have loan repayment programs to help... after residency, those who stay can earn upto $75,000 in loan repayments.

I love dentistry... go for it

 

[rarm1]

Each country sets its own rules... even with more schools, foreign trained dentists can get in BUT still must qualify... and often redo training... each country has different or no rules for schools. I have been to many foreign countries helping with development of their educational programs... some have come a long way...

And yes, need will determine opportuntites for practice and entrance to programs... some US schools have nearly 100 applicants for each spot in special programs for foreign grads

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dear SDN Mentor,

I have gone through the rigorous interview process and am admitted to two schools that I both admired: UOP and Columbia. I am extremely excited about starting dental school, and I am also just pulling my hairs on which school to attend.
As you know, the two have different reputations, one is well known for high board scores and specialization rate, and the other for clinical skills. I am more inclined to UOP; I had a great time interviewing there, I liked to save one year, and I enjoyed the city and weather (I live in CA too). A lot of people say Columbia is better in preparing for specializing, and that a prestigious school opens more doors. Students from UOP also go on to specialty, just not as many ratio-wise. For me, I wish to become a specialist if I can do it. I know one's own effort determines getting into a residency, but I cannot rule out the thought that school like CU increases the chance.
Would you say I am not giving myself the best chance by not attending CU? Any advice for this situation like this is appreciated!

Congratulations to your acceptance! You will find out that dentistry will be a very satisfying and lucrative career. To answer your question, you need to look at your needs in the next three or four years. UOP has a three year program but it is a compressed one. The schedule will be more dense than the traditional 4 year program. That means you will have less time for pleasure compared to Columbia. The other factor is living in CA or NYC. I personally like to live in CA since I can't take the noise level in NY. If you have family or friends in CA and that is important to you, then you should bring this into your considerations. Now, regarding "high specialization rate" or "clinical skills", I assure you that it is YOU who make yourself competitive or not when comes to gaining admission to specialty program. If you are dedicated and work hard, you will gain admission REGARDLESS of where you graduate from. If you do your job, you will be a competent provider even if you go to the worse dental school in the US. Don't let the name of the school deciedes where you should go. If I was in your shoes, I would pick a city that I can enjoy as well as a school that costs the least. That means other schools beside UOP or Columbia. So choose the school that you like to attend but do NOT do it because of it offers you better chance to specialize or making you a better provider. These are nothing but perceptions that can steer a person into a wrong path in many of the cases. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

hello good evening,
i am interested in making artificial limbs, finger , ear, teeth, eye . can u suggest me a course which i can do. what is the course named as. how many yrs course is it? or is there any crash course?
ple tel me
thanks

Hello,

You should call the local dental laboratories and ask them about the technical schools that train dental lab technicians. Some schools will train the students to be proficient in maxillofacial prosthetics procedures as well as the regular dental laboratory techniques. If you like to learn of making these parts, you do not need to become a maxillofacial prosthodontist unless you fit them onto the patient either intra-orally or extra-orally. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hello Dr. Phan

I am an international student who came to US 3 years ago. I have BS and Master in Computer Science and also did research in radiology department for 1 year.

I took all my prerequisite course at community college at got 4.0. And also I took one and half years of phd courses in US. Unfortunately, I did not do well on my dat. I took dat 2 times. 1st time-biology 19, Chem-21, ochem-22, Pat 18, math 18, RC 14 (AA 19, TS 20, Pat 18) 2nd time-biology 20, chem 23, ochem 25, pat 20, math 19, RC 13 (AA 20, TS 22, Pat 20).

I applied to 20 schools but I only had 2 interviews. I went to 2 interviews but got rejection letter. I forgot to tell you but I took my 2nd dat on Sept 26, 2007. I really want to become a dentist so I want to reapply. As a result, I will transfer this spring semester to 4 year university and plan to take biochem, anatomy and physiology and microbiology. I also plan to do more shadowing. I also did a lot of research when I was a computer science student and have 7 years of work experience in computer field. I was so happy that I had 2 interviews but I don't what went wrong at the interview. I am so depress these days. Can you tell me how can I improve my application and give me interview tips. As you know I am an international student and I am not fluent in english.

