Are medical schools also on this absurd PC train?

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So you're saying that this professor should be congratulated for discussing his/her political beliefs at work with a student, in a setting where there would be no professional benefit, because they were republican.

While the professor that discussed his political beliefs at work with an applicant, in a setting where there would be no professional benefit, should be villified, reported, and potentially face disciplinary action, because they were (potentially) democrat?

Either you're just trolling or you're the advocating for the dictionary definition of hypocrisy.
A medal of bravery is not the same as an accolade for his actions. Is this move brave? Making an opinion that would likely get you fired if you aren't tenured? I think that is brave as hell. Is it inappropriate? Absolutely.

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Yeah... what a terrible place Idaho is ;)
Stop! What are you doing?! Don't let the secret out - we have enough Oregonians/Washingtonians/Californians coming to axe our state next!
 
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I would LOVE to see the reaction if you did that at UCSF or Yale!;)
Could you actually get in trouble for wearing a MAGA shirt on their campuses?


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Okay, bud, you do you.

And for the future, statistics require context and definition. prevalance doesn't describe distribution. So if you wanted to quantify risk, there could be a higher prevalance in the gay community with a bimodal distribution of risk. there could even be a distribution where more gay people are in the low risk category, but there is still a greater prevalance of HIV cases than in the straight population.
I admit you lost me at bimodal distribution. Okay, meaning low risk/high risk? I have studied very little statistics. I feel as though you are hiding behind an unecessarily complex scenario which detracts from the major point of if you took 1000 homosexual men and 1000 heterosexual men from any major city (of course there will be few exceptions) there would be a higher number of homosexuals with AIDS/HIV. I dont know how we got to this particular argument, but something tells me you are just insecurely flexing by using unecessary lingo to make a nitpicky detracting point.

Edit: Okay I get what you are saying. Risk=\=prevalence. My point above would still disprove that. You are arguing the cause, I am arguing the result. If they have it they have it.
 
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You are narrow minded in your thinking, mountain man. See other post.
I saw. Still doesn't change everything else you've said in the thread. This entire thread is you crying "woe is me" because academia has a liberal slant. Grow a spine for God's sake, and that's coming from a liberal "crybaby."
 
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Stop! What are you doing?! Don't let the secret out - we have enough Oregonians/Washingtonians/Californians coming to axe our state next!
Considering your doctor shortage, your Medicaid reimbursement problems and your harassment of doctors by legislators and acceptance and promotion if NDs, maybe you need outsiders. Indiana Dunes are breathtaking too, but it doesn't help healthcare in my state.
 
Why is this even in Allopathic? Why aren't you whining with the premeds?
 
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Why is this even in Allopathic? Why aren't you whining with the premeds?

Because the overly-leftist slant in medical school is very much an allopathic (and surely osteopathic) school issue. To be fair, though, the OP is pre-med so I would be fine with this thread being moved to pre-allo.

As a side note, your hilariously smug sense of superiority is the kind of attitude that gift wrapped and hand delivered the election to Donald Trump.
 
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Because the overly-leftist slant in medical school is very much an allopathic (and surely osteopathic) school issue. To be fair, though, the OP is pre-med so I would be fine with this thread being moved to pre-allo.

As a side note, your hilariously smug sense of superiority is the kind of attitude that gift wrapped and hand delivered the election to Donald Trump.
Smug? I grew up in Trump land with a family of bikers and a single mom making just above minimum wage. I am the first one in my family without a criminal record, let alone a college degree. I understand the OP, but find his fear and outrage theatrical. He won't be discriminated for being from Idaho, as I wasn't from being from rural Indiana. Focus on real problems. This interviewer hurt his feelings. What does this have to do with Allopathic?
 
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Because the overly-leftist slant in medical school is very much an allopathic (and surely osteopathic) school issue. To be fair, though, the OP is pre-med so I would be fine with this thread being moved to pre-allo.

As a side note, your hilariously smug sense of superiority is the kind of attitude that gift wrapped and hand delivered the election to Donald Trump.
Let's be honest. The only reason Trump won is because she ran against Hilary. There are ideas, beliefs, concerns that are consistent among Trump and his voters but the vast majority were just voting "Not Hilary."
 
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Let's be honest. The only reason Trump won is because she ran against Hilary. There are ideas, beliefs, concerns that are consistent among Trump and his voters but the vast majority were just voting "Not Hilary."

Same thing could be said about Hillary voters. Even among my liberal friends, most of them were less than enthusiastic about voting for Hillary but every single one of them were voting "Not Trump".

