Bad Institutional Action

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

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[deleted480308]

We should make life as fair as possible for everyone when fairness is in our hands.

You're getting a little silly with this.....every college kid starts with no IAs. Every one has the choice to not get any. It's not unfair for IAs, particularly for theft, to count against you

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I think he's saying he would be lenient. If he'd forgive a DUI, do you really think he's not soft enough to forgive stealing a damn banana?

I do. You'd be surprised how people compartmentalize.

 

[mwsapphire]

I do. You'd be surprised how people compartmentalize.

 

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

You're getting a little silly with this.....every college kid starts with no IAs. Every one has the choice to not get any. It's not unfair for IAs, particularly for theft, to count against you

Shouldn't be a deal breaker, or "filter."

*I have no IA's

 

[ThirdMolarz]

TY adcoms for chiming in and giving OP his/her answer. Also, TY to adcoms for remaining professional all throughout this discussion. Much respect!

 

[aformerstudent]

I still don't understand why this is a thread

 

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

@aformerstudent what do you mean?

 

[mwsapphire]

@aformerstudent what do you mean?

His suggestion would be to just got to the Carib.

 

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

His suggestion would be to just got to the Carib.

That's stupid

 

[mwsapphire]

That's stupid

*whispers* don't make me explain the joke

 

[aformerstudent]

@aformerstudent what do you mean?

What I mean is are you people arguing over the fact that this kid stole a banana????

Tell him to put that down on his app
Offense: "Stole banana freshman year...got caught"

I mean why?

 

[leonardoson]

@leonardoson i think this addresses your situation well. i'm happy, because whatever happens in high school should definitely stay in high school.

Yea the only issue with me is I have an EXPUNGED juvenile record, which from what I hear can still show up in federal background checks. Lawyer people say it should act like it never took place, but I have been lurking long enough to see horror issues where that hasn't been true. Pretty much I have to do a federal check on myself to see what comes up and see what needs to be disclosed. I disclosed the situation when I got my EMT license and nothing came of it, but medical school is a different story. I'm just unsure if I should utilize the drastic life turn-around I made in my personal story, or try and abandon it all together.

 

[altblue]

Then start a med school, they have ten times the applicants they need and you don't think theft is a reasonable filter?

You have a very... inclusive definition of theft. Hopefully you can agree that not all thefts are equal in magnitude of their transgression and that this is a relatively weak example of theft.

I wouldn't be rejecting potentially intelligent and compassionate medical students through some idiotic character test, or this filter. The idea that taking some food home at the age of 18/19, again that they under specific circumstances are entitled to use (staying in the cafeteria) , while under economic duress is enough information to eliminate someone based on their character is preposterous.

To be clear, I don't mean to say that this shouldn't be considered, but rather that it should not be a disqualifying factor. This isn't cheating on a final, this isn't violence either.

 

[DameJulie]

This might be off track, but can someone elaborate on how to overcome IA as academic probation on the application? Of course, it was a one-time thing and GPA has an increasing trend afterwards.

 

[cactusman]

You have a very... inclusive definition of theft. Hopefully you can agree that not all thefts are equal in magnitude of their transgression and that this is a relatively weak example of theft.

I wouldn't be rejecting potentially intelligent and compassionate medical students through some idiotic character test, or this filter. The idea that taking some food home at the age of 18/19, again that they under specific circumstances are entitled to use (staying in the cafeteria) , while under economic duress is enough information to eliminate someone based on their character is preposterous.

To be clear, I don't mean to say that this shouldn't be considered, but rather that it should not be a disqualifying factor. This isn't cheating on a final, this isn't violence either.

Overall I agree with you, but it sounds like OP has a very different dining hall than most of us. OP could not have eaten the food until the cost of the food had been subtracted from his meal plan account, so stealing it is a pretty unambiguous crime.

 

[thehopeisreal]

It seems crazy to me that everything I've done since then could be for nothing. I was a naive freshman andI panicked and did something incredibly stupid. Not sure what to do at this point because I don't want to do anything other than be a physician.

 

[750335]

It seems crazy to me that everything I've done since then could be for nothing. I was a naive freshman andI panicked and did something incredibly stupid. Not sure what to do at this point because I don't want to do anything other than be a physician.

Apply anyway, and craft your explanation using LizzyM's suggestion as a template. You never know.
Apply MD and DO as well, make sure you don't have any other red flags on your application. Good luck.

 

[altblue]

Overall I agree with you, but it sounds like OP has a very different dining hall than most of us. OP could not have eaten the food until the cost of the food had been subtracted from his meal plan account, so stealing it is a pretty unambiguous crime.