Thank you

Hello,

Looking at your stats, you have some factors that are not in your favor:

1. Being international student- as you know, the slots for international students are limited and very competitive. With your low DAT score in the RC, it does not make you a very competitive applicant.

2. Your classes taken are from CC. The AC looks more favorably on your classes when they are taken at the university level.

3. Not fluent in English can work against you if you cannot properly convey your thoughts when being interviewed. You should look at the deficiencies in your English skill and try to improve them. Is it limited vocabularies, or not being able to understand when spoken to? An English class will certainly help.

You need to learn from your rejection why you are rejected and try ways to improve them. At the very least, concentrate to improve your RC score and take all future classes at the university level. Also try to improve your overall GPA if it is below a 3.25. You should also know that applying when not having a BS is more difficult to get acceptance since the majority of applicants have a bachelor degree. Let me know if I can be of more help and Happy New Year! DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions. Just a quick question. If you are accepted to a Dental School after 3 years and proceed to complete a D.D.S/D.M.D degree are you eligible to do M.Sc or Ph.D in oral biology or do you half to have a bachelors degree? Thanks in advance.

Once you have the DDS/DMD then you can get a graduate degree (MS/PhD) in oral biology in schools that offer them. There some schools that offer combined DDS/MS or DDS/PhD and if you don't mind spending 2-3 years extra then do it. Having advanced degree will open many doors for you. I wish I would have gone on and get my PhD... Oh well DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr. Phan,

I was recently told by a GP that when a dentist specializes, he/she can only do procedures in his/her specialty. For example, if a dentist specializes in endodontics, he/she is not allowed to do general dentistry work--only endodontic work. Is this true?

Thanks.

That is partially correct. If I advertise myself as an endondontist, I should limit my treatment to the field of endodontics. However, at times I can render some general dentistry procedures but should be done sparingly and not habitually. For example, if a patient comes in for root canal and she also have a chipped front tooth, I can do the RCT and then do a restoration too so she can look presentable in public. You are not going to loose your license over this. You will be looked at by the Dental Board if you start to do this on a regular basis like putting crowns on or doing periodontal scaling and so forth... DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

I have been working in the field of Social Work for over 5+yrs with my Masters. Right now I put in at least half my time just doing paper work which is very cumbersome at times. There are a lot of individuals that I meet on a daily basis that do drain me emotionally. Lately I have been seriously considering Dentistry for many different reasons. I feel that I would have less paperwork, the people would not drop emotional loads of baggage on me, and I could be my own boss. There is the financial aspect that I could be investing into something that could potentially help me to retire not only with the salary but also having a practice that I could sell after building it up for years. I don't know if I am in dream land at this point thinking that there would just be the pros to working as a Dentist or if this could actually be a reality for me. I am 32yrs old and have three children and a very supportive wife. What are some of the advantages that you have seen being seasoned in the profession so far and why are others finding this profession appealing compared to others? Thanks for your time!

Hello,

There is nothing worse than waking up every day and hate going to work. Life is too short to live an unfulfilling life. I have never in private practice other than having my half day a week in a faculty practice while I taught at University at Tennesee from 2001-2003 so I am not an expert in advising regarding private practice issues. I have heard from my friends who say that running a practice is easy as pie and some who say that it is a daunting task. I can say that:

1. You are only 32 and there is plenty of time to get your degree and practice dentistry.

2. Dentistry is a VERY satisfying career.

3. Dentistry has excellent income potential. Expect your NET income to be in six digit figures.

4. You can have a very comfortable life style. I love mine !

5. You will be your OWN boss if you have a private practice. However, just know that you do NOT need to be your own boss to be happy. I am just a staff dentist but I have a nice boss, wonderful supporting staff and I am happy like a lark !

6. Dentistry is getting harder and harder to get in. Doesn't that tell you something about this field ?

You should shadow your dentists in different specialties and talk to them about running a practice. If you choose dentistry for the RIGHT reasons, it will be the best thing you could have done to your life (and your family!). DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

I have got myself into a state of depression and as ever I turn to SDN and this thread for some support and urgent advice.

