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How many of you are interested in pursuing a combined degree program if you get admitted?

These include:

MD/PhD - No interest myself, don't want to be a basic science researcher
MD/JD - maybe if the law school is good
MD/MBA - quite interested
MD/MPH - quite interested
MD/MA - applied at Tufts maybe interested

What about you? Do you like any of the above?

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I recently met a guy doing an MD/JD at Duke and I must say that it seems like a crazy amount of work. From what I understand he did his first two years of med school, goes and takes three years to earn the JD then he goes back to finish the MD. Not sure what he is going to use the degrees for (didn't ask) but it seems to me you'd have to have a pretty specific career in mind to go through all of that.
 
I would only pursue a combined degree only if it can be completed in 4 years.
 
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I'm only applying MD/PhD programs because...

1. I love learning.
2. I love research.
 
MD/PhD - very interested
MD/JD - pointless, waste of time, no real job that utilizes both degrees well
MD/MBA - interested, maybe get MD first and go for an executive MBA program
MD/MPH - no interest
MD/MA - no interest
 
MD/JD degrees are actually useful for malpractice insurance lawyers.
 
MD/JD degrees are actually useful for malpractice insurance lawyers.

Um no, they aren't. 99.999% of medmal lawyers only have the JD and do fine. It's much easier and cheaper to hire the same MD who's going to be your expert witness to talk to you about the medical aspects of the case than to have a JD who also has an MD to fill in that gap. No real point in this combined degree at all except for (1) government health policy work -- and even there you are going to have to convince an employer why one degree isn't adequate, and (2) academics -- you could be a bigshot on medical ethics and legal aspects of medicine, usually working at a law school, not in medicine, but it's hard to get these jobs. But no, for medmal (either in law firms or working in-house for insurance companies (which is a dying model BTW because it's currently cheaper for insurance companies to hire law firms to do this on a per matter basis rather than keep someone in house) it's a waste of a degree). Sorry but, speaking as someone with both degrees, the above post is simply wrong.

The only combined degrees of any value are MD/PhD and MD/MPH, and only if you have a specific job target in mind, not just for the sake of being an over achiever.
 
I definitely want an MD/MPH. I work at CDC now and have come to know and enjoy the broader application of medicine to affect public policy. I hope this works out! Good luck to all in their endeavors.
 
I am applying MD/JD now, hoping to split time between academic law and clinical medical practice. We will see how that works out.
 
I am applying MD/JD now, hoping to split time between academic law and clinical medical practice. We will see how that works out.

It will not. Realistically, you are going to have to pick one, making the other a total waste. Pretty much everyone with both degrees finds they have to pick one -- there are a negligible number of jobs that allow you to do both (being a health policy government exployee or a medical ethics prof are the only two I know of that you can actually use both degrees in any real sense), and it's not realistic to expect to hold two different posts like you are describing. Honestly, it's very very unlikely you'll find a way to dabble with two professional jobs in this way, sorry. Which is why many many many people, including myself, would not suggest getting both degrees -- it's a waste of time and money. Figure out which one you want to work in and go for it. Just my two cents. And this is coming from someone who has both degrees, and has now worked in each field.
 
It will not. Realistically, you are going to have to pick one, making the other a total waste. Pretty much everyone with both degrees finds they have to pick one -- there are a negligible number of jobs that allow you to do both (being a health policy government exployee or a medical ethics prof are the only two I know of that you can actually use both degrees in any real sense), and it's not realistic to expect to hold two different posts like you are describing. Honestly, it's very very unlikely you'll find a way to dabble with two professional jobs in this way, sorry. Which is why many many many people, including myself, would not suggest getting both degrees -- it's a waste of time and money. Figure out which one you want to work in and go for it. Just my two cents. And this is coming from someone who has both degrees, and has now worked in each field.

What if I were in academic medicine? Supposedly those positions are created with x% of clinical duties, y% of research time, and z% of teaching responsibilities. Why couldn't my research be in the area of health law and not basic or clinical science? I understand this wouldn't be a wise investment for some medical schools, that lack a law school in the same university, where the med school would have to foot the bill for someone who isn't contributing to their mission. But by the same token, would it not be considered even in universities like Pitt, Duke, and Yale that have multidisciplinary centers/institutes of health policy or medical ethics? Thanks for your help, I appreciate the insight.
 
