Can someone link me to the DO school list by stats?

[femmegoblue]

@Goro

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[Goro]

Kindly drawn up by user3


2014 Matriculants:

Mean ‒ sGPA: 3.39cGPA 3.51

Mean All Including Graduate 3.46 3.53

MCAT Scores

Mean VR 8.90 Bio 9.51 PS 8.80 TOTAL 27.21

Median VR 9.00 Bio 10.00 PS 9.00 TOTAL 27.00


http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/like-to-add-more-do-schools-of-lower-end-with-mcat-27-any-advice.1163663/#post-16967413


Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8
CCOM: 3.64/3.57/29.4 (2015) 65.5
RVU: 3.63/3.60/28.54 (2015) 64.8
DMU: 3.63/3.57/28.3 64.6
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.3
MSU: 3.64/28 (2015) 64.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4
COMP: 3.58/3.56/28 63.8
AZCOM: 3.48/3.44/29 63.8
UNECOM: 3.55/28 63.5
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/28
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013)
KCUMB: 3.63/3.6/27.6
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015)
OU-HCOM: 3.64/3.58/27.37
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015)
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27
KCOM: 3.59/3.51/27
PCOM: 3.5/3.5/27 (?)
LECOM-E/SH: 3.48/3.35/27 (2013)
SOMA: 3.45/3.34/27
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 (?)
COMP-NW: 3.63/3.58/26.28
OSU-COM: 3.66/26
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013)
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013)
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26
WVSOM: 3.4/3.4/25 (2013)
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6
LUCOM: 3.4/24

Touro-NY: I believe similar to the very top of the list.
Burrell COM: ~3.4/25, I think

 

[OrdinaryDO]

Kindly drawn up by user3


2014 Matriculants:

Mean ‒ sGPA: 3.39cGPA 3.51

Mean All Including Graduate 3.46 3.53

MCAT Scores

Mean VR 8.90 Bio 9.51 PS 8.80 TOTAL 27.21

Median VR 9.00 Bio 10.00 PS 9.00 TOTAL 27.00


http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/like-to-add-more-do-schools-of-lower-end-with-mcat-27-any-advice.1163663/#post-16967413


Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8
CCOM: 3.64/3.57/29.4 (2015) 65.5
RVU: 3.63/3.60/28.54 (2015) 64.8
DMU: 3.63/3.57/28.3 64.6
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.3
MSU: 3.64/28 (2015) 64.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4
COMP: 3.58/3.56/28 63.8
AZCOM: 3.48/3.44/29 63.8
UNECOM: 3.55/28 63.5
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/28
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013)
KCUMB: 3.63/3.6/27.6
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015)
OU-HCOM: 3.64/3.58/27.37
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015)
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27
KCOM: 3.59/3.51/27
PCOM: 3.5/3.5/27 (?)
LECOM-E/SH: 3.48/3.35/27 (2013)
SOMA: 3.45/3.34/27
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 (?)
COMP-NW: 3.63/3.58/26.28
OSU-COM: 3.66/26
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013)
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013)
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26
WVSOM: 3.4/3.4/25 (2013)
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6
LUCOM: 3.4/24

Touro-NY: I believe similar to the very top of the list.
Burrell COM: ~3.4/25, I think

I believe BCOM is 3.5/26 as of now, but it doesn't matter that much really. Just wanted to add my little bit of info! Thanks, Goro!

 

[Goro]

If true, that's really good for a brand new school, even a for-profit one.

I believe BCOM is 3.5/26 as of now, but it doesn't matter that much really. Just wanted to add my little bit of info! Thanks, Goro!

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

Kindly drawn up by user3


2014 Matriculants:

Mean ‒ sGPA: 3.39cGPA 3.51

Mean All Including Graduate 3.46 3.53

MCAT Scores

Mean VR 8.90 Bio 9.51 PS 8.80 TOTAL 27.21

Median VR 9.00 Bio 10.00 PS 9.00 TOTAL 27.00


http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/like-to-add-more-do-schools-of-lower-end-with-mcat-27-any-advice.1163663/#post-16967413


Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8
CCOM: 3.64/3.57/29.4 (2015) 65.5
RVU: 3.63/3.60/28.54 (2015) 64.8
DMU: 3.63/3.57/28.3 64.6
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.3
MSU: 3.64/28 (2015) 64.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4
COMP: 3.58/3.56/28 63.8
AZCOM: 3.48/3.44/29 63.8
UNECOM: 3.55/28 63.5
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/28
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013)
KCUMB: 3.63/3.6/27.6
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015)
OU-HCOM: 3.64/3.58/27.37
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015)
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27
KCOM: 3.59/3.51/27
PCOM: 3.5/3.5/27 (?)
LECOM-E/SH: 3.48/3.35/27 (2013)
SOMA: 3.45/3.34/27
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 (?)
COMP-NW: 3.63/3.58/26.28
OSU-COM: 3.66/26
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013)
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013)
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26
WVSOM: 3.4/3.4/25 (2013)
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6
LUCOM: 3.4/24

Touro-NY: I believe similar to the very top of the list.
Burrell COM: ~3.4/25, I think

This list is fairly accurate but some schools aren't as accurate as others. Slightly off. Data is a bit oldd.

