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A few years ago I got myself into hot water from a unprofessional conduct standpoint, ultimately needing some help from the Dean of Medicine to help get my "career" back on track. I am really no longer that person I used to be but hey they have to document these things and be "honest" on the MSPE n' "stuff"
FYI, the professionalism comments in the MSPE are somewhat vague. just mentions of unprofessional conduct, dismissal, then re-instatement by the Dean of Medicine and a subsequent probation period. Then it mention that I finished the terms of my probation upon graduation.
My understanding is that schools are required to report what percentage of students on each rotation get a P vs. HP vs. Honors, so they will get a rough estimate of your 'rank' in any given clerkship. Its not something that you see when you review your record, and is not the same as an overall class rank.Also, there is no mention of rank on the MSPE with respect to performance for I don't think my school does that.
My understanding is that schools are required to report what percentage of students on each rotation get a P vs. HP vs. Honors, so they will get a rough estimate of your 'rank' in any given clerkship. Its not something that you see when you review your record, and is not the same as an overall class rank.
Full disclosure, I had a professionalism issue (badmouthed someone online and the website complained to the school ISP etc) had it written up in my MSPE, repeated my second year of medical school, and didn't do so hot on Step 1 but was able to match.
What??? You had to repeat a year of med school for badmouthing someone on an internet forum??
Nah, the repeat year was for failing a bunch of classes.
For bad mouthing someone, I had to do volunteer work and get a statement made on my MSPE. Love these medical school administrators
Was this on Facebook or something with your real name? How did you get identified if not? Im fascinated by this
Not facebook.
Identified via IP address as I was on the school wireless network.
You're missing the point. They won't call to get the details. Your app needs to have the details in it (with verification from your school) or they will just roundfile it. Vague isn't going to work. why would anyone go to that effort?
Hello Folks,
I've been lurking for 5yrs+ now But I thought I would make my joining official. I thought I kick my off my membership with a post where I would pose those that know more than I am a question...
Me: I am an AMG from a very old (Greater than 120 years old), mid-tier, US-M.D Granting school somewhere in the contiguous US. I earned P's with some HP's sprinkled in, failed No courses and
USMLE Step 1:240-245
USMLE Step 2CK: 235-240
YOG:2016
No Publications, no AOA (obviously from below), no research. Run of the Mill Medical Student.
Here are the two Kickers: I failed the USMLE CS...TWICE needing 3 attempts to pass it and,
A few years ago I got myself into hot water from a unprofessional conduct standpoint, ultimately needing some help from the Dean of Medicine to help get my "career" back on track. I am really no longer that person I used to be but hey they have to document these things and be "honest" on the MSPE n' "stuff"
Assume Arguendo my current Rec letters are "on par" with every other student applying.
What Can I match in realistically and what do I have to do? The Original goal was I.M. I am doing something now in and around medicine (i'd rather not say) but assume arguendo that I'm not doing anything. What SHOULD I be endeavoring to do on a day-to-day basis? Also a big one is Will Step 3 help me? I sorta feel that the Step 3 is an interns exam. Based on the PD Survery, it is hardly factored in when they decide to invite and rank. Moreover, In the small chance I fail it, 3 failed USMLE's would be hard to overcome. That is high risk and low reward. and It is expensive!
Also finally is medicine over? Should I perhaps be looking to do something else?
Please Comment with your earnest takes on the situation at hand. Thanks All!!
You're missing the point. They won't call to get the details. Your app needs to have the details in it (with verification from your school) or they will just roundfile it. Vague isn't going to work. why would anyone go to that effort?
I received 4 professional citations and then one * starred incident. The MSPE only has the 4 citations, and omits mention of the starred incidence Not because they being dishonest or trying to "help me" but because that offense was not official put down in the official citation mechanism. But no doubt It was a part of the foundation of the justification for getting kicked out.