If you look at my previous 2 questions, I said I decided to go to India to do dentistry. However due to some circumstances I am in UK doing Pharmacy. Pharmacy is a course which interests me and I think my personality would be better suited to it in comparison in to dentistry. However, the teaching standards in the UK are poor and although I have struggled I havent failed a single exam as of yet. Secondly I have struggled to make friends and the 1 closest and best friend I have made is leaving to do dentistry in scotland. Now the reason I stayed in pharmacy was to try it out for a year and not take a rash decision and just move to India as what would happen if I moved to india and I hated the course there?

However, the problems I am facing at the moment are, my friend is leaving, there is too much maths in pharmacy and my maths is poor, really poor. I have applied to sree ramachandra dental college in India, madras. Now my plan is to stick it out till june here in the UK and see what happens. I just want your humble advice on the following Dr:

1. Does dentistry just revolve around biology
2. Is it just a case of being good with your hands
3. I have a feeling I will struggle to adjust in india as although I used to study there, I have been in UK for 10 years now.
4. Will me having a uk citizenship be handy when I look back for jobs in UK or US.

I am sorry about this long post, but I am seriously depressed at present about my future.

Hello,

I am very sorry to hear about your situation. It seems that neither dentistry nor pharmacy seems to be your passion at this point. Have you consider medicine or other healthcare professions? I think you should sit down and evaluate if you should continue studying phamarcy in UK as you seem to be very unhappy about your education. You should shadow some dentists and find out more about the field before you committ to it. You should do it soon since the longer you are in your current situation, the more difficullt it is to leave. There is nothing worse than spending years to get a degree but not being happy with it. I also sense that you have some issues with social life and I suggest you speak with a therapist to address your concern.

Healthcare professionals deal with people on a daily basis so you need to have "people skill" or you will have problems in your practice. Regarding your questions about dentistry:

1. Dentistry is mainly a surgical field so you do not need to have a command of biology unless you are into research. However, you must have a good command of basic science courses to do well on entrance examination.

2. Having good hand skill is a MUST in dentistry as you work with your hands 99% of the time. However, you can enjoy dentistry if you go into specialties that do not require you to do much surgical tasks such as oral pathology, radiology or public health.


3. Only you can determine if you will struggle in India. If the thought of being in a foreign country intimidates you, then perhaps you should stay in UK.

4. Having a foreign dental degree (except from Canada) will not allow you to practice in the US unless you go to the US dental school as an advanced standing student. It is highly competitive and many have unsuccesfully tried to gain acceptance. In some states, you can do post graduate residencies in lieu of enrolling in US schools. This route is highly competitive as well.

My advise to you is to re-evaluate your goals and you should consult with a health care professional if you think your depression starts to interfer with your daily activities. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr. Phan,

I have worked in several dental offices (as a front office assistant) where the dentist preferred not to be involved in the business side. These dentists hired a business manager to take care of managing a support staff, paperwork, treatment planning.... everything. The dentist arrived in the morning, did her procedures, and then went home before anyone else did.
What do you think of this approach to a dental business?

The dentist told me that this approach relieves a lot of stress. In addition, they felt that a dentist should have no part in negotiating treatment plans with the patient--their only job was to do the dental work. On the other hand, I heard stories about previous managers embezzling money from the dentist.

Hello,

My only private practice was when I had a half day a week at the faculty practice where I just showed up and provided treatment then go back to school to lecture. I practically had to worry about nothing. If I ever end up having a practice in the future, I would leave much of the administrative work to the bussiness manager and that's what they are there for. However, I will need to know where my cash goes at the end of the day. You can't really trust anyone completetly with your money as you have heard of managers embezzling money from their boss. You have to have complete control of what goes in and what goes out money wise or else you will be at a high risk for fraud and scams. Big companies that has a high cash flow rate have an auditing system to prevent such risks. You may want to talk to ones who have a private practice how they do to prevent such problems.