KCUMb says there average MCAT is 27.8 not .6 also cum GPA is 3.67 and sgpa is 3.62

DMU is a 28.8 not 28.3

PCOM hasn't released gpa/MCAT score don't know where the 3.5/ 27 is from. Class of 2017 was 3.4/28 but that's old data.

OSU also didn't release data but they say a competitive application has a 27 so 26 sounds low.

Soma says the average MCAT is a 26.04

Azcom average MCAT is a 30

 

[OrdinaryDO]

This list is fairly accurate but some schools aren't as accurate as others. Slightly off. Data is a bit oldd.

KCUMb says there average MCAT is 27.8 not .6 also cum GPA is 3.67 and sgpa is 3.62

DMU is a 28.8 not 28.3

PCOM hasn't released gpa/MCAT score don't know where the 3.5/ 27 is from. Class of 2017 was 3.4/28 but that's old data.

OSU also didn't release data but they say a competitive application has a 27 so 26 sounds low.

Soma says the average MCAT is a 26.04

Azcom average MCAT is a 30

I do know OSU-CHS has an average MCAT of 26 FWIW.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

I do know OSU-CHS has an average MCAT of 26 FWIW.

How do you know that?

 

[68PGunner]

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[68PGunner]

I believe BCOM is 3.5/26 as of now, but it doesn't matter that much really. Just wanted to add my little bit of info! Thanks, Goro!

How do you know that when you don't even have a matriculated class yet?

 

[crazyboi1993]

I remember on my LECOM-B, the interviewer told me that their average matriculation MCAT has gone up, to almost 29, and cgpa around 3.55, and science gpa 3.50

 

[68PGunner]

I remember on my LECOM-B, the interviewer told me that their average matriculation MCAT has gone up, to almost 29, and cgpa around 3.55, and science gpa 3.50

And that's a lie.

 

[crazyboi1993]

And that's a lie.

I asked her personally and thats the response I got. Have no reason to lie. Thats what I was told. My MCAT is way lower than this.

 

[68PGunner]

I asked her personally and thats the response I got. Have no reason to lie. Thats what I was told. My MCAT is way lower than this.

I'm not accusing you of lying, but rather you were intentionally misinformed. LECOM as a DO is at the bottom of the totem pole bc of their garbage 3rd yr clinical rotations. 10-15K cheaper isn't worth it when you are a bad physician who will audition terribly during fourth yr.

 

[crazyboi1993]

I'm not accusing you of lying, but rather you were intentionally misinformed. LECOM as a DO is at the bottom of the totem pole bc of their garbage 3rd yr clinical rotations. 10-15K cheaper isn't worth it when you are a bad physician who will audition terribly during fourth yr.

I dont think it is the bottom of the totem pole, it has one of the highest board scores in the nation, and has an impressive match rate and match list, and its much cheaper than most schools. You have to work hard in life, and some people just expect everything to be handed to them on a silver plater, if you want a good rotation, than you fight for one. I personally think LECOM is not a school for everyone, it requires dedication, but I am happy to be going there. I got multiple acceptances to great schools, and chose this school, simply because of location, cost, and curriculm. But I respect your opinion, I might have been mis-informed, but its unfair to call a school garbabe, and say they produce bad physicians, when infact, it has a good reputation among the medical community, and produces great physicians

 

[crazyboi1993]

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[OrdinaryDO]

How do you know that when you don't even have a matriculated class yet?

Well, since we have 162 applicants accepted and deposits put down I highly doubt there will be a drastic change in the statistics, especially since it is almost February. These stats are as is right now.

 

[68PGunner]

I dont think it is the bottom of the totem pole, it has one of the highest board scores in the nation, and has an impressive match rate and match list, and its much cheaper than most schools. You have to work hard in life, and some people just expect everything to be handed to them on a silver plater, if you want a good rotation, than you fight for one. I personally think LECOM is not a school for everyone, it requires dedication, but I am happy to be going there. I got multiple acceptances to great schools, and chose this school, simply because of location, cost, and curriculm. But I respect your opinion, I might have been mis-informed, but its unfair to call a school garbabe, and say they produce bad physicians, when infact, it has a good reputation among the medical community, and produces great physicians

LECOM great match speaks more about the perseverance of the students rather than the school itself. Living in a suitcase during 3rd isn't exactly a good way to spend time.

 

[mathnerd88]

Well, since we have 162 applicants accepted and deposits put down I highly doubt there will be a drastic change in the statistics, especially since it is almost February. These stats are as is right now.

I thought it was 3.5/25 as per the file released by BCOM.

http://www.burrellgroupmtpfs.org/BCOMatNMSU-12-3.pdf

"Demand for admission to BCOM has exceeded expectations. To date, BCOM has been designated by nearly 3700 applicants for admission to the inaugural class entering in August, 2016. Admission to BCOM is highly selective. Of the 162 students currently offered admission for its 162 spaces, the average MCAT is approximately 25 (old scale) and the average GPA is 3.5. Accepted students’ MCAT and GPA have ranged as high as 36 and 3.97, respectively. Currently, BCOM has a waiting list of over 250 applicants, of whom 31 highly qualified individuals have been offered deferred acceptance to the class entering in 2017."