Smug? I grew up in Trump land with a family of bikers and a single mom making just above minimum wage. I am the first one in my family without a criminal record, let alone a college degree. I understand the OP, but find his fear and outrage theatrical. He won't be discriminated for being from Idaho, as I wasn't from being from rural Indiana. Focus on real problems. This interviewer hurt his feelings. What does this have to do with Allopathic?

You'd be surprised how much people, even those in the highest levels of education, will stereotype you based on where you're geographically from. I met more than my fair share of people in grad school and beyond who were/are shocked by some of my views because they didn't line up with where I'm from (that included more than one professor).
 
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No, but the SJWs would have heart attacks and demand campus wide safe spaces.

You know that they're for diversity in everything except thought. And this coming from a Yellow Dog Democrat.


Could you actually get in trouble for wearing a MAGA shirt on their campuses?

To quote the learned Thoracic Guy:
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Because the overly-leftist slant in medical school is very much an allopathic (and surely osteopathic) school issue.
 
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Didn't make it past the first page - just wanted to throw out that in my extremely blue state, one of my attendings proudly declared himself a Trump supporter and made a joke about Hillary not breaking glass ceilings after seeing "ground glass" in a radiology report. It was a really corny/bad joke, the kind so bad that I still genuinely laughed after the awkward silence from how unfunny it was.
 
Didn't make it past the first page - just wanted to throw out that in my extremely blue state, one of my attendings proudly declared himself a Trump supporter and made a joke about Hillary not breaking glass ceilings after seeing "ground glass" in a radiology report. It was a really corny/bad joke, the kind so bad that I still genuinely laughed after the awkward silence from how unfunny it was.

That's actually pretty funny. Not the Hep B, but the joke.

Also our school's head of pathologist is extremely conservative. I still find half the things he says funny even when they're anti-liberal. Mostly because he's willing to be chill.
 
I would LOVE to see the reaction if you did that at UCSF or Yale!;)

They would probably hold petitions until I got kicked out of school hahaha
 
That's actually pretty funny. Not the Hep B, but the joke.

Also our school's head of pathologist is extremely conservative. I still find half the things he says funny even when they're anti-liberal. Mostly because he's willing to be chill.
yeah, it was one of those "so bad it's good" type of jokes. Attending was a phenomenal teacher and a nice guy.
 
Because the overly-leftist slant in medical school is very much an allopathic (and surely osteopathic) school issue. To be fair, though, the OP is pre-med so I would be fine with this thread being moved to pre-allo.

As a side note, your hilariously smug sense of superiority is the kind of attitude that gift wrapped and hand delivered the election to Donald Trump.

But can tiny hands unwrap it all?
 
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No, but the SJWs would have heart attacks and demand campus wide safe spaces.

You know that they're for diversity in everything except thought. And this coming from a Yellow Dog Democrat.




To quote the learned Thoracic Guy:
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Because the overly-leftist slant in medical school is very much an allopathic (and surely osteopathic) school issue.
This sounds different from how you usually approach the matter. Have a story from your school recently that you care to share? :corny:
 
This sounds different from how you usually approach the matter. Have a story from your school recently that you care to share? :corny:
Any mature individual sees it this way.

The whole world will not think alike, but SJW cannot wrap their minds around the idea that others have different ways of looking at the world. SJW demand that every construct of society abide to their whim to a tee. I'm all for censoring pornography and video of public executions from being shown on kids' cartoons as any normal person would. SJW aren't out looking to protect kids or society but are instead looking to mute anyone that has a differing viewpoint on legitimate topics.

The big difference is that if I hear someone spew off some rhetoric that I don't agree with, I can either have a civil discussion based on logic and facts (not feelings) with the utmost courtesy or I can go on my dandy-way and live my life. SJW infiltrate both med schools and college campuses.

The idea is that colleges should play a role in teaching people how to think--not what to think. Hearing other opinions should serve two purpoes: 1) either expose holes and irregularities in one's raitonale/logic or 2) solidify one's rationale because it stood the test of being challenged. SJW don't want to have a civil discussion that challenges them. Rather the whole world needs to pander and conform to these SJW or risk having one of their public, completely voluntarily-attended talks protested on a university campus. Individuals that so much as blow their noses the wrong way risk being inappropriately mislabeled by whatever the buzz word of the month is that ends in -ist or -phobe by these SJW.

SJW = coddled, anti-intellect

And before anyone on here tries to act like I'm some racist, back-woods patriarch, I have lived in one of the largest cities in the US my entire life. I attend med school in said city. Both of my parents immigrated to the US with their families when they were teens as well. I also didn't vote for Trump.
 