Who ever told you that dentists have no part in negotiating treatment plans with patients for sure does not know much about dentistry. There are many treatment options and YOU, that's right YOU are the one who will discuss with the patient on what route to take. Not your dental asssistant, not your hygienist, not your manager or anyone else. I can't really imagine any dentists would show up and do the treatment presented before them without questions. Most likely, you were told that the dentist should play no part in negotiating the fees with the patients. And that I think it is the right thing to do. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hello-

I have just scheduled my first interview (which happens to be a my first choice school), and am quite nervous about making a good impression. Do you have any suggestions for making this experience less stressful? Also, if you don't mind, could you suggest any specific things that i should or should not do at my interview, as well as what kind of questions I should be prepared to respond to?

thanks

Hi, go to my #39 post in this thread and look for "Interview Tips". You need to be relaxed and be yourself. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr Phan, I’m from Singapore and am currently doing an undergraduate course in Chemistry. I have thought of doing my MSc or go over to a dental grad school overseas after my bachelors. In my country, we do not have any dental grad school, my university is the only local university that offers an undergraduate degree in dentistry but it only admits 42 students a year and it’s highly competitive. The reason why I’m considering doing dentistry is because I’m not sure whether I can imagine myself being stuck in the lab for the rest of my life, and research is not really my cup of tea. Also, I have been to an OMS specialist lately for some jaw problems and underwent some surgeries. Since then, I have developed some kind of interest in dentistry. Being a dentist will allow me to interact with patients from all walks of life and I’m always interested in the healthcare industry. Of course, I will shadow a dentist to find out more about the profession during my term break. I hope to hear some advices from you.

1) Is it advisable to do my undergraduate honours?
2) I have not done any biology before, the only course I did which was somewhat related was one semester of biochemistry in my university.
3) My grades aren’t fantastic, they averages about B, in my university, we work on a 5 point scale.
4) I thought of working for at least 2 years after completing my bachelors, at the meantime, I will try to save as much as possible and prepare for whatever tests that are needed for the dental course.
5) How do international students apply for dental schools? Is it necessary for us to fly over to the country for interviews, DAT etc? What about completing the pre-requisites courses?
6) Which country’s dental school should I apply? I’m thinking of Australia as it is the closest to my home country and the exchange rate is nearly on par to that of Singapore. This is the list of dental degrees that are recognized in my country.
http://www.sdc.gov.sg/html/MungoBlobs/756/337/THE%20SCHEDULE%20(020108).pdf
7) I’m very concerned with the school fees, as I’m currently taking a bank loan to finance the current undergraduate course that I’m doing right now, so after I graduate, I would have to pay up my bank loan first before I can proceed to save up for my dental school. How much does dental school cost, on average?

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my doubts! I hope to hear from you soon.

Hello,

I am afraid I am not quite versed on overseas dental education. Perhaps you should post your questions in the international forum. I am sorry I can't be more help. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi all,

In preparing for your next interview, I have compiled some questions that you may be asked so you can ponder on your answers. Remember that you are there to find out why you should attend their school too so don't be intimidated. Once you are at the interview stage, you are a serious contender so be confident!

Questions you maybe asked:

1. Tell me about yourself.
2. What do you think about our city?
3. Why did you choose this undergraduate degree?
4. Can you explain why you got such a low grade here?
5. Tell me why you seem to struggle in this particular class the second
time around?
6. How do you think you will handle dental school curriculum based on
what I have seen here (good or bad)?
7. Are you a worrier?
8. Is stress good or bad for you?
9. How did you choose dentistry?
10. How much time did you spend investigating this field?
11. Tell me what a dentist does.
12. Tell me something that you hate about dentistry?
13. Tell me something you love about dentistry?
14. How many specialties are there in dentistry?
15. Do you plan to specialize? If yes, tell me what field?
16. Do you plan to go into academics?
17. Are you a perfectionist?
18. How many dental schools did you apply?
19. Tell me why you choose our school?
20. What do you know about our school?
21. Why should we accept you?
22. What are your plans if you get rejected?
23. If you can't be a dentist, what would you be?
24. If we were to offer you a spot now, would you take it?
25. What are your strengths?
26. What are your weaknesses?
27. Have you ever face a hardship in your life and tell me how you
overcome it?
28. Will you apply to our school again if we reject you this year?
29. Where do you plan to practice?
30. What are the problems facing dentistry today?
31. What do you think about the lack of access to oral care in rural
areas?
32. If you extract a wrong tooth, what would you do?
33. Do you plan to do research once you are in dental school?
34. Are you creative? Tell me what you do in your spare time?
35. Do you have good dexterity?
36. Do you play any musical instruments?
37. What is the difference between a dentist and a doctor? (trick question)
38. Do you have any questions for us?
39. How do you handle rude patients?
40. Do you do any charity work?

