Army AMEDD Captain's Career Course (3 week version)

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I just arrived in San Antonio for the new 3 week version of CCC. I'll try to post every day or two if possible.

To answer some questions, the three week version is supposed to better emulate the nine week, in order to be TRADOC compliant. The idea is that this will become a monthly offering so that Captains can actually do it during residency years as an elective.

Day 1- Arrive JBSA (Ft. Sam Houston) between 0900-1600, earlier the better so as to be roomed at the new Candlewood Suites on post. Evidently the course has been held at various locations on and off post in the past, with some classes sharing dorm or hotel rooms. I got here at 11:30, checked in with the cadre in the lobby, and received a room with a single queen bed. I only brought one copy of my orders, having sent in my cyber awareness, Phase 1 completion cert, and other forms already. Given a map of the base and told to report at the helicopter at 0445 tomorrow in PTs for weigh in, then cut loose for the day.

Day 2- Report to the helicopter at 0445 in PTs with set of ACUs in a bag, line up roughly alphabetically, then go upstairs in the big AMEDD classroom building to the top floor for height/weight, scan CAC card, and enter contact info into an excel spreadheet. Cut loose until 0900, so really no need to bring the ACUs/boots. Report to large auditorium on first floor at 0900 for several in-briefs, mostly about off-limits businesses and how to do a proper push-up (lots of failures in the past, evidently). Stop at 1100, report back at 1300 for small group assignments in top floor classrooms. Given folder of some reading material and brief introductory lectures. Stopped mid-afternoon and sent home/hotel to prepare for APFT and read in preparation for the next day.

Day 3- Report to PT field at 0445, start APFT at 0500. Grading typical, not too rigorous despite all the warnings. Finish APFT around 0630, sent back to hotel to shower and report to class between 0800 and 0900 depending which small group you're in. Several lectures on leadership, influence, etc, then break for lunch. A few more hours of the same in the afternoon, then sent home to read.

Day 4- Class from 0830-1530 or so, learning structure of units, command climate, and mission command.

Day 5- Surprise 4 mile fun run at 0445. Then class from 0830-noon on company level training and property management. Afternoon lectures on UCMJ and jag duties.

Day 6 (Saturday)- How to write OERs and NCOERs. Afternoon gathering in the big auditorium to watch a movie about patient safety and talk about how TSG's goal is to transform us into a "high reliability organization". They asked for feedback from the crowd, and it turned into a 90 minute gripe session on funding, inane taskings, etc. They dismissed us out of frustration.

Day 7- No class, self study and complete more online training.

Day 8- Operational terms and military symbols (the little rectangles that represent units on a map), structure of the brigade combat team.

Day 9- Intro to MDMP (Google it, too complex to explain here). Decipher an OPORD and prepare to brief it back as a group, detailing the medical portion of the mission.

Day 10- Course of action development and "wargaming" (brainstorming how to accomplish our mission despite bad weather, broken coms, or other issues that might occur)

Day 11- COA analysis and discussion. Afternoon lectures in Blesse auditorium.

Day 12- 0800 lecture from MG Jones, likely next Surg General. Irrelevant discussion of his career path, little info on future direction of medcom. Some talk of safety and excellence initiatives, but no mention of where the manpower or funding for the extra work involved will come from. Invited applause from Kool-Aid drinkers at the end. Follow-on lecture from an Army Baylor grad on business case analysis- you have to use the financial analysis tools provided to decide if adding a step-down unit to an AMEDD hospital will be profitable, and if so, over what time. Conduct the BCA in the classroom that afternoon.

Day 13- Individual lectures on different topics, given by class members. You can use old lectures as a template.

Day 14- Self study, complete online modules.

Day 15- Make-up/retake APFT at 0530 for late arrivals or failures. 0800 report for all others for day 1 of leadership seminar (tips on how to be an effective leader that could easily and more effectively be compressed into a 15 minute lecture, but instead lasts two days) given by elderly retired line officers who think we're still in the Vietnam era Army of mustaches, cigarettes, and after-hours camaraderie at the O Club.

Day 16- round two of leadership seminar. The wheels essentially came off due to inapplicability of the subject matter (we cannot choose who we work with, and cannot fire the bad ones/retain the good ones), and the class revolted. Flame battles ensued between dull-eyed lifers and those not clawing for admin positions.

Day 17- Lectures on how to work with civilians. Actually very informative and helpful for field grades working in section/clinic chief positions.

Day 18- Lectures from AMEDD branch and others on direction of Army medicine (everyone will do a two year brigade surgeon stint, no matter number or recency of deployments), specialists can eat it, no one cares about skill attrition, we exist to serve the line, it's your job to retrain yourself afterwards, hooah.