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I do have a story, but if I shared it, my students would recognize me immediately!
This sounds different from how you usually approach the matter. Have a story from your school recently that you care to share? :corny:


At the bottom of it, the anti-intellect (and anti-reason) aspect is spot on.

I implore all of you to remember Thomas Jefferson's words:

"for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

This quote appears under the dome of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, DC.

SJW = coddled, anti-intellect
 
Any mature individual sees it this way.

The whole world will not think alike, but SJW cannot wrap their minds around the idea that others have different ways of looking at the world. SJW demand that every construct of society abide to their whim to a tee. I'm all for censoring pornography and video of public executions from being shown on kids' cartoons as any normal person would. SJW aren't out looking to protect kids or society but are instead looking to mute anyone that has a differing viewpoint on legitimate topics.

Not surprisingly this generally a trait of both sides. Whether conscious or not people don't like hearing other people's view points if they contradict their own.

The big difference is that if I hear someone spew off some rhetoric that I don't agree with, I can either have a civil discussion based on logic and facts (not feelings) with the utmost courtesy or I can go on my dandy-way and live my life. SJW infiltrate both med schools and college campuses.

Our conversation seemed to show you're far more emotionally driven than otherwise. Which is fine, emotions are despite their bad rep one of the methods of relating to and understanding people. But lets also not presenting yourself as a paragon of logic or courtesy and then proceeding to follow it up with something that is neither.

The idea is that colleges should play a role in teaching people how to think--not what to think. Hearing other opinions should serve two purpoes: 1) either expose holes and irregularities in one's raitonale/logic or 2) solidify one's rationale because it stood the test of being challenged. SJW don't want to have a civil discussion that challenges them. Rather the whole world needs to pander and conform to these SJW or risk having one of their public, completely voluntarily-attended talks protested on a university campus. Individuals that so much as blow their noses the wrong way risk being inappropriately mislabeled by whatever the buzz word of the month is that ends in -ist or -phobe by these SJW.

Yes. There's however a difference in debating whether someone is hurt or not. There's a difference likewise in the approach and in the expectation. When someone is hurt, you ask and figure out why they're hurt. You listen to their perspective and their stories.

I've seen people gang up on a survivor of sexual and domestic violence who was claiming that rape jokes and the like help lessen the seriousness of rape and be told to suck it up, that it's a joke, and to pull themselves up by their boot straps.


Personally I think there's an interesting story behind every human being. Listening to them speak and hearing them out is something we can do. However it's also a respect that you can lose. You either respect a person's story and their experience as having some validity or you don't have a conversation. You cannot start a conversation with someone who is a victim of racism for example, but claiming that they are not or that their experience isn't valid.

SJW = coddled, anti-intellect

Maybe? It's not exactly an exclusive audience. Some SJWs, which I nickname Tumblr Warriors, do it wrong and are pretty dumb. But many people work and address major issues in our society. And as a physician, social justice is one of our major considerations.

And before anyone on here tries to act like I'm some racist, back-woods patriarch, I have lived in one of the largest cities in the US my entire life. I attend med school in said city. Both of my parents immigrated to the US with their families when they were teens as well. I also didn't vote for Trump.

I don't think you need to be any of those things. I'm also not saying you're racist. All I can recommend is that next time you debate, be respectful of other's experiences and do not enter a conversation with the notion of invalidating those experiences.
 
I do have a story, but if I shared it, my students would recognize me immediately!



At the bottom of it, the anti-intellect (and anti-reason) aspect is spot on.

I implore all of you to remember Thomas Jefferson's words:

"for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

This quote appears under the dome of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, DC.

SJW = coddled, anti-intellect

Goro, what are you doing quoting that man???!?!?!??!?!

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Considering your doctor shortage, your Medicaid reimbursement problems and your harassment of doctors by legislators and acceptance and promotion if NDs, maybe you need outsiders. Indiana Dunes are breathtaking too, but it doesn't help healthcare in my state.
Easy, champ :D Just meant to point out that Idaho has a lot to offer as a state. Unfortunately, the issues you mention are not unique to Idaho (though to be honest - assuming you meant NP's rather than ND's - I don't really have a problem with that).
 
Excuse me ignorance but:

1. What is a SJW? Is that just code for minorities? Leftsist tree-huggers perhaps? Lol
2. What are some of the issues being discussed that are anti-logic or anti-reason?
3. Are they shoving these issues down other people's throats or do they just want people to listen to them without automatic eye-rolling and resistance?

P.S. Just got into med schools in very conservative states. At both interviews politics came up during discussion with no hostility. Although both interviews were pre-election..
 
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Thank you for your comment, I appreciate your honesty. I had hoped this childishness would have ended in my undergraduate - guess its time for real me to go back in the closet, once again.