So this IV season, I went on some IV's and told them unabridged truth. I personally don't think that went in my favor, especially when recanting a certain incident. It's hard to recant that stuff but I know it's gotta be done. I'll see if I can go in a re-tool my strategy for next time. I have no problem with truth telling folks. I don't mind meeting anyone of you sitting down for 2hrs+, looking you in the eye and telling you how I effed up and how/why I'm a better person and the steps I have taken.
all this, I also seriously empathize with felons and folks with records. The struggle they face is real. I'm not even a felon, neither do I have a criminal record but I sorta feel like one with my "record." I will make it my life's duty to hire folks with records or a little dirt on them because I can sorta see the regard that society has for folks with a little "dirt" on them and it's not high.
I received 4 professional citations and then one * starred incident. The MSPE only has the 4 citations, and omits mention of the starred incidence Not because they being dishonest or trying to "help me" but because that offense was not official put down in the official citation mechanism. But no doubt It was a part of the foundation of the justification for getting kicked out.
So this IV season, I went on some IV's and told them unabridged truth. I personally don't think that went in my favor, especially when recanting a certain incident. It's hard to recant that stuff but I know it's gotta be done. I'll see if I can go in a re-tool my strategy for next time. I have no problem with truth telling folks. I don't mind meeting anyone of you sitting down for 2hrs+, looking you in the eye and telling you how I effed up and how/why I'm a better person and the steps I have taken.
all this, I also seriously empathize with felons and folks with records. The struggle they face is real. I'm not even a felon, neither do I have a criminal record but I sorta feel like one with my "record." I will make it my life's duty to hire folks with records or a little dirt on them because I can sorta see the regard that society has for folks with a little "dirt" on them and it's not high.
I somewhat is my style to let people speculate BUT I do this because I want to make sure the Dean of Medicine is getting proper regard. That is to let you guys know that the Dean is not re-insisting nut jobs back to medical school
Here are Things I want to stress to all those who read this post that the following are not involved:
1) no felony convictions
2) no misdemeanor conviction (ie no DUI convictions) I have a clean record.
3) no substance abuse issues
4) no failed classes. Very important as no medical school worth its salt can a medical student pass on a clinical rotation with an adverse patient interaction so that is a clue there.
5) no accusations of sexual inappropriateness
I'm actually kinna paranoid about people finding out who I am hence my extreme vagueness on this anonymous forum but......
I will say my most egregious offense was me having strong words of disagreement for a resident that was giving me a hard time and abusing me and engaging in libel. I felt like I was standing up for myself. The matter was reported to the clerkship director then reported to the Promotion Committee. They obviously weren't happy with that.
Other than that, I run a squeaky clean, air tight operation.
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I'm actually kinna paranoid about people finding out who I am hence my extreme vagueness on this anonymous forum but......
I will say my most egregious offense was me having strong words of disagreement for a resident that was giving me a hard time and abusing me and engaging in libel. I felt like I was standing up for myself. The matter was reported to the clerkship director then reported to the Promotion Committee. They obviously weren't happy with that.
Other than that, I run a squeaky clean, air tight operation.
I agree with light at end of tunnel.
This is probably not the right place to seek advice. We have got people out here who would cut your throat and put you down if they had half a chance to do so. Seek advice from people you know. Seek advice from a attending mentor. And if anything, seek counsel from an experienced lawyer and see what pointers they can suggest in your obviously very complicated situation.
What do you think a lawyer can possibly offer the OP?I agree with light at end of tunnel.
This is probably not the right place to seek advice. We have got people out here who would cut your throat and put you down if they had half a chance to do so. Seek advice from people you know. Seek advice from a attending mentor. And if anything, seek counsel from an experienced lawyer and see what pointers they can suggest in your obviously very complicated situation.
Other than that, I run a squeaky clean, air tight operation.
No, just got upset at one singular person.
No, just got upset at one singular person.
Yeah I guess Details wouldn't hurt
Citation 1: A compilation citation from a first year course.Didn't show up to a site visit once, didn't write a test at the appropriate time. didn't format my paper correctly (.doc rather than .docx). wrote an "anonymous" very critical critique of their test question, then them.