Questions you SHOULD ask the interviewer:

1. What is your class size?
2. What is the attrition rate for the first two years?
3. How does your school rank on National Boards passing rate?
4. How is your tuition compared to other surrounding schools?
5. Are there opportunities to do research with faculty?
6. What do you think about my chances of being accepted here?
(should ask last).

Your ultimate goal at the interview is to strengthen your application. By all means, do not let your subpar performance negate all the hard work you have done to get you to this stage. You need to come across as confidant but not arrogant and yet humble. You need to show the passion for the career you choose ahead of you. You need to show assertiveness, ask questions and demonstrate that you are the right candidate for their school. Do not volunteer "bad" information unless asked. And when asked don't "beat around the bush" or make excuses but show him/her what you have done since to correct the problem. If they have sympathy for you, that "bad" information will work for you. A good interview is when you leave a long lasting good impression of you in his/her mind. This can be achieved only if you interact with the interviewer by conversing rather than just giving out responses. Think before you speak and don't be afraid to say: "I am sorry but I do not have the answer at this point". No answer is better than a bad answer. Do not use layman's terms such as "doctor" or "price"; instead use "physician" or "fee" terminology. Remember to thank the person and tell him/her that you hope for a positive outcome. Sometimes you can know your chances right then and there but do not press him/her into giving you the scoop on your chances. At times, an action or a gesture can speak for itself. Good luck and let me know if I can be of more help! DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dear Dr.Dai Phan,
I am an international dentist.Recently ,I have had problem with my L4-L5.I wish that I be able to continue my career in orthodontics,which may be easier for me to handle with this bad back.I am not young and need a quick fix.And I do not have researches or publications and so on. I was just a General Dentist for more than 17 years.
my question is that Which of these two options do you think is more likely to end in success?
1. Take exams and apply to every possible program.
2. start with an international one year program ,and then apply for full programs.
If you don't like my whole idea,I appreciate it if you give me some advice in this regard!
Thanks.

Hello,

Orthodontic residency in the States are highly competitive and for an international student trying to get a spot is even higher. I would email the PD with your credentials and ask what they think about your stats. With very competitive credentials, I would think it is possible. I had a friend from China once who did her orthodontics residency back in 1997 while I was doing my pros. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dr. Phan,

I was wondering if you could possibly write me a little primer on your opinions of prosth and mxfac prosth programs around the country. It's not for me specifically, but there's a few people at UoP who are interested in prosth and would love to have something like that to work with.

Hello,

Prosthodontics is one of nine recognized dental specialties. Prosthodontists restore dentitions that are beyond the skill of the restoring dentists. Prosthodontic residency lasts 3 years that by completion you will get a Certificate in prosthodontics and a Masters degree (if the program provides it). Once graduated from a prosthodontic residency, you will be highly trained in providing both fixed and removable prosthesis. If you want to learn about providing prostheses extra-orally then you need to complete an additional year fellowship in maxillofacial prosthodontics. Admission is highly competitive due to limited programs and numbers of students allowed (usually 1-2 a year per program). To get entrance, you must have completed prosthodontic training with excellent credentials. During this year, you will learn how to manage patients with head and neck cancer, trauma and anything in between. Since a maxillofacial prosthodontist is a part of the cancer team, you will learn how to interact with other health care providers in managing the patient. This field is highly rewarding since your treatment allows the persons to look presentable in public and restores their ability to function after losing part of their faces or oral cavity. Since prosthodontists are specialists in prosthetics, they often provide treatments for temporal mandibular disorder and sleep apnea through prosthetic intervention.