Day 19- Graduation rehearsal for three hours, followed by 20 minute graduation. Got to get the Army song just right, his excellency the general will be there!

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The official version is that 2014 was the last 2-3 week one.

My only regret is that 2015 CCC will be the last one that I will get to refuse to attend.

They say that nonsense every year but (amazingly) there is always a 2-3 week course for physicians. I think they realize that if they make physicians go to the normal 9 week course, hardly anyone will attend and they'll be stuck with a bunch of 04s. MEDCOM and promotion boards have already made it clear that they will not promote anybody to 05 without having taken the CCC so they have essentially backed themselves into a corner.

BTW, I applaud you turning down the CCC. I did the same thing for 2 straight years. I was "highly encouraged" by my command to attend but told them flat out that I was gone at the end of my initial ADSO and 2 weeks with my family was worth more than leaving the military as a LTC rather than a MAJ. I missed out on the extra $300-400 I would have received as a LTC for 6 weeks after my promotion but made that up 10-fold by moonlighting an extra weekend (pretty sad description on the state of military physician pay).

Best of luck to you on the other side - the grass definitely is greener.
 
They say that nonsense every year but (amazingly) there is always a 2-3 week course for physicians. I think they realize that if they make physicians go to the normal 9 week course, hardly anyone will attend and they'll be stuck with a bunch of 04s. MEDCOM and promotion boards have already made it clear that they will not promote anybody to 05 without having taken the CCC so they have essentially backed themselves into a corner.

BTW, I applaud you turning down the CCC. I did the same thing for 2 straight years. I was "highly encouraged" by my command to attend but told them flat out that I was gone at the end of my initial ADSO and 2 weeks with my family was worth more than leaving the military as a LTC rather than a MAJ. I missed out on the extra $300-400 I would have received as a LTC for 6 weeks after my promotion but made that up 10-fold by moonlighting an extra weekend (pretty sad description on the state of military physician pay).

Best of luck to you on the other side - the grass definitely is greener.

My best guess is that they will make CCC a requirement via the HPSP contract. How they will deal with the current holdouts? Not sure, particularly as CCC incurs an ADSO. For me, I was told that lack of CCC would have grave implications for my military career.

Bragg, huh? I almost ended up there.
 
9 weeks is not bad option if you just want to get away from a bad command for while...I think it is a good option for career minded medical officers who are not particularly interested in practicing clinical medicine and they have a good shot of making to O5/O6 by playing the game
 
I am still applying to medical school, but I am a post-company command captain. I already went to the Maneuver Career Course, would I have to go the AMEDD career course after residency? I'd rather use the three weeks to go to jumpmaster school anyway.
 
I am still applying to medical school, but I am a post-company command captain. I already went to the Maneuver Career Course, would I have to go the AMEDD career course after residency? I'd rather use the three weeks to go to jumpmaster school anyway.
Nope, your box is checked! Just make sure it shows up on your ORB.
 
I am still applying to medical school, but I am a post-company command captain. I already went to the Maneuver Career Course, would I have to go the AMEDD career course after residency? I'd rather use the three weeks to go to jumpmaster school anyway.

...good luck getting residency or staff command to approve JM. Your best bet is to try to get into an airborne unit post residency where it is encouraged.
 
Do we know when the course dates are for CCC during 2015?

i have my own spy at the current re-vmped iteration. we only had an essay last year, this year there are all kinds of good idea fairy features. supposedly they are going to try to move this new 19 day thing to a more frequent schedule (maybe monthly?) with few slots (20's). at least that's a rumor i heard from my spy.

--your friendly neighborhood proud CCC 2014 graduate caveman
 
i have my own spy at the current re-vmped iteration. we only had an essay last year, this year there are all kinds of good idea fairy features. supposedly they are going to try to move this new 19 day thing to a more frequent schedule (maybe monthly?) with few slots (20's). at least that's a rumor i heard from my spy.

--your friendly neighborhood proud CCC 2014 graduate caveman
What's the topic of the essay? How to write the best resignation letter?
 
What's the topic of the essay? How to write the best resignation letter?

"do the military leadership principles apply to military physicians?" or some BS like that. the topics for the essays this iteration are as bad and have a similar bent. do they apply? yeah, probably. are they applied (which is not what they ask and is the better question to answer)? no. i think one for this time is if you can be a professional officer and professional doctor at the same time-- or something like that.

the essay assignemnt was typical military-- had to be 5 paragraphs- intro, 3 supporting paragraphs, conclusion that restated the claim. and i think 3 sources cited in "tarabian." it was like 7th grade english all over again.