Just clearing some things up here @Goro and @OrdinaryDO

 

[mathnerd88]

Kindly drawn up by user3


2014 Matriculants:

Mean ‒ sGPA: 3.39cGPA 3.51

Mean All Including Graduate 3.46 3.53

MCAT Scores

Mean VR 8.90 Bio 9.51 PS 8.80 TOTAL 27.21

Median VR 9.00 Bio 10.00 PS 9.00 TOTAL 27.00


http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/like-to-add-more-do-schools-of-lower-end-with-mcat-27-any-advice.1163663/#post-16967413


Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8
CCOM: 3.64/3.57/29.4 (2015) 65.5
RVU: 3.63/3.60/28.54 (2015) 64.8
DMU: 3.63/3.57/28.3 64.6
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.3
MSU: 3.64/28 (2015) 64.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4
COMP: 3.58/3.56/28 63.8
AZCOM: 3.48/3.44/29 63.8
UNECOM: 3.55/28 63.5
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/28
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013)
KCUMB: 3.63/3.6/27.6
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015)
OU-HCOM: 3.64/3.58/27.37
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015)
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27
KCOM: 3.59/3.51/27
PCOM: 3.5/3.4/27.47 62.5 (2015)
LECOM-E/SH: 3.5/3.4/27
SOMA: 3.45/3.34/27
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 (?)
COMP-NW: 3.63/3.58/26.28
OSU-COM: 3.66/26
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013)
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013)
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26
WVSOM: 3.4/3.4/25 (2013)
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6
LUCOM: 3.4/24

Touro-NY: I believe similar to the very top of the list.
Burrell COM: ~3.4/25, I think

I'm going to try to correct this as best as possible. The other list is a bit outdated.

Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8 http://admissions.tu.edu/com/demographics.html
CCOM: 3.64/3.57/29.4 (2015) 65.8 https://www.midwestern.edu/programs_and_admission/il_osteopathic_medicine.html
RVU: 3.63/?/28.5 (2015) 64.8 http://www.rvu.edu/academics/college-of-osteo-medicine-rvucom/
DMU: 3.65/3.61/28.8 (2015) 65.3 https://www.dmu.edu/do/class-profile/
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.7 https://www.unthsc.edu/texas-colleg...utreach/tcom-admissions-statistics-2013-2014/
MSU: 3.64/3.6/29 (2015) 65.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4 http://www.nyit.edu/medicine/admissions/frequently_asked_questions/
COMP: 3.65/3.60/27.99 64.5 http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic/competitive-10/
AZCOM: 3.51/3.44/30 65.1 https://www.midwestern.edu/programs_and_admission/az_osteopathic_medicine.html
UNECOM: 3.5/27 62.0 http://www.une.edu/com/admissions/information
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/29 64.4 http://www.rowan.edu/som/education/admissions/faq.html
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28 Cannot Verify
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28 Cannot Verify
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013) Cannot Verify
KCUMB: 3.67/3.62/27.8 64.5 http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/students-and-alumni/
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015) Cannot Verify 2015. http://www.marian.edu/osteopathic-medical-school/admissions/admission-faqs
OU-HCOM: 3.65/3.58/27.37 63.9 http://www.oucom.ohiou.edu/OUHCOM/facts.htm
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015) 61.9 http://www.pnwu.edu/admissions/fast-facts/
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
KCOM: 3.46/3.34/27 Cannot Verify
PCOM: 3.5/3.4/27.47 (2015) 62.5
LECOM-E/SH: 3.5/3.4/27 http://lecom.edu/academics/the-college-of-medicine/faq-college-of-medicine/
SOMA: 3.39/3.34/26.04 59.9 http://www.atsu.edu/soma/prospective_students/academic_fastfacts.htm
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
COMP-NW: 3.55/3.5/28 63.5 http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic-nw/competitive-16/
OSU-COM: 3.6/3.6/27 63.0 http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/com/admissions/requirements.php
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013) Cannot Verify
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013) Cannot Verify
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36 61.4 http://www.vcom.edu/admissions/requirements.html
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26 Cannot Verify
WVSOM: 3.4/3.36/25 59.0 https://www.wvsom.edu/Admissions/applicants-home
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6 Cannot Verify
LUCOM: 3.4/24 Cannot Verify
Touro-NY Cannot Verify
BCOM: 3.5/?/25 60.0 http://www.burrellgroupmtpfs.org/BCOMatNMSU-12-3.pdf

I will continue to work on this as time goes on. People can reply to me for any changes.

 

[Stagg737]

I dont think it is the bottom of the totem pole, it has one of the highest board scores in the nation, and has an impressive match rate and match list, and its much cheaper than most schools. You have to work hard in life, and some people just expect everything to be handed to them on a silver plater, if you want a good rotation, than you fight for one. I personally think LECOM is not a school for everyone, it requires dedication, but I am happy to be going there. I got multiple acceptances to great schools, and chose this school, simply because of location, cost, and curriculm. But I respect your opinion, I might have been mis-informed, but its unfair to call a school garbabe, and say they produce bad physicians, when infact, it has a good reputation among the medical community, and produces great physicians

LECOM is literally one of the only schools where you have to "fight" for each rotation spot. This is not typical and having strong rotations should be a part of every med school curriculum. It's not getting handed to them, they're paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for it, and the school owes it to the future patients of their students to provide them with strong training. I'm not saying that the LECOMs are bad schools, but their sketchy rotations are a large reason why I chose to attend a different institution.

