Can someone link me to the DO school list by stats?

[Mad Jack]

Are you talking about LECOM-B or LECOM in general? LECOM-B, I have no idea. LECOM-E/SH, yeah that's not accurate. We don't have the best rotations out there, but we have plenty of good options available for most students if they want it (and some amazing ones).

Also, I have yet to hear from students that they were terrible on auditions because of how poorly their 3rd year went. I see 4th years doing really well actually, but to be honest how you do really depends a lot on you. I've seen amazing 3rd years that work and try to be at the level of interns, and I see others that basically try and skate by with the least possible amount of effort. If you'r significantly struggling in auditions, its probably more a representation of you and your planning than anything else.

You know how you can avoid looking bad at academic centers in 4th yr? By going to them or strong teaching hospitals for electives in 3rd year. You can do even better by trying to go to the best sites your school has to offer, which might be tough, but is certainly possible for most.



Haha, 2 things:
(1) Since when is 27-28 "nowhere near 29"? Did I enter some alternate universe where 1 pt on the MCAT didn't represent at best a handful of questions? and
(2) I think the 27-28 number is the average for LECOM-E/SH. I have no idea what LECOM-B is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was slightly higher than LECOM-E/SH. Most people would rather be on the beach instead of buried under the snow during med school.



Accepted is almost always higher than matriculant, because among even the mid-tier US MD schools, they are accepting a number of people that ultimately go to a different school.

To show an example of how this works, someone with a really high MCAT would get accepted at a bunch of schools. This would inflate the accepted MCAT averages of all of the schools they got into, but realistically they can only go to one school, as a result all the other school's matriculant averages would bump down. If all schools were equal, this wouldn't be a problem, because you'd assume the applicants would be a representative sample of all accepted medical students, but in reality all schools are not equal and competitive applicants tend to prefer certain schools over others.

Third year electives? Didn't realize that was a thing. We've got set hospitals for third year that we do all of our core rotations at. Most MD schools are the same way.

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[Bones 2020]

I'm going to try to correct this as best as possible. The other list is a bit outdated.

Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8 http://admissions.tu.edu/com/demographics.html
CCOM: 3.64/3.57/29.4 (2015) 65.8 https://www.midwestern.edu/programs_and_admission/il_osteopathic_medicine.html
RVU: 3.63/?/28.5 (2015) 64.8 http://www.rvu.edu/academics/college-of-osteo-medicine-rvucom/
DMU: 3.65/3.61/28.8 (2015) 65.3 https://www.dmu.edu/do/class-profile/
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.7 https://www.unthsc.edu/texas-colleg...utreach/tcom-admissions-statistics-2013-2014/
MSU: 3.64/3.6/29 (2015) 65.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4 http://www.nyit.edu/medicine/admissions/frequently_asked_questions/
COMP: 3.58/3.56/28 63.8 http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic/competitive-10/
AZCOM: 3.51/3.44/30 65.1 https://www.midwestern.edu/programs_and_admission/az_osteopathic_medicine.html
UNECOM: 3.5/27 62.0 http://www.une.edu/com/admissions/information
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/29 64.4 http://www.rowan.edu/som/education/admissions/faq.html
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28 Cannot Verify
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28 Cannot Verify
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013) Cannot Verify
KCUMB: 3.67/3.62/27.8 64.5 http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/students-and-alumni/
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015) Cannot Verify 2015. http://www.marian.edu/osteopathic-medical-school/admissions/admission-faqs
OU-HCOM: 3.65/3.58/27.37 63.9 http://www.oucom.ohiou.edu/OUHCOM/facts.htm
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015) 61.9 http://www.pnwu.edu/admissions/fast-facts/
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
KCOM: 3.46/3.34/27 Cannot Verify
PCOM: 3.5/3.4/27.47 (2015) 62.5
LECOM-E/SH: 3.5/3.4/27 http://lecom.edu/academics/the-college-of-medicine/faq-college-of-medicine/
SOMA: 3.39/3.34/26.04 59.9 http://www.atsu.edu/soma/prospective_students/academic_fastfacts.htm
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
COMP-NW: 3.55/3.5/28 63.5 http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic-nw/competitive-16/
OSU-COM: 3.6/3.6/27 63.0 http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/com/admissions/requirements.php
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013) Cannot Verify
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013) Cannot Verify
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36 61.4 http://www.vcom.edu/admissions/requirements.html
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26 Cannot Verify
WVSOM: 3.4/3.36/25 59.0 https://www.wvsom.edu/Admissions/applicants-home
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6 Cannot Verify
LUCOM: 3.4/24 Cannot Verify
Touro-NY Cannot Verify
BCOM: 3.5/?/25 60.0 http://www.burrellgroupmtpfs.org/BCOMatNMSU-12-3.pdf

I will continue to work on this as time goes on. People can reply to me for any changes.

