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Alot of big talk from the newer schools, but are there actually any new (not currently established) residency programs actually set in motion to open 2017 and onward?
https://apps.acgme-i.org/ads/Public...entYear=2018&SpecialtyId=&AcademicYearId=2016
I wouldn't bother with the AOA page anymore since the merger is going on and at this point there is no point to get AOA accredited for a residency. Just type ACGME new residency programs on google and see what pops up. (Granted, some of the residencies on the page will be former AOA programs, but the rest are new residencies/fellowships nationwide).
So to be clear, what you are saying is, other than maybe ACOM IM, there are no COMs building residency programs. I'm not referring to AOA -> ACGME transitioning programs, but brand new ones.
I know BCOM has created several residency programs over multiple specialities. It's not nearly equal to the number of students going to BCOM, but they did create spots.
Can you link us to the residencies that they have created? Should be linked or to the hospitals.
I truly believe BCOM isn't going to follow through with their statements of building a large number of residencies. MUCOM hasn't done it and they touted that since they started.
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Disagree. The AOA page is incredibly useful also because sometimes the PD writes notes for their program (like how many students they are planning on taking, minimum step/level scores, etc.). If you are a current student, the AOA page can help you a lot.
MUCOM graduated its first class this year while not opening a single (not 1) new GME seat in the state.Does MUCOM still claim to be building spots or did they just give up? They always seemed a bit overhyped anyhow.
This.
Too many to name here. Look on AOA opportunities, it's literally all of the NC residencies except for the family med residencies in Fayetteville and Morganton, which are VCOM residencies. So about 16 different programs and counting as I know they are adding psych at cape fear next year among others.
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Then go look at the AOA residencies..? ARCOM has IM and FM spots opened up for the 2017 match.I'll believe ARCOM when I see it. NY-AR however I could see following through, as NYIT has a big GME system already.
They have also joined up with an OPTI in TN to help establish more... or something. I am curious what happened to their first dean of clinical education...Then go look at the AOA residencies..? ARCOM has IM and FM spots opened up for the 2017 match.
Ya that'll be interesting to watch and see if something comes out of it. As far as the first dean, the president told me the guy was more interested in flying around the country for conventions than hiring staff so they went separate ways. There's always two sides to every story though so who really knows..They have also joined up with an OPTI in TN to help establish more... or something. I am curious what happened to their first dean of clinical education...
Ohh, my bad. Yes I noticed that too. No idea about that one. She was a pretty significant figure too as far as osteopathic national board members if I remember correctly? They've had some interestingly quick turnover, that's for sure.Not the Dean , but the lady who was trying to setup the GME stuff and clinical rotations... younger, blonde... seemed to be a key player but she is absent from the website.
Yeah she was awesome. Wish I could even remember he name...Ohh, my bad. Yes I noticed that too. No idea about that one. She was a pretty significant figure too as far as osteopathic national board members if I remember correctly? They've had some interestingly quick turnover, that's for sure.
Alot of big talk from the newer schools, but are there actually any new (not currently established) residency programs actually set in motion to open 2017 and onward?
These are the CUSOM programs
Can you explain why in the IM section 2 are dead links/direct to page not found?
I'd rather COMs not establish new residencies. It's bad enough they erected another school...
Can you explain why in the IM section 2 are dead links/direct to page not found?
The other 2 are as follows:
Sampson Regional --> 5 spots. None are open. They have not completed their ACGME application.
MooreHealth --> 45 spots. None are open. They have not completed their ACGME application.
It's concerning because they may not make the cut.
Can you explain why in the IM section 2 are dead links/direct to page not found?
The other 2 are as follows:
Sampson Regional --> 5 spots. None are open. They have not completed their ACGME application.
MooreHealth --> 45 spots. None are open. They have not completed their ACGME application.
It's concerning because they may not make the cut.
Hmmmmm, am srs. How can you be so short-sighted?Uhhh cant tell if srs
Im totally fine with new schools popping up left and right if they carry their own or more with GME expansion, the problem is theyre not so far
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A lot of people seem to believe medicine is exempt from simple economics. It scares me to death, because I want my classmates and future physicians to be just as aggressive as I am when it comes to protecting our (my future) profession. The current trend in medicine of being an employee/salaried position is already a cause for concern, imo. It is what it is I guess, I'm sure there is another side to this argument that I'm missing.The bottleneck currently we have from a saturation of the profession is residencies. If a hoard of residencies opened up it would certainly be bad for medicine. Salaries would plummet, training would get diluted, and we would complete our dissent into the world of the law professions short sightedness. I believe that was @Giovanotto's point.