Ah, I had assumed it was similar to the most common version... Maybe waiting to see if they're clean for 3-5 years would be appropriate

 

[Goro]

It seems crazy to me that everything I've done since then could be for nothing. I was a naive freshman andI panicked and did something incredibly stupid. Not sure what to do at this point because I don't want to do anything other than be a physician.

If you don't apply, your rejection rate will be 100%.

 

[aformerstudent]

It seems crazy to me that everything I've done since then could be for nothing. I was a naive freshman andI panicked and did something incredibly stupid. Not sure what to do at this point because I don't want to do anything other than be a physician.

Dude just leave the incident off your app. They'll never find out and if they do, be sure to take a video of the exchange and post it on YouTube for us to see. This is utterly ridiculous. God helps those who helps themselves OK. Just move on and stop stealing bananas.

 

[precisiongraphic]

I would take the good advice from @LizzyM and goro above and apply widely MD/DO and ignore the person that said to leave it off your app. Then if not successful, go do something else for a few years while continuing volunteering and service.

It seems crazy to me that everything I've done since then could be for nothing. I was a naive freshman and I panicked and did something incredibly stupid. Not sure what to do at this point because I don't want to do anything other than be a physician.

 

[leonardoson]

Dude just leave the incident off your app. They'll never find out and if they do, be sure to take a video of the exchange and post it on YouTube for us to see. This is utterly ridiculous. God helps those who helps themselves OK. Just move on and stop stealing bananas.

absolutely do not follow this guy's advice

 

[RogueBanana]

Just don't steal bananas though. That's just going too far.

I think he's saying he would be lenient. If he'd forgive a DUI, do you really think he's not soft enough to forgive stealing a damn banana?

As the representative of Bananas in Medicine, I would like to comment, on behalf of all my brethren, that banana stealing has become an epidemic of biblical proportions. I demand justice for my brothers and sisters!

 

[precisiongraphic]

absolutely do not follow this guy's advice

Agreed - have not seen one of his posts with which I agree.

 

[altblue]

Agreed - have not seen one of his posts with which I agree.

I think his avatar is somewhat telling

 

[mwsapphire]

I think his avatar is somewhat telling

His account was put on "hold". Why wasn't he banned?
Edit: I was gonna make that joke....

 

[gyngyn]

Dude just leave the incident off your app. They'll never find out and if they do, be sure to take a video of the exchange and post it on YouTube for us to see. This is utterly ridiculous. God helps those who helps themselves OK. Just move on and stop stealing bananas.

For those interested:
"Institutional Action
You must answer Yes to this question if you were ever the recipient of any institutional action resulting from unacceptable academic performance or a conduct violation, even if such action did not interrupt your enrollment or require you to withdraw. You must answer Yes even if the action does not appear on or has been deleted from your official transcripts due to institutional policy or personal petition.

If you answer Yes, you may use the space provided to explain; this space is 1325 characters or approximately one-quarter of a page in length.

If you are not certain whether or not you have been the subject of an institutional action, contact the registrar, student affairs officer, or other appropriate party at the institution for confirmation of your record.

Failure to provide accurate information in answering this question or, if applicable, in completing the form provided by the school, will result in an investigation.

Medical schools require you to answer this question accurately and provide all relevant information. Medical schools understand that many individuals learn from the past and emerge stronger as a result. Full disclosure will enable the medical schools to more effectively evaluate this information within the context of your credentials.

Applicants who become the subject of an institutional action after certifying and submitting the AMCAS application must inform their designated Medical school(s) within ten (10) business days of the date of the occurrence."
AMCAS Instruction Manual 2017

 

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

For those interested:
"Institutional Action
You must answer Yes to this question if you were ever the recipient of any institutional action resulting from unacceptable academic performance or a conduct violation, even if such action did not interrupt your enrollment or require you to withdraw. You must answer Yes even if the action does not appear on or has been deleted from your official transcripts due to institutional policy or personal petition.

If you answer Yes, you may use the space provided to explain; this space is 1325 characters or approximately one-quarter of a page in length.

If you are not certain whether or not you have been the subject of an institutional action, contact the registrar, student affairs officer, or other appropriate party at the institution for confirmation of your record.

Failure to provide accurate information in answering this question or, if applicable, in completing the form provided by the school, will result in an investigation.

Medical schools require you to answer this question accurately and provide all relevant information. Medical schools understand that many individuals learn from the past and emerge stronger as a result. Full disclosure will enable the medical schools to more effectively evaluate this information within the context of your credentials.

Applicants who become the subject of an institutional action after certifying and submitting the AMCAS application must inform their designated Medical school(s) within ten (10) business days of the date of the occurrence."
AMCAS Instruction Manual 2017

Does "Academic Warning" as opposed to "Good Standing" count?