Prosthodontic residency is tough and expect to put some hours after hours and on weekends. This is because you are expected to be a dentist as well as a lab technician. To thrive in your residency, excellent hand skill is a must or you will struggle. However, it is worth it at the end as you will learn the rationale of each restorative procedure that more than often, they were not well explained or taught in dental schools. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr.Phan,
I would like to begin with all my appreciation for your kindness in answering my question.I am a foreign dentist who have completed the graduation in dentistry in Bangladesh(in South Asia).Now i am a registered dentist here.I have a tremendous intention to pursue post graduate study in any branch of dentistry in USA.I have visited the websites of many dental school.But they show this &that exam which i have to pass.Is there any possibility where i could get direct admission & during my course i could sit for the necessary exam? Please help me,and show me the way to your country in my profession.I know the procedure of licensing in USA.But i just i want to get admitted to any dental school.Your help will really be appreciated.

Hello,

I think you should contact the ADA (American Dental Association) and get some information for international graduates who would like to practice in the US. The only two ways I know is to enroll in US Dental school as advanced standing or doing a post graduate residency in lieu of the former requirement. Then you can apply for state license. However, not all states in the US accept this so you need to check with the state you plan to practice in. Getting admission as international student is highly competitive and the schools you plan to apply should have information for international applicants on their Web sites. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dear Dr Phan,

Could you please explain to me what the different specialities within BDS are and what each of them means. For example, Orthodontics etc.

Secondly, do you think that eventually it will become too hard for India dentists to get a place in the US due to so much compeition. If I go to India, it will be 5-6 years before I reapply so I am asking about future situation.

Thirdly, what are the procedures for becoming a dentist in Canada, Australia or Newzeland after graduation from India?

Warm Regards

Hello,

Currently there are 9 recognized dental specialties for US, Canada and Australia dental education. I am not versed in India dental system so I cannot answer your inquiry. You should contact the Dental Board in your country for your question. To practice in other countries besides US, you need to contact them directly as I have no clue to what the requirements are. I am afraid I can't be more help. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dr. Phan,

In your opinion/from you experience/from other Dr's you know, is it actually advantageous to have the military pay for your dental education and serve the 4 years making 60k a year but with no debt.... or just go the stafford loan route and pay them off yourself? longterm?

Hello,

It all depends on how you want to do the "payback". I have heard everything ( good to bad to between) about military scholarship (or any kind of "payback" scholarship) from people who have done them. Some think it is an excellent deal while others think otherwise. You need to look at the contract carefully and see if it fits your lifestyle. There is both plus and minus on this one. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr Phan.. Im 21 years old turning 22 this march.. I just found out last year that I want to become a dentist. Im currently enrolled at Glendale community college as my first year in college.. I scored low in math placement test and I have to start from the very bottom and work my way up.. I havent selected which classes to take up yet because Im not too sure which classes to take for my dentistry.. My question is can i take any classes for my first 2 years of college since its just general education and will not affect my dentistry..or do i have to take classes that is related to dentistry for the first tow years of my college..ihope my question is not too confused..im just very confused and this is my first time in college..thanks and I will be waiting for your response..

Hello,

This is where your health profession advisor steps in. I suggest you make an appointment with him or her. Since you have not done well, I suggest you need to concentrate on getting your grades up before tacking some courses required for dental school admission. Visit the ADA Website or the schools you are interested in for these requirements. Take some general classes and once you do well, then you can start taking those courses. I think you should enroll in a university as classes taken at CC do not have much weight in them and can hurt your chances. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr Phan..its me again.. Im a freshman at a community college and I really want to become a dentist..what advice can you give me so I dont messed up along the way? and what subjects do I need to focus on? Please reply! thanks..Im very desperate for an answer.. =)

Hello there,

You need to apply and get in a 4-year university (anywhere) then start looking at the classes needed for dental school admission. Mix these courses with easy ones so you don't end up overwheming yourself. Go slow at first and see if you can handle them. Even if it takes you 5 year for a BS degree but with high GPA, I think it will be worth it. You should also schedule to speak with the health profession advisor on your dentistry career path. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Dr. Phan


I know the general advice is to enjoy and relax before dental school, but I think I would relax a lot better with a review in biochemistry and anatomy. Can you recommend some older edition textbooks. I apologize if this was already asked and I greatly appreciate your help.