According to my interview day binder, COMP-NW has class of 2019 stats at 3.60s/3.65c/27.99 MCAT

 

[hallowmann]

Third year electives? Didn't realize that was a thing. We've got set hospitals for third year that we do all of our core rotations at. Most MD schools are the same way.

Some schools (DO and MD) have 1-2 electives for 3rd year, we have 2. We also have core sites that we are assigned to for all of our core rotations, but we also have electives. Some schools replace electives with things like "research rotations" etc. We can do research for our electives also, but its not a required research month.

I actually think on average we have a lot more rotations throughout 3rd and 4th year, which probably makes room for the 3rd yr electives. We have 24 4-week rotations throughout 3rd and 4th year, and we finish 2nd year and 4th year curriculum in May. That leaves room for 8 weeks of vacation (4 each yr) somewhere in there and June is off before Residency starts (I know a lot of people at other schools that are done by March/April).

 

[Mad Jack]

Some schools (DO and MD) have 1-2 electives for 3rd year, we have 2. We also have core sites that we are assigned to for all of our core rotations, but we also have electives. Some schools replace electives with things like "research rotations" etc. We can do research for our electives also, but its not a required research month.

I actually think on average we have a lot more rotations throughout 3rd and 4th year, which probably makes room for the 3rd yr electives. We have 24 4-week rotations throughout 3rd and 4th year, and we finish 2nd year and 4th year curriculum in May. That leaves room for 8 weeks of vacation (4 each yr) somewhere in there and June is off before Residency starts (I know a lot of people at other schools that are done by March/April).

We've got 4 weeks of "electives," but two are actually selectives that must be completed in outpatient primary care, so we really get two weeks of what can be either elective or vacation time. If you pick it as an elective, it comes off of fourth year, giving you more time for interviews or whatever in fourth year, so a lot of people just do part of their fourth year required OMM rotation in third year to get it over with.

 

[hallowmann]

We've got 4 weeks of "electives," but two are actually selectives that must be completed in outpatient primary care, so we really get two weeks of what can be either elective or vacation time. If you pick it as an elective, it comes off of fourth year, giving you more time for interviews or whatever in fourth year, so a lot of people just do part of their fourth year required OMM rotation in third year to get it over with.

Yeah that doesn't sound bad at all. We can't do stuff like that. We have to finish every 3rd yr rotation (9 cores, 2 electives and 1 selective), pass every shelf, etc. to be considered 4th years before we can do anything related to our 4th yr rotations and take Level 2.

Everyone gets a 4 wk period at the beginning of 4th year that can be used to either (1) study and take Step/Level 2 on your own, (2) take a course at the main campus for Level 2 CE & PE, or (3) do an elective 4 wk rotation (including auditions or research). In addition our 4th yr is set up with 3 electives in 4th yr, 4 selectives (medical, surgical, primary care, rural/underserved) which must be done at one of LECOM's core affiliates, 2 ambulatory rotations, and 2 EM rotations.

 

[Mad Jack]

Yeah that doesn't sound bad at all. We can't do stuff like that. We have to finish every 3rd yr rotation (9 cores, 2 electives and 1 selective), pass every shelf, etc. to be considered 4th years before we can do anything related to our 4th yr rotations and take Level 2.

Everyone gets a 4 wk period at the beginning of 4th year that can be used to either (1) study and take Step/Level 2 on your own, (2) take a course at the main campus for Level 2 CE & PE, or (3) do an elective 4 wk rotation (including auditions or research). In addition our 4th yr is set up with 3 electives in 4th yr, 4 selectives (medical, surgical, primary care, rural/underserved) which must be done at one of LECOM's core affiliates, 2 ambulatory rotations, and 2 EM rotations.

We've got 46-48 required weeks in third year with zero electives/selectives (you get to select where you do your community health rotation, that's it) and a 2 week elective that can be either OMM or nothing, basically. I really don't see how that is good in any way compared to your system lol. No elective place will take you for the only two non-community health weeks we've got available, so that ends up being basically OMM or vacation for a reason.

 

[hallowmann]

We've got 46-48 required weeks in third year with zero electives/selectives (you get to select where you do your community health rotation, that's it) and a 2 week elective that can be either OMM or nothing, basically. I really don't see how that is good in any way compared to your system lol. No elective place will take you for the only two non-community health weeks we've got available, so that ends up being basically OMM or vacation for a reason.