 

[mathnerd88]

I remember on my LECOM-B, the interviewer told me that their average matriculation MCAT has gone up, to almost 29, and cgpa around 3.55, and science gpa 3.50

I had the actual stats from first year's class when I interviewed there a couple of months ago (at both LECOM-E and LECOM-B- part of the first group interviewed too) and wrote it down. It was nowhere near 29. From I remember, the average was around 27-28.

 

[RavenclawMed]

I'm going to try to correct this as best as possible. The other list is a bit outdated.

Touro-Ca: 3.50/3.45/30.8 (2015) 65.8 http://admissions.tu.edu/com/demographics.html
CCOM: 3.59/3.53/29.4 (2015) 65.5 https://www.midwestern.edu/programs_and_admission/il_osteopathic_medicine.html
RVU: 3.63/?/28.5 (2015) 64.8 http://www.rvu.edu/academics/college-of-osteo-medicine-rvucom/
DMU: 3.65/3.61/28.8 (2015) 65.3 https://www.dmu.edu/do/class-profile/
UNTHSC-TCOM: 3.67/3.57/28 (2015) 64.7 https://www.unthsc.edu/texas-colleg...utreach/tcom-admissions-statistics-2013-2014/
MSU: 3.64/3.6/29 (2015) 65.4
NYIT: 3.6/28 64.4 http://www.nyit.edu/medicine/admissions/frequently_asked_questions/
COMP: 3.58/3.56/28 63.8 http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic/competitive-10/
AZCOM: 3.51/3.44/30 65.1 https://www.midwestern.edu/programs_and_admission/az_osteopathic_medicine.html
UNECOM: 3.5/27 62.0 http://www.une.edu/com/admissions/information
RowanSOM: 3.54/3.48/29 64.4 http://www.rowan.edu/som/education/admissions/faq.html
LECOM-B: 3.53/3.45/28 Cannot Verify
Touro-NV: 3.5/3.4/28 Cannot Verify
NSU: 3.49/3.40/28 (2013) Cannot Verify
KCUMB: 3.67/3.62/27.8 64.5 http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/students-and-alumni/
Marian: 3.62/3.56/27.53 (2015) Cannot Verify 2015. http://www.marian.edu/osteopathic-medical-school/admissions/admission-faqs
OU-HCOM: 3.65/3.58/27.37 63.9 http://www.oucom.ohiou.edu/OUHCOM/facts.htm
PNWU: 3.46/3.37/27.29 (2015) 61.9 http://www.pnwu.edu/admissions/fast-facts/
CUSOM: 3.6/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
KCOM: 3.46/3.34/27 Cannot Verify
PCOM: 3.5/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
LECOM-E/SH: 3.48/3.35/27 (2013) Cannot Verify
SOMA: 3.39/3.34/26.04 59.9 http://www.atsu.edu/soma/prospective_students/academic_fastfacts.htm
PCOM-Ga: 3.4/3.5/27 Cannot Verify
COMP-NW: 3.55/3.5/28 63.5 http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic-nw/competitive-16/
OSU-COM: 3.6/3.6/27 63.0 http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/com/admissions/requirements.php
WCU: 3.5/3.4/26 (2013) Cannot Verify
ACOM: 3.4/26 (2013) Cannot Verify
VCOM (all): 3.6/3.5/25.36 61.4 http://www.vcom.edu/admissions/requirements.html
LMU: 3.43/3.35/25-26 Cannot Verify
WVSOM: 3.4/3.36/25 59.0 https://www.wvsom.edu/Admissions/applicants-home
KYCOM: 3.50/3.41/24.6 Cannot Verify
LUCOM: 3.4/24 Cannot Verify
Touro-NY Cannot Verify
BCOM: 3.5/?/25 60.0 http://www.burrellgroupmtpfs.org/BCOMatNMSU-12-3.pdf

I will continue to work on this as time goes on. People can reply to me for any changes.

The CCOM average in the quoted post is accurate, I wrote them down from orientation. The website's numbers are from class of 2018.

 

[mathnerd88]

The CCOM average in the quoted post is accurate, I wrote them down from orientation. The website's numbers are from class of 2018.

Will update! Thanks!

 

[crazyboi1993]

I had the actual stats from first year's class when I interviewed there a couple of months ago (at both LECOM-E and LECOM-B- part of the first group interviewed too) and wrote it down. It was nowhere near 29. From I remember, the average was around 27-28.

Oh the girl I spoke to on my interview said it was approaching close to 29, it kind of intimidated me bc I only had a 26.. lol, idk maybe she was exaggerating it.