Hi there,

Take a long vacation before dental school as you will see there ain't much time for it once you start. Don't even think about those biology text books right now. It is not that bad, trust me! DP

PS: If you want to be in "Odd News" at Yahoo News, bring your biochemistry book to peruse while laying in a hammock sipping margaritta on Aruba beach (and make sure you bring a stack of heavy duty books too!). DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi--I recently was accepted to both Tufts and UPenn and am having trouble choosing between the two!! Do you have any advice? Upenn has a great curriculum and is ivy league but Tufts is in Boston (where i live and love!) and I got a really good feeling from the students there. In the long run do you think it would be foolish to give up on Upenn because of a "feeling"?

Hello,

Choose a shool that has lower tution and live in city that you like. Any school will produce you as a competent provider. Forget about Ivy league status. Other fields like law or bussiness may be applicable but not in dentistry. Sure it sounds impressive at Thanksgiving dinner table but it does nothing as far as giving you more chances to specialize or making patients in awe of you. It's what you make of it. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr. Phan,

I was just wondering if you knew any information about California State Schools for undergrad. Information about which school would be my best bet for going pre-dental or which school has a higher rate of students accepted into dental schools.

Thank you!

Hi,

It does not matter what school or major as long as you enroll in a university (not CC) and have solid GPA, DAT. I would pick a school in a city that you like to live and pick a major that gives you the best chance of getting a good GPA. Don't forget that you must do well on the science courses too. With a large numbers of applicants each year, it is all about the stats. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

hello doc.
i m student of bechlore of dental sciences in india as intern.
sir i want to work as a dental surgon in usa\ australia.
please tell me the accurate procedure that how can i apply.
thanking you.

Hello,

You will need to contact the state you plan to be in and inquire about obtaining licensure there. To my best knowledge, in order to become licensed in USA, you either have to enroll in US dental school as an advanced standing student then with that you can take state exams and become licensed after graduation. Some states in the US allow you to complete a US residency in lieu of getting the US dental degree. You also have to content with obtaining working visa here too. I strongly suggest the ADA to inquire as they are more knowledgable in this. I have no clue about practicing in Autralia. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hi Dr. Phan,

My name is Matt, and I am currently finishing up my sophomore year of undergrad.

I have a quick question for you about some things I have been hearing about dental school. I hear that now more than ever it is very competitive to get into a dental school. The standards are higher than usual because there are more applicants than there are normally. In your opinion would you believe this to be true?

My other question is a bit more personal. I recently had a T.A tell me that he applied to 17 dental schools and he got into 8 of them. He has a cummulative gpa of a 3.95 and although I can't remember the numbers, he had excellent D.A.T scores. After expressing my interests in dental schools, he said that since i am a white male, i will have a very tough time getting into dental school, or finding a dental school that will want me to apply.

He also said that my current gpa (3.0 on a 4.0 scale) simply won't cut it, and that i should "rethink" my career choice. I realize that my gpa isn't amazing, but it is after only 3 semesters of college. Does this put me out of the running already?

My gpa may not be great, but i transfered in over 30 credits from high school, giving me a gpa of a 3.98. (This gpa is not configured into my current gpa).

I am very involved in both my campus and the community. I help run a martial arts school, in which i am a head instructor, I work a job both on campus, and off of campus. I am a resident advisor, and student ambassador at my school. In the summers I help to run a youth sports organization, and a road race training program with my family.

Also I have been interning with both an oral surgeon, and a dentist since my senior year of high school. Over the past 2 years I have about 80 to 90 hours of shadowing in that time, and i plan to continue that this summer.