Hmmmmm, am srs. How can you be so short-sighted?
The bottleneck currently we have from a saturation of the profession is residencies. If a hoard of residencies opened up it would certainly be bad for medicine. Salaries would plummet, training would get diluted, and we would complete our dissent into the world of the law professions short sightedness. I believe that was @Giovanotto's point.
A lot of people seem to believe medicine is exempt from simple economics. It scares me to death, because I want my classmates and future physicians to be just as aggressive as I am when it comes to protecting our (my future) profession. The current trend in medicine of being an employee/salaried position is already a cause for concern, imo. It is what it is I guess, I'm sure there is another side to this argument that I'm missing.
I'd rather not get close to that point or flirt with that idea. Plus, cities are already oversaturated, and no matter what you say, people will continue to flock to them, and not to areas that are deprived.What you are completely missing is that residencies have grown at essentially a fixed rate for years. This rate mirrors population growth. We do actually need more residencies to open. The growth that is happening will not impact job markets.
No it isn't immune from economics but we are very far away from the point where a BC physician won't be able to give find a stable, well paying job due to oversaturation.
The employee/salary thing is a product of the corporisation of healthcare. Basically fancy powerpoint presentations by non-medical MBAs took over healthcare and doctors didn't know how to stop it.
So to be clear, what you are saying is, other than maybe ACOM IM, there are no COMs building residency programs. I'm not referring to AOA -> ACGME transitioning programs, but brand new ones.
No, there are numerous new residencies that open every year. Usually it's around 100 programs, but who knows with the merger.
From the 2017 and 2016 lists, I remember there being new programs from RVU, ACOM, COMP, CCOM, LECOM, NYCOM, Nova, and I want to say one of the Touros (there were more, but these are just ones I remember). Unfortunately, for some reason I can no longer access this info on the AOA site. It now says "Access Denied". They used to publish a list of new programs, and just like AOA opportunities, the were labeled with the COM/OPTI they were sponsored by. I don't know why they revamped things. A lot of info that was previously there is gone now.
Here's the link for what it's worth, maybe one of you guys have access: http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-aoa/Education/Pages/new-aoa-approved-ogme-programs.aspx
EDIT: Just rediscovered this thread, props to @Mad Jack for actually documenting some of this stuff prior to the purge.
Osteopathic GME Expansion in 2015
To counter: what you're completely missing is the fact that this is a distribution problem, not simply an issue of numbers.
I'd assume you knew, and I still don't follow your logic.I know, but the fact is that residencies have been increasing yearly for a long time. The rate of growth will not affect job markets. The large cities are already saturated and have been for a while, that is nothing new.
I don't know how it helps them to hide the match results, but I know they do. I think the AOA will keep the party going as long as they can before shuttering. Its a brave new world out there tho once they do.
While I have no interest in AOA for my own residency (not that it will matter by the time I match), I do have a great interest in them keeping more options open to DO's cause the merger didn't change PD's mind about us.
Its pretty clear to me that we need to be protective of primary care even as that is going to be DO bread and butter. Out of my school, half the grads matched in AOA, and there were over 175 (out of like 205) that matched FM or IM (mostly nonacademic). I know everyone just "picks what they want" but the reality is that as DOs what we get to pick from is smaller and costlier, but still came from the cheapo costco tub.
So I am with Giovanotto earlier. I don't want more expansion, all you have to do is look at the nursing and pharm 'shortage' to see how that will work out. The ironic thing is all the projected shortages are based on baby boomers, half of whom will be dead in 10-15 years. What happens then guys? Will the schools that opened up to meet these shortages close? Will the new residency close? Just think about it.
I am going off what the school sent us. I had 95 (off the top of my head) IM and 75ish FM when I counted. Add in the 6-12 peds, and you are at 175 easy for primary. That list in the thread is slightly different than the two official emails I got, but it may be better. I saw no Radiology matches in the official email, but I suppose 2-3 could have soaped because the school only sent a list with 203 matches when you added up AOA, military, san fran and ACGME. It was a depressing list to be honest.
I'd assume you knew, and I still don't follow your logic.
Yeah, I'd message the person who posted that one to see which is more accurate. By my counts using that list ~75% placed in primary care, which is probably the high end of the spectrum compared to other COMs. DCOM usually does have a higher PC placement rate along with I think WCU and KYCOM.