 

[crazyboi1993]

Oh the girl I spoke to on my interview said it was approaching close to 29, it kind of intimidated me bc I only had a 26.. lol, idk maybe she was exaggerating it.

I do know MCAT score for LECOM-E/SH is 27, but I remember LECOM-B being higher, and was told that on my LECOM SH interview as well, that "LECOM-B is a completely different admissions processs, and higher average MCAT"

 

[sharpstickie]

I should apologize to RVU for accepting me with a 25 MCAT. I've brought down the average

 

[68PGunner]

I do know MCAT score for LECOM-E/SH is 27, but I remember LECOM-B being higher, and was told that on my LECOM SH interview as well, that "LECOM-B is a completely different admissions processs, and higher average MCAT"

*backpedal backpedal backpedal*

 

[crazyboi1993]

*backpedal backpedal backpedal*

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[AnatomyGrey12]

Why is it that someone can't even mention LECOM B's averages eithout a bunch of you guys going off about rotations and how LECOM B is the "bottom of the totem pole". These are valid points in their own right but have absolutely nothing to do with what was said about their averages. And for all those who can't read @crazyboi1993 said APPROACHING 29. The LECOM B averages are 3.55/3.5/high 28 ish. Last time I checked anything past a 28.5 is considered "approaching 29". So cut out the garbage about how "living out of a suitcase" is so horrible when nothing about that was mentioned. You all just like to bash someone else's school without having gone there. Lets bring up your schools and I can guarantee you that everyone on this site could rip them apart just as handily as you do with LECOM B.

 

[crazyboi1993]

Why is it that someone can't even mention LECOM B's averages eithout a bunch of you guys going off about rotations and how LECOM B is the "bottom of the totem pole". These are valid points in their own right but have absolutely nothing to do with what was said about their averages. And for all those who can't read @crazyboi1993 said APPROACHING 29. The LECOM B averages are 3.55/3.5/high 28 ish. Last time I checked anything past a 28.5 is considered "approaching 29". So cut out the garbage about how "living out of a suitcase" is so horrible when nothing about that was mentioned. You all just like to bash someone else's school without having gone there. Lets bring up your schools and I can guarantee you that everyone on this site could rip them apart just as handily as you do with LECOM B.

Lol, thats exactly what I was trying to say, I was just saying what I was told, and then obviously people start bashing the school, I was accepted to a lot of other places, and just really liked LECOM-B, I have heard it million times about rotations, but I have spoken to a lot of current and former students, that positives outweigh the negatives, and no one has to fight for a rotation, you are given one, but if you want a particular location that others want too you have to fight for it. I like the flexibility in rotations, Im from NY, so I like the chance of moving back up North, I like to travel, so maybe I can go somewhere else to do my rotations, and we can do more electives. At the end of the day, I was just saying the average is approaching 29, and u cant deny that LECOM gets results, and an awesome match list.. And I would love to save 10-15k+ a year!

 

[mathnerd88]

Lol, thats exactly what I was trying to say, I was just saying what I was told, and then obviously people start bashing the school, I was accepted to a lot of other places, and just really liked LECOM-B, I have heard it million times about rotations, but I have spoken to a lot of current and former students, that negatives outweighs the positive, and no one has to fight for a rotation, you are given one, but if you want a particular location that others want too you have to fight for it. I like the flexibility in rotations, Im from NY, so I like the chance of moving back up North, I like to travel, so maybe I can go somewhere else to do my rotations, and we can do more electives. At the end of the day, I was just saying the average is approaching 29, and u cant deny that LECOM gets results, and an awesome match list.. And I would love to save 10-15k+ a year!

You mean positives outweigh the negatives lol...but yes, I think LECOM is a good school. I enjoyed LECOM-B.

 

[OrdinaryDO]

I thought it was 3.5/25 as per the file released by BCOM.

http://www.burrellgroupmtpfs.org/BCOMatNMSU-12-3.pdf

"Demand for admission to BCOM has exceeded expectations. To date, BCOM has been designated by nearly 3700 applicants for admission to the inaugural class entering in August, 2016. Admission to BCOM is highly selective. Of the 162 students currently offered admission for its 162 spaces, the average MCAT is approximately 25 (old scale) and the average GPA is 3.5. Accepted students’ MCAT and GPA have ranged as high as 36 and 3.97, respectively. Currently, BCOM has a waiting list of over 250 applicants, of whom 31 highly qualified individuals have been offered deferred acceptance to the class entering in 2017."

Just clearing some things up here @Goro and @OrdinaryDO

The stats I provided were the most recent since then. It's not official, yet, but that was the general direction as of last time we heard anything. No big deal, though.

 

[Dustbowl12]

Lecom is a great school, I know some fantastic physicians that graduated from there. The school is well respected, established and proven. Good job for getting in

 

[petyr_baelish]

The hatred for LECOM on this site baffles me but I think it's just an internet echo chamber or "hive mind" at work. Just to throw out some things I learned at the interview and talking to actual graduates:

LECOM-E has a lot of year long rotation sites but you can also schedule things the way you want if you don't mind moving occasionally.

The problems at LECOM-B aren't happening up north and LECOM-E students get first dibs on rotations.

