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2016-2017 Oakland University (Beaumont) Application Thread
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Grandma said " an watched pot never boils", I say it boils and evaporated now. Good Bye OUWB !
Intriguing things about OUWB, all my 6 friends with Lizzy M > 72 with MCAT > 33 (513) got rejected pre-interview.
Intriguing things about OUWB, all my 6 friends with Lizzy M > 72 with MCAT > 33 (513) got rejected pre-interview.
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Well, all those friends are hard working, a few good pre-meds with nice personality, far far from "plugs".
I am saying about the facts happened, however, it shall not be interpreted as generalization. We all need to respect each school's selection rules, also mutual respect is the necessary and the basic virtue among the peer colleagues as well, especially here in the same boat.
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I am accepted to OUWB and am 99% sure I will attend there in the fall. With that said, my credentials are very similar to those you are mentioning that didn't get an interview: My GPA is 3.85+ (4.0 BPCM), 90%+ MCAT, multiple degrees including professional degree (top 5% of class in graduate school), good extra-curriculars, minor research (research is what I would consider my "weakness" on my application). So I don't think OUWB is avoiding/afraid of students with similar statistics. The one thing I learned in this process is that medical school admissions is a black-box. Admissions work in mysterious ways.
Edit: Also, I may or may not be a "plug" - depends who you ask.
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Congrats, and concede ! also I can't agree with you more about "Black box", only authorities can decode it....
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Congrats, and concede ! also I can't agree with you more about "Black box", only authorities can decode it....
Thanks! This whole application process has been crazy. I've been rejected pre-II from "safety" schools (some of which I was actually really interested in attending for personal reasons), while watching students with what objectively looked like lower credentials getting interviews and acceptances. I have also interviewed at "reach" schools while I have seen students that are objectively more qualified being rejected pre-II.
What this has taught me is that what I consider objective is clearly subjective to the admission committees.
Also, with respect to OUWB, I think their mission/vision/goals make them much more subjective/holistic than the majority of schools (which can be viewed as even more confusing when looking at "objective" standards).
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I think it's quite the coincidence actually. When I ha my interview, there was a group of like 8 MS1s. And they mentioned that all of them had a LizzyM of 72 or more when they applied. I thought it was kind of wrong for them to say that on interview day, but it does show that Oakland takes the high scorers too.
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I have a LizzyM >72 with similar MCAT credentials to what you just listed-and I got in. OUWB is about holistic review; that means numbers matter but they are not everything-the entire application set is what matters. So I don't think OUWB necessarily rejected anyone just because they happened to have high scores.
That said, I really hope that your friends were able to gain admission into a medical school somewhere!
I know first hand the stress of the admissions process/waiting game and wish them all the bestMarch 31 and April 1, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is it
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This is correct.
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Considering its so soon it would be wonderful if they could maybe email us with dates and times...
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I am accepted to OUWB and am 99% sure I will attend there in the fall. With that said, my credentials are very similar to those you are mentioning that didn't get an interview: My GPA is 3.85+ (4.0 BPCM), 90%+ MCAT, multiple degrees including professional degree (top 5% of class in graduate school), good extra-curriculars, minor research (research is what I would consider my "weakness" on my application). So I don't think OUWB is avoiding/afraid of students with similar statistics. The one thing I learned in this process is that medical school admissions is a black-box. Admissions work in mysterious ways.
Edit: Also, I may or may not be a "plug" - depends who you ask.
Did you get a scholarship?
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Being an M2 and probably in step1 study mode, how well do you feel lectures prepared you for step content?
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Is OUWB done giving out II's?
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When did you interview?Officially lost hope! Another meeting and no call yet. Looks like I am going to have to take a gap year!
1/13. I know that some people got acceptances 2 and even 3 months after their interview, but I mean there are only 2 meetings left...
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nope me as well and I interviewed a week before you
nope me as well and I interviewed a week before you
Aw man. I hope we both get accepted, I really do!
Do you think we still have hope?
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I know!! I wish you all the best! I really hope so! It's not over until its overAw man. I hope we both get accepted, I really do!
I know its more stressful since its nearing the end of interviews, but there is definitely still hope! Would be nice to hear back soon though- Joined
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Aw man. I hope we both get accepted, I really do!