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I'm just impressed you took the time to write out all those brackets...
 
What does this:

Are medical school professors really catering to this bull going on at most American universities with its grievance and victimhood cultures? I feel like that is the absolute last thing we need to be teaching our student doctors - imagine your doctor telling you that you are fine just the way you are when you are 45 pounds overweight. God save America and its terribly unhealthy populace if doctors fear facing lawsuits for telling their patients that their lifestyle may lead to their early death. Someone tell me it ain't so.

Have to do with this?

I know political discussions are usually not encouraged on this forum. I understand why, and it is not my intention to start a flamewar. However... I recently got done with an interview at a school I will not name and my interviewer was acting plain unprofessional regarding my home state of Idaho (one of the overwhelmingly red states outside of the south) during the interview. At one point the professor made a random comment about making a bet, but "the last time he bet was on the election, and he lost money on that one!" When I got up to leave he said, "Tell all my friends in Idaho I said hi, there wont be many". I almost want to call the school and tell them. If I were black and from Washington and a professor said that to me I may likely have grounds to get them fired - especially in today's climate.
 
a SJW is a social justice warrior - they are members of the PTG (Participation Trophy Generation). If you encounter one on the street you will wish you were in a tree house filled with leftist tree-huggers. They're that bad.

When you start using acronyms to shorten the labels you have given to others you may want to consider whether you are prone to rapidly jumping to conclusions about people based on a small sampling of their views and/or beliefs.
 
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OP, your problem is that you are too rigid and dogmatic about your personal views.

Even if I was the most ardent Trump fan, I would have taken "the insults" you described here as an opportunity. This is him indirectly giving you hints on places to build rapport. Treading carefully and using humor to gently poke fun at the things he laughs at is a no brainer. Who cares what you believe in. Your job is to show that you are flexible and able to get along with others. Doesn't mean you have to lie but any political position has shortcomings that can be acknowledged by most reasonable people.

In my 3rd year Clerkships I worked with attendings, sometimes on the exact same day, with completely opposite beliefs who were pretty vocal about it and frequently asked my opinion. Guess what? It went great. Moreover, this is preferable to a situation when you can't read someone you work with at all because they don't share their honest thoughts. It's like talking to a wall without knowing whether they actually are "feeling you" or thinking you are a complete *****.

That said, if you hear something clearly offensive, reporting that person is a right thing to do.


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Easy, champ :D Just meant to point out that Idaho has a lot to offer as a state. Unfortunately, the issues you mention are not unique to Idaho (though to be honest - assuming you meant NP's rather than ND's - I don't really have a problem with that).
Nope, naturopathic docs.
 
Honestly, what happened to me is WAY more discriminatory. You didn't even have a physical sense to back up your baseless claim!
Aaaaaannnnddd this is the point I stopped reading. Of course you face more discrimination for being a white conservative than a black human being.
This is why people roll their eyes at conservatism. If people would stop making outlandish comments like this it could be taken more seriously.

And for someone who hates whiny victimized people, you sure are whiny and victimized.
 
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OP, don't worry. Much like the catepillar metamorphosizes into a beautiful butterfly, most of your classmates will eventually grow up, mature, and understand what it means to be an adult in this world and their views/opinions will swing much more toward the center/right.

The others will remain in the liberal circlejerk that is academics.

Because the overly-leftist slant in medical school is very much an allopathic (and surely osteopathic) school issue. To be fair, though, the OP is pre-med so I would be fine with this thread being moved to pre-allo.

As a side note, your hilariously smug sense of superiority is the kind of attitude that gift wrapped and hand delivered the election to Donald Trump.

And at what stage of the maturation process does the beautiful butterfly loose it's smug sense of superiority?
 
....does everyone here thinks PC means democrat? People keep saying their school is so PC...then go on to describe very un-PC actions. Making remarks that would offend people of certain political affiliations is the opposite of politically correct.

Being anti-Trump in academic settings most certainly is virtue-signaling political correctness.
 
The realization that medical school is no different than my undergraduate is the real concern. Forget my experience.
No one gives a **** about your concerns. For someone talking about PC culture, you whine a lot. I just got off a rotation where I was in BFE and patients were being openly racist. But I didn't complain to my administration or preceptor. I moved on with my life and tried to learn while I was there. You need to grow some thicker skin to be in this profession.
 
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No one gives a **** about your concerns. For someone talking about PC culture, you whine a lot. I just got off a rotation where I was in BFE and patients were being openly racist. But I didn't complain to my administration or preceptor. I moved on with my life and tried to learn while I was there. You need to grow some thicker skin to be in this profession.