You have a guaranteed 4 elective rotations and 4 wk vacation in audition/interview season of 4th yr, we only have a guaranteed 2 electives in that time, with a max of 10 days off for interviews with a requirement of no more than 5 days off per rotation. You also get winter break. You also only do 75 wks of required rotations whereas we do 92. You also get to save an additional 2 wks of 4th yr by taking it in 3rd yr.

Personally I think your setup is better. While I agree it would be nice for you to have some real electives in 3rd yr, I'm jealous of your 4th yr schedule. I guess there are pros and cons with everything.

 

[Mad Jack]

You have a guaranteed 4 elective rotations and 4 wk vacation in audition/interview season of 4th yr, we only have a guaranteed 2 electives in that time, with a max of 10 days off for interviews with a requirement of no more than 5 days off per rotation. You also get winter break. You also only do 75 wks of required rotations whereas we do 92. You also get to save an additional 2 wks of 4th yr by taking it in 3rd yr.

Personally I think your setup is better. While I agree it would be nice for you to have some real electives in 3rd yr, I'm jealous of your 4th yr schedule. I guess there are pros and cons with everything.

Our fourth year schedule isn't as good as it looks- we've got a 4 week rural med requirement and a 4 week OMM requirement, both of which often end up basically being required to be done during interview season. But other than that, 4th year looks pretty great, and overall, I can't wait to hit 3rd year (because I'll be closer to 4th year).

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Our fourth year schedule isn't as good as it looks- we've got a 4 week rural med requirement and a 4 week OMM requirement, both of which often end up basically being required to be done during interview season. But other than that, 4th year looks pretty great, and overall, I can't wait to hit 3rd year (because I'll be closer to 4th year).

I've often been told to take 3rd/4th year schedules into account when considering which medical school to go to but I have no idea how to interpret everything and no idea what to look for. What would you say are some important things to consider?

 

[mathnerd88]

According to my interview day binder, COMP-NW has class of 2019 stats at 3.60s/3.65c/27.99 MCAT

Thank you! I will update.

 

[ortnakas]

2. Only if it matters when you want to be near a family support system. Cost is also important. Also, curriculum matters too. Everything else, then no. You're going to be in medical school. You're not going to have much time to relax on the beach. Your reason for location is because it is sunny and has beaches. It is MUCH more than that. If I wouldn't survive in a PBL curriculum, no matter how much sunshine and puppies a location is, I won't go. I doubt most students with a choice would either. I would find that the weather of a location is SECONDARY to everything else that's important.

One would think that's true, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I think weather's secondary (obviously, it's freezing outside where I am right now) but to a lot of people, access to a major city, access to outdoor activities, etc., is huge. KCOM isn't popular on SDN because Kirksville's a tough sell, not because of any problems with their cost or curriculum.

 

[mathnerd88]

One would think that's true, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I think weather's secondary (obviously, it's freezing outside where I am right now) but to a lot of people, access to a major city, access to outdoor activities, etc., is huge. KCOM isn't popular on SDN because Kirksville's a tough sell, not because of any problems with their cost or curriculum.

I somewhat agree. I only say this because usually, the top tier or state DO schools are the ones near a major city (makes sense- more hospitals=more rotations, etc.) LECOM-E is located in a large town/city, definitely much bigger than Bradenton.

 

[hallowmann]

I somewhat agree. I only say this because usually, the top tier or state DO schools are the ones near a major city (makes sense- more hospitals=more rotations, etc.) LECOM-E is located in a large town/city, definitely much bigger than Bradenton.

Bradenton is pretty close to Tampa though.

I think it takes a certain personality to like Erie. For me its a tough sell because I'm not a fan of snow, despite growing up with it. Other than that it has a lot of rustbelt/great lake characteristics that make people who like that sort of environment comfortable. It's not for everyone though, especially if you don't like lake effect snow or are from big cities.

 

[docisthegoal]

We've got 46-48 required weeks in third year with zero electives/selectives (you get to select where you do your community health rotation, that's it) and a 2 week elective that can be either OMM or nothing, basically. I really don't see how that is good in any way compared to your system lol. No elective place will take you for the only two non-community health weeks we've got available, so that ends up being basically OMM or vacation for a reason.

Maybe I skipped over it while reading, but where do you go with this rotation set up? Seems pretty good.

 

[Mad Jack]

Maybe I skipped over it while reading, but where do you go with this rotation set up? Seems pretty good.