The twitter page announced that they had finished reviews for 1/26 and 2/3. Had made all the calls. Since someone on this thread who was interviewed on 2/17 already got in, I guess they were able to review some from that day too. In any case, I'm still hoping. OUWB is such an amazing school. Good luck to everyone!
Well, I interviewed 1/13 so they already reviewed apps from my interview date lol. When did you interview? Oh and good luck to you too
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Somewhat peculiar that there has been no mention of 2/10 interviews either on twitter or being accepted on this thread.
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I think that just means they have not gotten to it. Or completed it. The Twitter acc didn't mention that date.
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Oh wow. Didn't mean to be so flippant. I thought not having a reply (accepted, rejected or waitlisted) right away is not necessarily a bad thing. That you're still being reviewed. But I could be mixing up this info from other schools. Someone here can correct me. The waiting game is painful!Well, I interviewed 1/13 so they already reviewed apps from my interview date lol. When did you interview? Oh and good luck to you too
True. It is better than being waitlisted or rejected. But still not as good as an acceptance haha
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Lol I totally agree.
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Right - but apparently someone from 2/17 was accepted. Maybe they have some sort of process with certain applications (e.g the one in this thread from 2/17) that causes them to be reviewed sooner. @aroo486 anything to add? Did you receive a scholarship by chance?
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Just curious how difficult it is to receive certain percentages in each pre-clinical class (i.e., 90% or 70%). I know this is somewhat subjective, depending on the student and the class/subject, but I was curious if people struggle to get 70% or it its manageable if you take your studies seriously. Also, is 90% manageable, or does that come down to getting lucky on some exams? Thanks for the info!
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Sorry about that man. I hope you get an acceptance from somewhere else.... I interviewed on the same day and have not heard anything back yet. When did they email you?
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It may have already been discussed here, but how rough is the mandatory attendance at OUWB?
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Got the e-mail last Wednesday 3/1. I'm sitting on a few acceptances so it's not the end of the world, and I think you'll have a good shot of getting in since they haven't rejected you so far.
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Hey everyone! I'm posting the following on behalf of a friend who is currently a medical student here. It's simply a different perspective on some topics discussed in this thread
- Pre-clinical grades may not matter a whole heck of a lot, but class rank does. If you do not comply with the 70% attendance requirement, you are ineligible for honors and your class rank will suffer.
- The 70% attendance requirement coupled with the incredibly poor scheduling of classes certainly can feel oppressive. Most days, we are on campus from 8am-4pm. Sure, there's a 2 hour lunch break, but that's not enough time to actually sit down and power through material. So, 4-5 days a week, you're only getting a few hours of studying in versus med students at other schools who have most of the day every day.
- The over scheduling of students has affected the morale of our class. We don't have as much time take care of ourselves (focus on "wellness") as we should, because we sit in lecture all day then try and actually learn the material all evening.
- The M1 class lost 7 (!!) students after the first semester. That's an abnormally high percentage and as far as I know, the administration has not taken any measures to check in with that class to see what's working and what isn't to try and improve.
Don't get me wrong, we have some very supportive deans and faculty who really, really care about students. But, there seems to be a disconnect between the students and those making the policies that affect them.
- Pre-clinical grades may not matter a whole heck of a lot, but class rank does. If you do not comply with the 70% attendance requirement, you are ineligible for honors and your class rank will suffer.
- The 70% attendance requirement coupled with the incredibly poor scheduling of classes certainly can feel oppressive. Most days, we are on campus from 8am-4pm. Sure, there's a 2 hour lunch break, but that's not enough time to actually sit down and power through material. So, 4-5 days a week, you're only getting a few hours of studying in versus med students at other schools who have most of the day every day.
- The over scheduling of students has affected the morale of our class. We don't have as much time take care of ourselves (focus on "wellness") as we should, because we sit in lecture all day then try and actually learn the material all evening.
- The M1 class lost 7 (!!) students after the first semester. That's an abnormally high percentage and as far as I know, the administration has not taken any measures to check in with that class to see what's working and what isn't to try and improve.
Don't get me wrong, we have some very supportive deans and faculty who really, really care about students. But, there seems to be a disconnect between the students and those making the policies that affect them.