 

[gyngyn]

Does "Academic Warning" as opposed to "Good Standing" count?

Could you re-state the question?

 

[LizzyM]

Does "Academic Warning" as opposed to "Good Standing" count?

If you are not certain whether or not you have been the subject of an institutional action, contact the registrar, student affairs officer, or other appropriate party at the institution for confirmation of your record.

 

[jcorpsmanMD]

Life's not fair.

I support this statement 100%.

 

[LizzyM]

It seems crazy to me that everything I've done since then could be for nothing. I was a naive freshman andI panicked and did something incredibly stupid. Not sure what to do at this point because I don't want to do anything other than be a physician.

My heart breaks for you. I have seen adcoms come down hard on applicants who have IAs for theft but from what I recall, the IAs were usually for stealing the personal property of other students. What was, in essence, shoplifting from the college cafeteria because you were poor and hungry is not in the same league as stealing an unattended tablet or laptop from the school library. Explain it best you can and hope for the best. I am going to hope that there is someone out there that remembers the plot of Les Misérables.

 

[RogueBanana]

My heart breaks for you. I have seen adcoms come down hard on applicants who have IAs for theft but from what I recall, the IAs were usually for stealing the personal property of other students. What was, in essence, shoplifting from the college cafeteria because you were poor and hungry is not in the same league as stealing an unattended tablet or laptop from the school library. Explain it best you can and hope for the best. I am going to hope that there is someone out there that remembers the plot of Les Misérables.

Dr.Jean Valjean has a nice ring to it

 

[bananafish94]

As the representative of Bananas in Medicine

*clears throat*

 

[RogueBanana]

*clears throat*

Fight me

 

[787593]

A lot of food banks allow people to walk in and take an emergency food bag. Usually has about 6 to 10,000 cal worth of food, enough to last a few days at least

*edit*

I'm not saying the OP deserved the IA, but I can see how the situation would warrant disciplinary action. But it seems heavy handed by the university to not take the student's financial issues into account.

10,000 calories would last like 1.5 days

 

[RogueBanana]

10,000 calories would last like 1.5 days

Whatever it takes.

 

[787593]

Whatever it takes

Whatever it takes to get huge

 

[RogueBanana]

Whatever it takes to get huge

Now we're just off topic haha

 

[deleted647690]

If you are not certain whether or not you have been the subject of an institutional action, contact the registrar, student affairs officer, or other appropriate party at the institution for confirmation of your record.

If you had your record expunged, couldn't you just say you contacted the party at your institution and found that your record had nothing?

 

[Goro]

If you had your record expunged, couldn't you just say you contacted the party at your institution and found that your record had nothing?

I have seen people rejected over LORs that say "acetylmandarin has grown so much since the theft incident".

You can't take that chance.

 

[JJRousseau]

Rule 1: take a breath

lets stop with mixed signals and just be clear for OP

1) You should apply normally based on your academic record. If you dont apply, you cant say yes
2) You have to disclose the IA
3) You need to have a concise and coherent statement of only a couple of sentences (if you need help PM me)
4) it was a minor issue of taking food from cafeteria without paying as a freshman. You did so simply because didnt have the money from family issues to pay for. You were hungry, young and stupid.
5) dont focus on this as you cant change it. move on to things that you can change

This.

And in the meantime the rest of us can brush up on our Marx and Engels in preparation for the revolution, so this sort of ridiculousness doesn't happen again.


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[deleted647690]

I have seen people rejected over LORs that say "acetylmandarin has grown so much since the theft incident".

You can't take that chance.

Yeah, OP, you just have to deal with the consequences. It's behind you now and you can't do anything about it.

 

[deleted647690]

I don't think I would even try to say that you were starving and needed the food, because that sounds like you are trying to make excuses. Maybe say that if they specifically ask why you stole something in an interview

I would hope someone would forgive you for stealing food from a dining hall

 

[aformerstudent]

Guys, I think it's time to put this thread out to pasture.

 

[WGSgrad]

I always wondered if Marx ever called up his publisher and ask "is it selling?"

More like, "How long before we can give away a few copies?"


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[sullen-burger]

In before thread closed.

 

[LizzyM]

I don't think I would even try to say that you were starving and needed the food, because that sounds like you are trying to make excuses. Maybe say that if they specifically ask why you stole something in an interview

I would hope someone would forgive you for stealing food from a dining hall

Bad advice! There won't be an interview unless he explains in writing in the application the reason he stooped to shoplifting from the school cafeteria.

 

[Goro]

Moo!

We can pun around until the cows come home!