Many rotations are in places with residency programs that historically take LECOM students (but I dont know how good they are, just that they aren't rural.)

The school is established and one of the most well-known DO schools.

 

[ortnakas]

The hatred for LECOM on this site baffles me but I think it's just an internet echo chamber or "hive mind" at work. Just to throw out some things I learned at the interview and talking to actual graduates:

LECOM-E has a lot of year long rotation sites but you can also schedule things the way you want if you don't mind moving occasionally.

The problems at LECOM-B aren't happening up north and LECOM-E students get first dibs on rotations.

Many rotations are in places with residency programs that historically take LECOM students (but I dont know how good they are, just that they aren't rural.)

The school is established and one of the most well-known DO schools.

I generally agree with your post but just want to clarify: up north we are all assigned a core affiliate site. Most of them are "year-long," with the exception of a new geriatrics rotation in Erie (with housing provided). If your site is missing a rotation, you go to another affiliate for it. You do set up your own FM, and two electives third year, but other than that you're locked into your assigned schedule & sites.

I'm not saying the system is perfect-- plus I'm a second year so I haven't done it yet-- but it's not the hellacious mess SDN makes it out to be.

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Some schools (even well established ones) have a bad habit of reporting accepted stats rather than matriculation stats.

A lot of things will change between now and first day of classes.

 

[Goro]

Even MSAR only gives you stats for acceptees vs matriculants at MD schools. We have to work with what we have.

Some schools (even well established ones) have a bad habit of reporting accepted stats rather than matriculation stats.

A lot of things will change between now and first day of classes.

 

[Ho0v-man]

I should apologize to RVU for accepting me with a 25 MCAT. I've brought down the average

I'm jealous! I had a 504 and 3.77 (ish can't remember.) and got pre-interview rejected . Strong work.


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[Mavs88]

Even MSAR only gives you stats for acceptees vs matriculants at MD schools. We have to work with what we have.

Woah, I never realized for some reason that MSAR is also just "accepted" rather than "matriculated" stats.

 

[femmegoblue]

Woah, I never realized for some reason that MSAR is also just "accepted" rather than "matriculated" stats.

What would be the difference? Are accepted higher because they include people who may have chosen to go to "better" schools?

 

[Mavs88]

What would be the difference? Are accepted higher because they include people who may have chosen to go to "better" schools?

Theoretically, but I guess it depends on the school. I'm still in the running for a MD school that's probably considered "low tier" and since it's in TX, many students accepted in the pre-match (very high stat applicants) will go to other schools....thus I think the accepted stats would be higher than matriculated stats.

 

[hallowmann]

I'm not accusing you of lying, but rather you were intentionally misinformed. LECOM as a DO is at the bottom of the totem pole bc of their garbage 3rd yr clinical rotations. 10-15K cheaper isn't worth it when you are a bad physician who will audition terribly during fourth yr.

Are you talking about LECOM-B or LECOM in general? LECOM-B, I have no idea. LECOM-E/SH, yeah that's not accurate. We don't have the best rotations out there, but we have plenty of good options available for most students if they want it (and some amazing ones).

Also, I have yet to hear from students that they were terrible on auditions because of how poorly their 3rd year went. I see 4th years doing really well actually, but to be honest how you do really depends a lot on you. I've seen amazing 3rd years that work and try to be at the level of interns, and I see others that basically try and skate by with the least possible amount of effort. If you'r significantly struggling in auditions, its probably more a representation of you and your planning than anything else.

You know how you can avoid looking bad at academic centers in 4th yr? By going to them or strong teaching hospitals for electives in 3rd year. You can do even better by trying to go to the best sites your school has to offer, which might be tough, but is certainly possible for most.

I had the actual stats from first year's class when I interviewed there a couple of months ago (at both LECOM-E and LECOM-B- part of the first group interviewed too) and wrote it down. It was nowhere near 29. From I remember, the average was around 27-28.

Haha, 2 things:
(1) Since when is 27-28 "nowhere near 29"? Did I enter some alternate universe where 1 pt on the MCAT didn't represent at best a handful of questions? and
(2) I think the 27-28 number is the average for LECOM-E/SH. I have no idea what LECOM-B is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was slightly higher than LECOM-E/SH. Most people would rather be on the beach instead of buried under the snow during med school.

What would be the difference? Are accepted higher because they include people who may have chosen to go to "better" schools?

Accepted is almost always higher than matriculant, because among even the mid-tier US MD schools, they are accepting a number of people that ultimately go to a different school.

To show an example of how this works, someone with a really high MCAT would get accepted at a bunch of schools. This would inflate the accepted MCAT averages of all of the schools they got into, but realistically they can only go to one school, as a result all the other school's matriculant averages would bump down. If all schools were equal, this wouldn't be a problem, because you'd assume the applicants would be a representative sample of all accepted medical students, but in reality all schools are not equal and competitive applicants tend to prefer certain schools over others.

 

[mathnerd88]

Haha, 2 things:
(1) Since when is 27-28 "nowhere near 29"? Did I enter some alternate universe where 1 pt on the MCAT didn't represent at best a handful of questions? and
(2) I think the 27-28 number is the average for LECOM-E/SH. I have no idea what LECOM-B is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was slightly higher than LECOM-E/SH. Most people would rather be on the beach instead of buried under the snow during med school.