There's a few places: http://www.une.edu/com/predoc/clerkships/clinical-campuses

 

[apr27]

Does anyone have a list of step 1/comlex scores for each school as well? Also, I was wondering if any TCOM/RVU students had stats on pre and post Dubin scores as well?

 

[Lamegane]

Kindly drawn up by user3


2014 Matriculants:

Mean ‒ sGPA: 3.39cGPA 3.51

Mean All Including Graduate 3.46 3.53

MCAT Scores

Mean VR 8.90 Bio 9.51 PS 8.80 TOTAL 27.21

Median VR 9.00 Bio 10.00 PS 9.00 TOTAL 27.00


http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/like-to-add-more-do-schools-of-lower-end-with-mcat-27-any-advice.1163663/#post-16967413


Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8
CCOM: 3.64/3.57/29.4 (2015) 65.5
RVU: 3.63/3.60/28.54 (2015) 64.8
DMU: 3.63/3.57/28.3 64.6
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.3
MSU: 3.64/28 (2015) 64.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4
COMP: 3.58/3.56/28 63.8
AZCOM: 3.48/3.44/29 63.8
UNECOM: 3.55/28 63.5
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/28
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013)
KCUMB: 3.63/3.6/27.6
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015)
OU-HCOM: 3.64/3.58/27.37
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015)
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27
KCOM: 3.59/3.51/27
PCOM: 3.5/3.5/27 (?)
LECOM-E/SH: 3.48/3.35/27 (2013)
SOMA: 3.45/3.34/27
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 (?)
COMP-NW: 3.63/3.58/26.28
OSU-COM: 3.66/26
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013)
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013)
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26
WVSOM: 3.4/3.4/25 (2013)
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6
LUCOM: 3.4/24

Touro-NY: I believe similar to the very top of the list.
Burrell COM: ~3.4/25, I think

Any 2016 stats for these schools? which ones do not require a LOR from a physician?

 

[Lamegane]

I'm going to try to correct this as best as possible. The other list is a bit outdated.

Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8 Demographics - Touro University, California
CCOM: 3.64/3.57/29.4 (2015) 65.8 Osteopathic Medicine in Downers Grove | Midwestern University
RVU: 3.63/?/28.5 (2015) 64.8 Rocky Vista University – Achieving New Heights in Medical Education
DMU: 3.65/3.61/28.8 (2015) 65.3 Class profile - Des Moines University
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.7 https://www.unthsc.edu/texas-colleg...utreach/tcom-admissions-statistics-2013-2014/
MSU: 3.64/3.6/29 (2015) 65.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4 404 | College of Osteopathic Medicine | NYIT
COMP: 3.65/3.60/27.99 64.5 Competitive Candidate - Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO)
AZCOM: 3.51/3.44/30 65.1 College of Osteopathic Medicine in Glendale, AZ | Midwestern University
UNECOM: 3.5/27 62.0 Frequently Asked Questions | COM Admissions | University of New England in Maine, Tangier and Online
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/29 64.4 Admissions FAQ RowanSOM
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28 Cannot Verify
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28 Cannot Verify
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013) Cannot Verify
KCUMB: 3.67/3.62/27.8 64.5 Student Profile
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015) Cannot Verify 2015. Admission FAQs
OU-HCOM: 3.65/3.58/27.37 63.9 Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015) 61.9 Fast Facts :: Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
KCOM: 3.46/3.34/27 Cannot Verify
PCOM: 3.5/3.4/27.47 (2015) 62.5
LECOM-E/SH: 3.5/3.4/27 FAQ College of Medicine - LECOM Education System
SOMA: 3.39/3.34/26.04 59.9 http://www.atsu.edu/soma/prospective_students/academic_fastfacts.htm
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
COMP-NW: 3.55/3.5/28 63.5 http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic-nw/competitive-16/
OSU-COM: 3.6/3.6/27 63.0 http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/com/admissions/requirements.php
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013) Cannot Verify
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013) Cannot Verify
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36 61.4 http://www.vcom.edu/admissions/requirements.html
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26 Cannot Verify
WVSOM: 3.4/3.36/25 59.0 https://www.wvsom.edu/Admissions/applicants-home
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6 Cannot Verify
LUCOM: 3.4/24 Cannot Verify
Touro-NY Cannot Verify
BCOM: 3.5/?/25 60.0 http://www.burrellgroupmtpfs.org/BCOMatNMSU-12-3.pdf

I will continue to work on this as time goes on. People can reply to me for any changes.

Any 2016 stats for these schools? which ones do not require a LOR from a physician?

 

[Goro]

Any 2016 stats for these schools? which ones do not require a LOR from a physician?

Do a search in pre-osteo. There was a post about this just the other day.