One of my psych patients repeatedly called me a female dog-N word with a hard R whenever I didn't immediately capitulate to one of his demands - and this hospital is in a very blue area.
 
If there's one thing I've learned about the dozens of incidents over the past few months that were discovered to be hoaxes, it's to not put too much stock into reported anecdotes without accompanying proof.
 
At one point the professor made a random comment about making a bet, but "the last time he bet was on the election, and he lost money on that one!" When I got up to leave he said, "Tell all my friends in Idaho I said hi, there wont be many".

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Yeah... what a terrible place Idaho is ;)

So, you were the only one of us actually at this interview, so maybe my issue is with how you transcribed it. I also don't know much about Idaho besides the above photo. I can only assume the same of the interviewer. I read the bolded as a crack at a smaller population size? "There won't be many" because "nobody lives there" vs "it's a red state". I'm from a very empty state myself, and people made jokes about how few people live there all the time.

If it makes you feel any better, I have had conservatives physicians for many of my rotations who also didn't mind speaking about politics as if everyone in the room agreed with them. Can't really let that stuff bother you either way. And when we discussed public health in our class, only one person bothered bringing up single payer and the rest of the class booed him... Like I said, can't really take that stuff personally.
 
OP I have no idea what your story is about. The guy said he made a bet about something? And it was personally insulting to you somehow?

Premeds need to stop being so sensitive.
 
So, you were the only one of us actually at this interview, so maybe my issue is with how you transcribed it. I also don't know much about Idaho besides the above photo. I can only assume the same of the interviewer. I read the bolded as a crack at a smaller population size? "There won't be many" because "nobody lives there" vs "it's a red state". I'm from a very empty state myself, and people made jokes about how few people live there all the time.

If it makes you feel any better, I have had conservatives physicians for many of my rotations who also didn't mind speaking about politics as if everyone in the room agreed with them. Can't really let that stuff bother you either way. And when we discussed public health in our class, only one person bothered bringing up single payer and the rest of the class booed him... Like I said, can't really take that stuff personally.
Or depending on where this took place and what schools the prof went to, it might just be literally that the professor doesn't know anyone in Idaho. How many conservatives who spent their whole lives in the bible belt have lots of friends in Idaho?
 
I see now that my writing was not very concise and I am disappointed by that. Unfortunately it seems that it only reached out to people who know what I am talking about, and therefore do not need the message delivered. If you do not understand please spend some time researching. Movements are changing rapidly and you may be alarmed at the coming changes to ideologies you believe you are involved in and opposed to.

As a reminder, this post was intended to identify the political climate of medical schools. The reason for my story was to provide insight into my question, and my last paragraph was to garner an audience - which appears to have worked! Lastly to those claiming I am a whiner, and I've said this multiple times it just seems to dodge the quotes, I only feel so inclined to tell the story because this is an individual who holds a lot of sway in my future (the 1 of 2 interviewers at my interview). Were it a random individual I would do what any responsible adult should and shrug it off.

With advances in the internet and social media our world is becoming a more enlightening place for some, and an even more obscure one for others. I'm sure many who do not understand the gravity of what this topic entails will pity my "ignorant" viewpoints, but save your pity - one day, if this mindset continues, this entire nation might actually need some.

Thanks for the discussions!:hello:
 
Just think about how you felt after this interview and imagine if the words "Conservative Trump Supporter" were written all over your skin such that no matter how you dressed, how you behaved, what you said, how you spoke, how well you came across etc, people always knew you were a "Conservative Trump Supporter" the moment they saw you. Maybe your parents are really proud of their conservative, Trump supporting background so your name is actually "Osteopathy Conservative Trump Supporter Blues" such that every application or resume or email you send out immediately identifies you to the recipient as a "Conservative Trump Supporter." You have no idea how many people think/feel like that interviewer does, but yes, the majority in medical school are not "Conservative Trump Supporters." Some people are very explicit about their hatred of "Conservative Trump Supporters," some won't say anything negative about "Conservative Trump Supporters" to your face or even to anyone in public but privately they hate "Conservative Trump Supporters", others might think they don't hate "Conservative Trump Supporters" but their parents and where they grew up taught them to hate "Conservative Trump Supporters" so they unconsciously judge you more harshly than others just because you're a "Conservative Trump Supporter." You'll probably even encounter a superior who cracks jokes to you about how stupid "Conservative Trump Supporters" are, but it's cool - his friend is a "Conservative Trump Supporter" so it's all in good fun. Why can't you lighten up a little, it's not a joke about you you're not like those other "Conservative Trump Supporters."

Sounds absolutely horrible, doesn't it? Thank god that kind of stuff doesn't happen to anyone in this country.
 
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