1. Now you're just arguing semantics. I don't think 27-28 is close to 29. 1 full point is already a 6% difference in percentile, which to me is significant, especially when you're talking about AVERAGES. As an individual, that 1 pt is probably not a huge deal, but if your average is 1 pt lower, then that is significant. An average of 1 point means that out of all the students who were accepted (over 250,) every single one accepted has a 1 point higher, on average on the MCAT than the other school.

2. You're just implying that students rely heavily on location. LECOM-E has their own teaching hospital, while LECOM-B does not. I can say that a lot of students might prefer LECOM-E due to less likelihood of not having to "move around" for rotations. Also, some people prefer the Northeast to the south. There's also research available at LECOM-E that LECOM-B doesn't have. Just because Bradenton is warmer and sunnier with beaches doesn't mean that people will automatically flock there. Bradenton is also PBL based, and many students may not function well with that curriculum.

Both of these points are just...differing of opinions. I'm just stating what I saw in my interviews and what I was told. I was accepted into both schools.

Average MCAT of LECOM was 3.5 cGPA/ 3.4 sGPA/ 27 MCAT for 2015 entering class, and it seems to be the average for BOTH LECOM-E and LECOM-B campuses.
http://lecom.edu/academics/the-college-of-medicine/faq-college-of-medicine/

 

[hallowmann]

1. Now you're just arguing semantics. I don't think 27-28 is close to 29. 1 full point is already a 6% difference in percentile, which to me is significant, especially when you're talking about AVERAGES. As an individual, that 1 pt is probably not a huge deal, but if your average is 1 pt lower, then that is significant.

2. You're just implying that students rely heavily on location. LECOM-E has their own teaching hospital, while LECOM-B does not. I can say that a lot of students might prefer LECOM-E due to less likelihood of not having to "move around" for rotations.

Both of these points are just...differing of opinions. I'm just stating what I saw in my interviews and what I was told.

1) Yeah, 1 pt is not all that significant to me. Its been a while since I looked at the distribution of the MCAT, so I can't confirm the 6% being the difference between a 28 and 29, but I'm pretty sure it varies significantly where on the percentile list you are (e.g. 28 vs 29, 24 vs 25, 33 vs 34, etc.). In any case, thinking practically does a difference of 1 pt on a class average really inform your decision much at all when it has no bearing on your own score/percentile? Are you honestly going to be able to differentiate the class that has a 28 average MCAT from the one that has a 29 average? Are you going to pick the school with a 29 over the one with a 28 because it has that 1 pt difference? We're talking about a standard deviation difference here.

And of course I'm going to argue semantics because you used extreme terminology, you said "nowhere near 29" and it was literally a single point below it. How is that nowhere near 29? Is 30 also nowhere near 29?

2) Except location is consistently the most commonly indicated reason why applicants, students, and residents choose schools/positions.

 

[mathnerd88]

1) Yeah, 1 pt is not all that significant to me. Its been a while since I looked at the distribution of the MCAT, so I can't confirm the 6% being the difference between a 28 and 29, but I'm pretty sure it varies significantly where on the percentile list you are (e.g. 28 vs 29, 24 vs 25, 33 vs 34, etc.). In any case, thinking practically does a difference of 1 pt on a class average really inform your decision much at all when it has no bearing on your own score/percentile? Are you honestly going to be able to differentiate the class that has a 28 average MCAT from the one that has a 29 average? Are you going to pick the school with a 29 over the one with a 28 because it has that 1 pt difference? We're talking about a standard deviation difference here.

And of course I'm going to argue semantics because you used extreme terminology, you said "nowhere near 29" and it was literally a single point below it. How is that nowhere near 29? Is 30 also nowhere near 29?

2) Except location is consistently the most commonly indicated reason why applicants, students, and residents choose schools/positions.

1. We can agree to disagree. 1 point may not be a big deal to you, but it is to me. If that's the case, then why are there MCAT cutoffs for some schools? Why not accept students with a 24 instead of a 25? It's just a 1 point difference...That 1 point difference could be the determination of your acceptance.

2. Only if it matters when you want to be near a family support system. Cost is also important. Also, curriculum matters too. Everything else, then no. You're going to be in medical school. You're not going to have much time to relax on the beach. Your reason for location is because it is sunny and has beaches. It is MUCH more than that. If I wouldn't survive in a PBL curriculum, no matter how much sunshine and puppies a location is, I won't go. I doubt most students with a choice would either. I would find that the weather of a location is SECONDARY to everything else that's important.