Citation 2: Delinquent End of course evaluation
This is where it take the turn for the worst
*- I then had that previously mentioned broo-ha with the 4th year resident. I was an MS3 then. I was definitely raising my voice/yelling at the resident. Administrators were understandably not pleased
Citation 3: is one I am still VERY VERY TICKED off about. On the last day of this pedi neurology clerkship (as apart of of neuro), the CD calls me to talk to me. She tells me "it has been noticed that on occasion you talk to yourself in a very low voice. I'm like ok, soooo (talked to my doctor about it and she says that this is normal behavior)... She then proceeds with the insane "claim" that in the process of talking to yourself, on two occasions you "might" have used swear words under your breath while in patient rooms with patients. I told her straight up I didn't do that. She beings with the bs "why would your preceptors lie yada yada." I am ready to literally duel over this (a la Vice President Burr). Quite simply,I'm sorry my preceptor heard wrong, interpreted wrong iono BUT I didn't do that. Point. Blank. Period. End of Story.
At 3 citations, you gotta go to Student Promotion Committee. I'll never forget the Chair of the SPC interrupted me 3 times as she was "demanding answers" for the pedi thing. All 3 times I was basically like "I DO NOT KNOW what you are talking about." See in life however Perception Is Reality. I had already shown myself to be capable of wayward acts so it was easy to say "you did this" despite me ADAMANTLY insisting the contrary. More over the person making the claims were full longtime professors (ie claim made by professor then forwarded to the CD, another full professor). It was their word against mine and guess who loses things like that? the conclusion, I'm told that another citation could get me kicked out
4th Citation: I go to OSCE very very sick. I figure I couldn't miss it cause I didnt want another citation. I complete the OSCE but my behavior was erratic. I wasn't following instructions properly and then finally broke the camels back was I took to long to use the restroom. She wrote the citation to make sure I was "ok" wanted me to "talk to somebody" The 2nd meeting is where dismissal happened. Said I lacked the professionalism to be a medical student. upheld by review committee, Reversed by Dean of Medicine
There you have it.
Go!
I think I might do that. thanksYou should delete this thread. That diatribe is unhelpful to your future goals.
You should delete this thread. That diatribe is unhelpful to your future goals.
How so? If Dr. Bahnson can force OCPs down peoples throats, certainly OP can tell us that Dr. Bahnson shoves OCPs down peoples throats.
Don't you think we ought to share this terrifying but true information with potential medical students that may one day find themselves forced into ingesting OCPs bc of their PD?
Wilson v. Bahnson et al.pdf
Please read the 91 page statement made in US District Court. I'm literally not making this up.
How so? Really?
He's on the edge of losing his medical career because of a series of bizarre conflicts and events. Then he wrote a long screed about a variety of irrelevant and unrelated events. You can't see why that could reflect poorly on his judgement at a time when that is already in question?
Wilson v. Bahnson et al.pdf
Please read the 91 page statement made in US District Court. I'm literally not making this up.
How so? I hope people are not gonna try an find me now. I'm actually kinna scared and might just get off this forum. The only point I made is that people more objectively deplorable than me currently in medicine. I don't see how this is not going to help me match? of course I'm not saying this to anybody. The only how I would voice this would be to my TIGHT FRIENDS and behind the veil of anonymity (ie this forum). I hope that's not a threat cause in that case I need to run away from here. My main goal is to match. I'm here for a coming together of ideas and minds and make a case on why I should be at least given a chance.
Straight up. If assaulting bigots can be current practicing doctors. and people with DUI's (endangering others lives) can be get into residency, please find a a good reason other than "character issues" and "I got caught" why I can't get hired. He's a state employee for that matter. Imagine, People like ME and my mother are FURNISHING HIS SALARY. yet I can't get a chance? These kinds of thought are in the deep recesses of my mind and I'm only here venting per the homie Light At End of Tunnel.
Just put yourself in my shoes folks,
Thanks Again!!