--your friendly neighborhood hemmingway caveman
 
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"do the military leadership principles apply to military physicians?" or some BS like that. the topics for the essays this iteration are as bad and have a similar bent. do they apply? yeah, probably. are they applied (which is not what they ask and is the better question to answer)? no. i think one for this time is if you can be a professional officer and professional doctor at the same time-- or something like that.

the essay assignemnt was typical military-- had to be 5 paragraphs- intro, 3 supporting paragraphs, conclusion that restated the claim. and i think 3 sources cited in "tarabian." it was like 7th grade english all over again.

--your friendly neighborhood hemmingway caveman

What happens if you write a lousy essay? Do you get detention? Does anyone fail this course? Just morbidly curious.
 
i have my own spy at the current re-vmped iteration. we only had an essay last year, this year there are all kinds of good idea fairy features. supposedly they are going to try to move this new 19 day thing to a more frequent schedule (maybe monthly?) with few slots (20's). at least that's a rumor i heard from my spy.

--your friendly neighborhood proud CCC 2014 graduate caveman

17 plus trillion in debt and this is what they force physicians from all over the country to fly in and do? Yet they won't pay for one yearly CME course? The absolute stupidity of the army never ceases to amaze me. Do they still broadcast those "fleecing of America" segments on the nightly news? MEDCOM has turned into a complete joke.
 
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What happens if you write a lousy essay? Do you get detention? Does anyone fail this course? Just morbidly curious.

well, the rumor last year was that someone wrote an essay about elves and snowflakes and santa or something. seriously. and no one in our class failed due to the essay, sooooo . . . . yeah, i don't think anyone fails.

they have a vested interest in you passing. because if you fail, it reflects poorly on the instructors, and that reflects poorly on the command, and... well, it's a total waste of time. except for hanging out and venting with other people and comparing horror stories, it's about as "check the box" as you can get without physically signing in, checking a box, then leaving.

-- your friendly neighborhood edgar allen poe caveman
 
*unless* you fail the APFT or weight in. then they send a letter to the first general officer in your chain of command.

i think we had 1 PT failure, but i'm not sure.

--your friendly neighborhood mark twain caveman
 
"do the military leadership principles apply to military physicians?" or some BS like that. the topics for the essays this iteration are as bad and have a similar bent. do they apply? yeah, probably. are they applied (which is not what they ask and is the better question to answer)? no. i think one for this time is if you can be a professional officer and professional doctor at the same time-- or something like that.

Holy crap! That is some Grade A, super-sweet passive-aggressive Kool Aid right there.
 
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Thanks, really appreciate it! Wouldn't have blamed you if you gave up the idea, the last thing I'd want to do at the end of the day is think about it.
 
Ive had the opposite experience from command about CCC. Im trying to get them to let me go and Unit says yes...MEDCOM says no. Then everything stalls and nothing happens. I ask again and they're like maybe this year we'll talk about it later. So frustrating...id just like to get the stupid thing out of the way...
 
Ive had the opposite experience from command about CCC. Im trying to get them to let me go and Unit says yes...MEDCOM says no. Then everything stalls and nothing happens. I ask again and they're like maybe this year we'll talk about it later. So frustrating...id just like to get the stupid thing out of the way...

unless you're a MAJ they probably aren't interested. they still have a backlog of MAJs to get through.

i'm anxious to hear an update-- they're on the home stretch now...

--your friendly neighborhood "you just do what you do... do what you do..." caveman
 
Ive had the opposite experience from command about CCC. Im trying to get them to let me go and Unit says yes...MEDCOM says no. Then everything stalls and nothing happens. I ask again and they're like maybe this year we'll talk about it later. So frustrating...id just like to get the stupid thing out of the way...

To add to what our caveman said, if you're a resident - as your status indicates - then there are time away from service considerations as well. I have known residents to be allowed to attend, but they were already located at FSH and they were majors. Also, that was the 2-week, not the 3-week, version.
 
gotta finish your review! sounds like this will be the new model for awhile.

at least until the next person takes over, lol

--your friendly neighborhood can't wait for the update caveman
 
Updated/completed. Got sent to jump school almost immediately after, and couldn't get back to finish.
 
This is probably one of the best threads on here for current physicians in the Army. Kudos for posting the full review.

And....that course sounds terrible. Glad I'm Navy :)
 
I think most people would still... jump at the chance...

3 1/2 weeks (+/-) of getting screamed at, marched around, forced to run everywhere you go (even to the latrine...with your battle buddy), and 18-20 hour days of intense physical activity in inclement weather? Nah man. They wouldn't jump if they knew what they were getting into.
 