The only combined degrees of any value are MD/PhD and MD/MPH, and only if you have a specific job target in mind, not just for the sake of being an over achiever.

The MD/MBA could help a doctor manage his/her practice.
 
The MD/MBA could help a doctor manage his/her practice.

Seems like this really isn't necessary. Managing a practice doesn't require an MBA - you can just take a couple management classes or even get a 1-year MM, but an MBA seems to be overkill. Where it could be useful though is in any entrepreneurial medicine sense beyond simply private practice. That and hospital administration (though MPH or MHA work as well).
 
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ok law2doc i guess you're right. but i do know a family friend with md/jd and he always rants on the fact that his qualifications are most suitable for his medmal attorney career.

btw, if you dont mind me asking, looking back as someone who went through the grind of getting the md/jd degrees, do you have any regrets or feel that it was well worth it.

i myself am think of going for a mba combined degree
 
As a previous poster said, an MBA is probably overkill. However, it could be useful if one is inclined to pursue a second degree in medical school. No, an MBA does not guarantee a well-run business, but a knowledge of accounting, taxes, employee relations/human resources, economics, marketing, etc., can't hurt.

As someone who has owned and managed my own law practice, I believe previous business coursework or experience would have helped immensely.
 
I am planning on doing my school's MD/MPH program. It is a 5 year degree where I will complete the MPH in one year. They provide scholarship money for it. As far as I am concerned, looking at the big picture, one year isn't bad at all for a degree that seems to be relevant for the whole spectrum of issues I am interested in. The topics I am interested in are diabetes and CV disease (endocrine and cardio), both of which are directly relevant to preventative medicine, a topic I feel will be very important in long run. I feel that my school only touches upon certain "big-picture" issues in a 2 week epidemiology course. This course made me realize that this degree may be helpful in the long run. Even my more distant specialty interests (e.g. pathology) have relevance in this degree. During this "one year off" I could use it to do research or something else to pursue certain specialties of interest. As icing on the cake, I get a full summer break after Step 1 since it starts in August. :)

Is the MPH crucial for everyone? Nope. None of these combined degrees are absolutely necessary to be a good physician at all. But I feel it will help me open doors to areas that I may be interested in.

I have also gotten some fantastic feedback from multiple people about the MPH and how it is worthwhile.

Originally I was interested in the MD/MBA, but the MPH also has classes on health policy/management. Plus at my school the location of the degree in my 5-year curriculum is more flexible than the MBA, and I don't have to take the GRE or the GMAT since the MPH takes the MCAT as a substitution. I feel that this is the better degree for me.
 
Here is some real world advice for you. Only get one degree. In the court of law, you can\'t be the expert in another field while also being an expert in another field. Thus, you can not be an expert in two fields. You can go ahead and spend time learning both professions, but if you do not practice both professions, you wasted your time. There is no gurantee that the jobs you would like right now will be around in the future. As you may not realize, professionals take high level positions and often do not want to leave those positions just because of the pay. So, you can get that MD and JD degree, but you may not have the type of job you are looking for around to apply to when you are all done with your school and training. It could be like that for a decade or longer once you are all done with school and training. You may not understand how the work force or economy works at a young age. So take what Law2Doc is saying and what I am saying and learn from us.

At my tender young age, I may not understand some things, but I do understand arguments, and yours makes little to no sense.

First you state that one person cannot be an expert in more than one field. I find this claim to be absolutely preposterous. At a white house dinner for 49 Nobel laureates President Kennedy observed, "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent and of human knowledge that has ever been gathered together at the White House -- with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone." Not to compare myself with the multi-talented Jefferson, but psychological studies and human history have shown time and again that there is no quantifiable limit to human intelligence. No one is born with a quota, that once reached with information no longer allows them to attain more. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but it is most definitely possible.

Then you go on to imply that there are in fact jobs which I desire, which in fact require expertise in two fields, contradicting your first point.

As for the "professionals stay in their jobs" comment, um duh! I am well aware that there is not a revolving door of opportunity, constantly escorting people in and out. This would have made much more of an impact if you had further developed it with some data, that showed something like 95% of current professionals are aged 25 to 35. If that were the case, then yes my task would be much more difficult, but I highly doubt this reflects reality at all.