 

[crazyboi1993]

@mathnerd88 @hallowmann ... I interviewed at both LECOM SH and LECOM B. The presentation at SH said that LECOM-B has higher board scores and higher average MCAT.. LECOM SH said that they were approaching 27.5, close to 28, and LECOM B around 29 (this was before I even got an invite to LECOM B). I also asked privately at my LECOM-B interview, and they said they were going to approach 29 this cycle. which to me is around 28.5. But aside from that, I chose LECOM-B for Location, Cost, and Curriculum. Location to me is VERY important. I thought CUSOM was a very nice school, but I did not like the location, and cold weather is not appealing to me. I honestly think Location is very important, and when I was in Florida, I got the best vibe, out of all my other interviews

 

[mathnerd88]

@mathnerd88 @hallowmann ... I interviewed at both LECOM SH and LECOM B. The presentation at SH said that LECOM-B has higher board scores and higher average MCAT.. LECOM SH said that they were approaching 27.5, close to 28, and LECOM B around 29 (this was before I even got an invite to LECOM B). I also asked privately at my LECOM-B interview, and they said they were going to approach 29 this cycle. which to me is around 28.5. But aside from that, I chose LECOM-B for Location, Cost, and Curriculum. Location to me is VERY important. I thought CUSOM was a very nice school, but I did not like the location, and cold weather is not appealing to me. I honestly think Location is very important, and when I was in Florida, I got the best vibe, out of all my other interviews

Agreed. Again, curriculum/cost matters. If someone can't handle PBL, then CUSOM would've been a better option. I find this to be more important than location. Also, CUSOM seems to really want their students to succeed and promotes a family-like cooperative environment. Personally, I would've chosen CUSOM over LECOM-E and LECOM-B, due to its curriculum, research opportunities, and also the ability to go on medical mission trips. CUSOM gave me a scholarship, so it would've been the same cost to me between the two schools. Without that scholarship, the choice would be much more difficult.

 

[crazyboi1993]

Agreed. Again, curriculum/cost matters. If someone can't handle PBL, then CUSOM would've been a better option. I find this to be more important than location. Also, CUSOM seems to really want their students to succeed and promotes a family-like environment. Personally, I would've chosen CUSOM over LECOM-E and LECOM-B, due to its curriculum, research opportunities, and also the ability to go on medical mission trips. CUSOM gave me a scholarship, so it would've been the same cost to me between the two schools. Without that scholarship, the choice would be much more difficult.

If I wouldve gotten a CUSOM scholarship, it wouldve been equal to LECOM B's cost, and I likely wouldve gone to CUSOM, bc I did like the school a lot. I just couldnt justify paying 10k extra to go to CUSOM, when I dont really like the location. While PBL is tough, I never attended lecture in undergrad, I am sure I can handle it, I like learning on my own, and I like the flexibility PBL gives you, and even in rotations (chance to come back North if I get tired of FL). So in the grand schemes of things, LECOM B, was equal to CUSOM's curriculum, LECOM B was better in COST and Location, so LECOM-B was the winner hahha!

 

[mathnerd88]

If I wouldve gotten a CUSOM scholarship, it wouldve been equal to LECOM B's cost, and I likely wouldve gone to CUSOM, bc I did like the school a lot. I just couldnt justify paying 10k extra to go to CUSOM, when I dont really like the location. While PBL is tough, I never attended lecture in undergrad, I am sure I can handle it, I like learning on my own, and I like the flexibility PBL gives you, and even in rotations (chance to come back North if I get tired of FL). So in the grand schemes of things, LECOM B, was equal to CUSOM's curriculum, LECOM B was better in COST and Location, so LECOM-B was the winner hahha!

In your position, I would've chosen LECOM also. I definitely enjoyed my visit there.

 

[hallowmann]

1. We can agree to disagree. 1 point may not be a big deal to you, but it is to me. If that's the case, then why are there MCAT cutoffs for some schools? Why not accept students with a 24 instead of a 25? It's just a 1 point difference...That 1 point difference could be the determination of your acceptance.

2. Only if it matters when you want to be near a family support system. Cost is also important. Also, curriculum matters too. Everything else, then no. You're going to be in medical school. You're not going to have much time to relax on the beach. Your reason for location is because it is sunny and has beaches. It is MUCH more than that. If I wouldn't survive in a PBL curriculum, no matter how much sunshine and puppies a location is, I won't go. I doubt most students with a choice would either. I would find that the weather of a location is SECONDARY to everything else that's important.

I don't want this to continue ad infinitum, so I will agree to disagree, but I have to mention a few things (since afterall you felt the need to as well).

Cutoffs exist to thin the herd. You have to draw a line somewhere, that line is based on where you think you'll have a realistic amount of applications to sort through. When you have 5000-10000 applicants for 200 positions, you're not going to read them all, so you create boundaries based on quantitative or qualitative measurements. It doesn't necessarily mean you believe a 24 applicant is so nowhere near the caliber of a 25 applicant, it just means that when you cut at 25, you significantly thin the herd, and since there are plenty of qualified applicants in the higher group, you're not really taking a risk on missing out on an irreplaceable gem.

As for beaches and what not, location isn't only because of support system. While that is certainly a major reason, people will also consistently choose places with nightlife, big cities, beaches, hiking trails, etc. based on what they're in to. That's one of the big reasons that schools in those types of areas also tend to have higher matriculant averages.

Now of course other things come into play (curriculum, cost, education standard, warm gooey feelings you get at the school, etc.), but like I already said, the vast majority will count location as one of the top reasons for choosing/ranking X school/residency. You don't need to go far to verify this info. They write reports and articles about it every application cycle.