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i have my own spy at the current re-vmped iteration. we only had an essay last year, this year there are all kinds of good idea fairy features. supposedly they are going to try to move this new 19 day thing to a more frequent schedule (maybe monthly?) with few slots (20's). at least that's a rumor i heard from my spy.

--your friendly neighborhood proud CCC 2014 graduate caveman

The prelim poop

TENTATIVE dates for the 3 week CCC courses proposed for this year.
Projected Dates are as follows:

Class No. Report Start End
15-152 12 Apr 15 13 Apr 15 1 May 15
15-153 3 May 15 4 May 15 22 May 15
15-154 31 May 15 1 Jun 15 19 Jun 15
15-155 12 Jul 15 13 Jul 15 31 Jul 15
15-156 9 Aug 15 10 Aug 15 28 Aug 15
15-157 7 Sep 15 8 Sep 15 26 Sep 15
 
so many decembers needlessly ruined. maybe ILE will turn into this, too....

--your friendly neighborhood stickifying caveman

Just refuse to go. You will be passed over for LTC (blessing as you won't be tagged for any deployed 9-month clinical skills-killing DCCS positions). After 2 pass-overs, you should be booted out based on recent guidelines. These were implemented by big army to comply with sequester-mandated end-strength of 420K soldiers.
 
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Just refuse to go. You will be passed over for LTC (blessing as you won't be tagged for any deployed 9-month clinical skills-killing DCCS positions). After 2 pass-overs, you should be booted out based on recent guidelines. These were implemented by big army to comply with sequester-mandated end-strength of 420K soldiers.
Would this be the case for 03 to 04 as well? Promotion to major is supposedly automatic but say you fail APFT or get a referred OER or something like that which would cause you to get passed over, would they separate you after two pass overs?
 
Just refuse to go. You will be passed over for LTC (blessing as you won't be tagged for any deployed 9-month clinical skills-killing DCCS positions). After 2 pass-overs, you should be booted out based on recent guidelines. These were implemented by big army to comply with sequester-mandated end-strength of 420K soldiers.
Do you get to refuse?
 
Would this be the case for 03 to 04 as well? Promotion to major is supposedly automatic but say you fail APFT or get a referred OER or something like that which would cause you to get passed over, would they separate you after two pass overs?

No, as you said promotion to 04 is automatic.

Do you get to refuse?

Yes, they cannot make you go. Your command might make your life "difficult" if you don't go, but F#$% them. Unless you are gunning for a 20-year career, who cares?

BTW, snow day (even in private practice) spent sledding with my kids while my buddy (in the same town still on active duty) was forced to come in on icy road by his command and is seeing patients. The one "perk" of military medicine (fewer hours and more holidays) doesn't seem to exist anymore.
 
I thought even O4 could be held up by PFA failures?

BTW, snow day (even in private practice) spent sledding with my kids while my buddy (in the same town still on active duty) was forced to come in on icy road by his command and is seeing patients. The one "perk" of military medicine (fewer hours and more holidays) doesn't seem to exist anymore.

We were shut down all of Tues and Wed. If anything, my experience has been that the Navy shuts down everything too easily.
 
I wish it was still mustaches and cigarettes in the o club after work
 
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My tax dollars hard at work. Except for the PFT, which can be done at the parent unit, what of this could not be done via AKO? All of this should be CBT and save the travel $$$. 5 paragraph order? That's hip pocket kid stuff. Way to treat physicians like PFC's.

Sounds bush league and boot as hell.
 
Scheduled myself to go to the three week course this June. Transitional intern heading off to GMO. Basically got told to go to this course since I have time prior to report date, and I owe 7 years anyway, so I won't incur any extra time. Thanks for posting the schedule above. I'll give updates if people are interested
 
Scheduled myself to go to the three week course this June. Transitional intern heading off to GMO. Basically got told to go to this course since I have time prior to report date, and I owe 7 years anyway, so I won't incur any extra time. Thanks for posting the schedule above. I'll give updates if people are interested


How did you get it set up? I'm trying to go this August
 
How did you get it set up? I'm trying to go this August
Look at ATRRS for the course you'd like to attend. You'll have to contact your HRC assignments officer to get yourself into the class. If it's TDY en route, then HRC may be the only person you have to talk to. Otherwise, you'll need to talk to your current command to see whether they support you leaving during your preferred time. They have a 3wk course each month during FY16. I don't think the FY17 class dates will be posted until the end of the summer. I just went and they are trying to make the 3wk course a continuing thing, but as always it's on an ongoing "temporary" status.
 
That post was a year ago. Hopefully he's figured it out by now.
 
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