You end by concluding, that I may have to wait a long time for my job, again implying that it will exist and I will at some point have the opportunity. Typically, conclusions don't contradict their introductions. But that is just in my real world, I'm not sure about yours.

I know there is no guarantee that I will get a job which perfectly suits my education and interests. But, I also know that there is no guarantee that I will not get that job. For me, the extra two years and money are well worth it to keep that option open. I know that I am most likely going to have to try and forge my own path, and that is fine with me. I'm sorry if this post offends, but I felt the quoted post was very condescending and deserved a response.
 
Your post is defensive. That White House thing you posted did not support a person can be an expert in more than on field at the same time. Give me a case where there is one single person that does two professions at the same that time are experts in both fields. I can tell you are young and lack perspective of how the real world actually works. I simply said, you can have goals of having a specific job, but that job may never open for you to apply for it. In the case of having a job asking for degrees in MD and JD, there are only a select few. Other people ahead of you in their careers could already have taken those jobs and stay in them for decades. So you may end up having to do a job you did not intend to do. That is a fact of life. d

Yes, it was defensive, because I was taking a defensive stance. And the quote does only illustrate my point if you already know that Jefferson excelled at numerous areas of study as a horticulturist, statesman, architect, archaeologist, paleontologist, and inventor quick from his wikipedia page. The quote stated that he, a single man, had more knowledge than 49 nobel winners, all assumed to be experts in their fields, 200 years later. I think this clearly illustrates proof of concept as does the fact that there is an word to describe people with multiple expertise, polymath. Anyway, if you want a more applicable/modern case look at this quote from an MD/JD,

"Now I practice medicine 2 days per week and law 3 days per week. Every day allows me to exercise different parts of my brain and satisfy different parts of my soul. Medicine is emotionally gratifying, while law encourages detailed thought and creativity. If one values both attributes, the combination is ideal. And each makes me better at the other."
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And you didn't simply say anything, you jumped all over the place. At any rate, I think I already acknowledged and addressed your concerns in my previous post. If you don't mind me asking, where does your real world experience stem from? If you are genuinely trying to add insight here, I appreciate it.
 
I think you may not be getting the point that Law2Doc and I are getting at. If you are a lawyer, even if it was mal practice, you will still have to use an expert doctor. Having an MD behind your name does not make you an expert. All it does is provide you general knowledge. To become an expert, you need to complete a residency. Therefore, if you complete a residency and do mal practice two days a week to go along with practicing as a doctor, you still have to use a doctor that is in your same specialty as you would not be the expert witness. The same thing applies when you reverse the professions. Health policy, working for the government, is basically the only job that uses both at the same time (not part-time this and part-time that). A person should never go to medical school just because they want to work as a health policy maker and nothing else. You may end up having to go into something you never thought of because the stuff that determines your career as a doctor is outside of your hands for the most case.

Yeah, I am understanding what you are saying, but I think you don't completely understand my intentions/ultimate goal. I want to follow the same career path as an MD/PhD, except instead of science research I want to do research in health law/policy. I know that an MD is not required to do work in that area, but I think the perspective of a practicing physician, one who works in the system bound by the law and policies is one that is sorely missed. In essence I will be using MD in clinical practice and I will be using the JD in academics. Though I doubt the JD will impact my medical clinical practice at all, I think my work as a physician will definitely impact my JD work. It is the feasibility of this plan that I was "discussing" (if you can call two posts a discussion) with law2doc. He seems to think it has little chance of actually happening and I was just questioning him further, since he obviously has a ton more experience in both professions, than I.

Edit: That quote was to demonstrate the possibility of being in expert in two unrelated fields, not show what I intended to do. I can see how it might have confused you or anyone else reading along.
 
Yeah, but I heard combined degrees take at least 5 years to complete. Shame.

Depends where you go. I know Duke has ton of 4 year programs (MPH, MBA, MPP) and I know the MPH is possible in 4 at Columbia also. You might want to look into individual schools, if you are seriously interested.
 
I'm currently enrolled in my school's MD/MBA program.

I just started my fourth year and am taking the rest of the year off for business school, then coming back to finish the rest of 4th year. My school is also offering a massive financial incentive towards this degree program, and it will be extremely cheap. Plus I get an easy school year to do research/shadow around to finally make up my mind about what specialty to go into.

It also makes me feel more secure about impending socialism in medicine bearing down on us.
 
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