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Thank you for this post. It is great to hear the story from another perspective. In addition to the mandatory attendance and 8-4 class, I am also worried about the fact that with the added mandatory research and community involvement components, there would literally be no time left to take care of ourselves or even study the material sufficiently in preparation for exams and step 1. Any other current student feedback's welcome
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Hi everyone. Here are some more comments from friends who are medical students here to provide additional perspectives on the school.
Our school definitely encourages participation in the community experience of medical school. We treat each other like a family, and that feel comes in part from attending classes, to some degree. And if you anticipate that you are interested in a medical school experience that is largely self-directed, and would prefer to learn the material independently via pre-recorded lecture, this school is not a great fit for you.
That being said, there are times/courses that people prioritize learning at home vs. from class, and for those times, you do sacrifice the opportunity to earn an "honors" grade for the course, as that grade in part recognizes participation in class and the school community.
In my personal opinion, I found a 2-hour lunch break prime opportunity to work out (something I probably wouldn't have done otherwise), prepare for afternoon lectures, or review the morning lectures.
I'm unsure of the circumstances of the 7 departures from the m1 class; I would love to hear more about how their journeys led them away from medical school. But assuming that those decisions were for the best for them independently, I support them wholeheartedly.
Note regarding grades: for m1/2 years, yes [H/P/F]. m3/4 is different (and arguably more important)!
Regarding the class ranking system:
Ranking is something that unfortunately is required of all residency applicants. Each residency program can choose how they value class rank in their decision-making process, and in no way is obligated to share that algorithm with potential applicants. There is a document provided by the NRMP that surveys program directors in each specialty to talk about what they care about, but this data is aggregated, not school-specific (google "nrmp program director survey 2016"). So each school does this differently, with numeric ranking being the most "extreme" end of that spectrum.
OUWB is on the other end, where we only rank people into quartiles. Very minimal. I have never witnessed a student deliberately sabotaging another for the sake of quartile ranking. I would recommend again, that if that is how you anticipate going forward in medicine, this school will not be a good fit for you. Additionally, you may find that this attitude brings about trouble for you in your professional career.
Conversely, I frequently see students spending hours after class tutoring younger students struggling with material, the transition to med school, etc. I see constant reminders of why I joined this community. I choose to believe this describes the vast majority of each class, because I have spent time with many of these students over the past four years here.
Our school definitely encourages participation in the community experience of medical school. We treat each other like a family, and that feel comes in part from attending classes, to some degree. And if you anticipate that you are interested in a medical school experience that is largely self-directed, and would prefer to learn the material independently via pre-recorded lecture, this school is not a great fit for you.
That being said, there are times/courses that people prioritize learning at home vs. from class, and for those times, you do sacrifice the opportunity to earn an "honors" grade for the course, as that grade in part recognizes participation in class and the school community.
In my personal opinion, I found a 2-hour lunch break prime opportunity to work out (something I probably wouldn't have done otherwise), prepare for afternoon lectures, or review the morning lectures.
I'm unsure of the circumstances of the 7 departures from the m1 class; I would love to hear more about how their journeys led them away from medical school. But assuming that those decisions were for the best for them independently, I support them wholeheartedly.
Note regarding grades: for m1/2 years, yes [H/P/F]. m3/4 is different (and arguably more important)!
Regarding the class ranking system:
Ranking is something that unfortunately is required of all residency applicants. Each residency program can choose how they value class rank in their decision-making process, and in no way is obligated to share that algorithm with potential applicants. There is a document provided by the NRMP that surveys program directors in each specialty to talk about what they care about, but this data is aggregated, not school-specific (google "nrmp program director survey 2016"). So each school does this differently, with numeric ranking being the most "extreme" end of that spectrum.
OUWB is on the other end, where we only rank people into quartiles. Very minimal. I have never witnessed a student deliberately sabotaging another for the sake of quartile ranking. I would recommend again, that if that is how you anticipate going forward in medicine, this school will not be a good fit for you. Additionally, you may find that this attitude brings about trouble for you in your professional career.
Conversely, I frequently see students spending hours after class tutoring younger students struggling with material, the transition to med school, etc. I see constant reminders of why I joined this community. I choose to believe this describes the vast majority of each class, because I have spent time with many of these students over the past four years here.