I am a very busy person, and usually consider myself to be very driven, however i feel that this comment has made me start to look at things in a more negative light. My other pre-dental friends all talk about their top schools of choice, and possible specializations, all I can think about is if I will be able to get into a school in the United States.

Basically what I'm asking is, do i have a shot at any dental school? or is it too late for me? Do people get into dental schools with cummulative gpa's of 3.1's and 3.2's today? Or is this something that no long occurs. I know that I could do the job, and I know that i'd be great at it, I just feel like they'll look at my gpa, see that it's not that high, and toss me to the side. I am afraid to ask my mentors this because i feel like they will no longer look at me as a qualified dental school candidate. I would love to hear your opinion and your advice on what I should do to ensure myself a spot at a dental school.

Thank you! and sorry if this was a bit long to read!

-I hope you are able to assist me!

-Matt
​

Hello Matt,

Dental schools are becoming more and more competitive to get in. Dentistry is making a strong come back after the "slump" in the mid eighties. The reason is that many students discover many appealing aspects dentistry has such as excellent income potential, great life style and ample job opportunity. Also with the hassles with managed health care in medicine, many have turn to dentistry and more and more people are making it among their top choices in health care career. With today's increasing applicant pool, you need to have good stats. Good stats means good GPA and DAT. Extracurricular activities or excellent letters of recommendation certainly help but not much. Everybody who applies has tons of community service and raving letters of recommendations. What set you apart from others is your GPA preferably at least 3.3 and DAT at least 19. There are others who got in with lower stats so it is possible. However, there are other factors that overcome the weak GPA, DAT such as luck, unique circumstances or achievement in life or a personal statement that makes the AC weeps. Your goal is to work hard in the next two years to bring your stats as high as possible even if it takes you longer than 4 years to get a bachelor degree. I really feel that it is all about the numbers when you have such a large applicant pool. Yes, your GPA of 3.0 is weak and unless you score in the 90% percentile of the DAT, your chance of getting in is not very strong. However, if this is all you can get then by all means apply. You need to have a strong personal statement, LORs and hopefully they can make up for your weak stats.

Regarding your TA comments about you being all white and not gaining admission is total bunk. The schools care about qualified students and race does not play a role as this is a form of discrimination.

Do not be discouraged from applying since "so and so told me that I don't have a chance". If you do so, you are already rejecting yourself. Yes, there are people who got in with below average stats and so can you. However you need to be realistic too. Applying to 20 schools with 2.0 GPA and 14 DAT is not very smart. You should work with your advisor who can look at your grades, DAT, EC and advise you. If that person starts to tell you that you are wasting your time at this early stage in your education, go and find someone else. DP

 

[Dr. Dai Phan]

Hello dr.dai phan,

I'm a foreign trained dentist and recently got acceptance into nyu,but i'm confused abt joining this school.my biggest concern is the cost which will be arround 210k without accomodation amount added,with a interest rate be arround 9.
I'm doubtfil tht will i be able to pay all this amount....bz repayment will start 6 months after graduation.can u tell me minimum amount a newly graduated dentist can earn if he or she is working as a associate dentist per year ,working 4days or 5 days per week.? considering the fact tht i would have to take working visa after graduation.

Most of my friends told me to accept nyu and don't miss this oppertunity bt i'm thinking ahead of graduation bz at last i have to pay tht much loan.I have applied to 2 schools and for other i'm waiting for interview,which have less cost.
In the end ,considering all these things wht do u suggest?Is it better to wait for next year and apply to 2 years programm with 170k loan or take admission into nyu....

I'm anxiously waiting for your experienced opnion as don't have much time left to respond to nyu

Thanks for helping,
Mano

Certainly cost is a factor but at the same time, ask yourself if you can get in elsewhere if you turn NYU down. If your stats are very good and have a liberty to pick and choose, then I would wait for a cheaper school. However, if that is not the case then I would take what is offered to me. If so you need to see if having a US dental degree worth your investment. There are so many personal factors that only you can make this decision. DP